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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

By your own claim you were broadening the context to the entire continent, all Muslims, and “the rest of the Western world.” Making jumps like that will necessitate a few more steps for a sound argument.

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This is true. I keep thinking that other people are aware of the same things of which I am aware. When I mentioned vast demographic, cultural and social changes and when I said it’s not just Islam I was alluding to this.[/quote]

You are literally arguing that Europe has been “destroyed.” Anyone, but especially an “outsider,” would need to back up this claim quite a bit, regardless of what the readers are aware of.

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[quote]Bambi wrote:

I’ve worked in several volunteering centres - youth centres, run some sports teams, done some work getting Pakistani communities to swim because the percentage who can is well below the national average, helped coach one or two to get English GCSEs and basic language skills and I have seen little that is out of the ordinary. Yes you have the old ‘problem’ family who declare anything they like ‘unislamic’ but apart from the hijabs some of the girls wore (which only covers the hair not the face) I experienced little difference. I was at no point by any family apart from one criticised for being mixed race (I’m half Italian and quite dark in the summer) and not professing any religion.

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The UK has the largest Pakistani population outside Pakistan. They never used to be a problem. In fact, as you are probably aware there was a past-time known as Paki punching. Regardless of you not experiencing “anything out of the ordinary” - beyond what you then go on to acknowledge - many people are speaking openly about this huge problem:

Bishop of Rochester Michael Nazir-Ali, who grew up in Pakistan where he suffered harassment for his own Christian faith, warned of no-go areas in Britain and spoke of “a worldwide resurgence of the ideology of Islamic extremism.”

Farzana Ali spent a lot of time watching local Muslim channels in the days following the murder(of Salmaan Taseer.) “The media played a large role in the response here in London,” she says. Local Muslim channels largely promoted the view that Salmaan Taseer was to blame for his own murder, she explains. “Lots of people here supported the killing,” she says.

Khwaja Ahmed Ali, a car dealer originally from Lahore and living in Britain for the last 19 years “He deserved to be punished for what he said, what happened was right and good.”

A crowd gathers outside the mosque and all the men agree that Taseer’s murder was justified. “No-one has the right to change Shariah law,” says another namazi. “We consider it a crime to even talk about it.”

“If he called it a “kala qanoon’” then it was right to kill him” says Allah Ditta, who has lived in this community for many years. “The government failed to take action so it became the duty of individuals to do so.”

A Pakistani Christian who has lived here for some 20 years discovered his Muslim friends were not moderate. “They were overwhelmingly in favour of the murder,” he says, adding, “It was quite an eye-opener.”

Working class “deprived?” I didn’t realise that class existed anymore anywhere in the Western world.

No not one or two. Tanzeen Ahmad - In England, more than 50 per cent of British Pakistanis marry their cousins and in cities like Bradford the figure is an astonishing 75 per cent. Which begs the question, why are you claiming it’s “one or two” and attempting to minimise it…

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

You are literally arguing that Europe has been “destroyed.” Anyone, but especially an “outsider,” would need to back up this claim quite a bit, regardless of what the readers are aware of. [/quote]

If you can’t see the significance of mass immigration and the demographic, cultural and societal changes that have utterly transformed every Western country on earth over the last half a century then all I can tell you is that it goes way beyond the scope of this thread.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Working class “deprived?” I didn’t realise that class existed anymore anywhere in the Western world.

No not one or two. Tanzeen Ahmad - In England, more than 50 per cent of British Pakistanis marry their cousins and in cities like Bradford the figure is an astonishing 75 per cent. Which begs the question, why are you claiming it’s “one or two” and attempting to minimise it…[/quote]

Read my quotation again - I said one or two go back to PAKISTAN to marry their cousins. I said nothing about whom people are marrying here - I know of people who’ve married cousins but from my experience I wouldn’t say its 50%

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[quote]jonzy91 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
To highlight the epidemic of Pakistani and other ‘certain cultural group’ rape gangs in the U.K. and the rest of the Western world.

I was also wanting to draw attention to the Islamisation of Europe and the vast cultural, social and demographic changes that have destroyed Europe in a generation.

Why do you ask florelius?[/quote]

Okay, I’ll bite since I have some procrastination to do…

I grew up (and live) in a Scandinavian country, in a suburb to a major city. A large share of the population in my hometown are immigrants and Muslims. I went to school with, played sports with, partied with and now work with Muslims. Let me tell you this: they are for the most part (as in 95% of them) like everybody else in the Western world. They want a good job, a family and a nice play to live. Period.

Using an example of gang rape, by some people who happened to be Muslim, as a way to depict the cultural influences of Islam is absolutely atrocious. The equivalent would be, for me to claim that Catholics’ are inherently pedophile since their Priests are fond of small boys (an atrocious claim btw, just to be clear). Both are examples of very poor argumentation. Let’s keep that out the discussion.

Are there Muslims who work against western culture (politically)? Sure. But extremists are part of every religion across the world. There are extremist Christians, extremist Hindus and extremist Sun-Worshippers for all I know. These people should not be used to describe any religious group (as in my example above). In fact, and this might come as a surprise to most Americans, most Muslims are quite conservative and free-market oriented. They believe in hard work and family values.

Are Muslims perfect? Heck no! For me, however, the largest problem is the alarming silence of the moderate Muslims. Often extremists are left unchallenged and this leaves people with the wrong impression of what most practicing Muslims are really like. It could be argued that the silence of the moderate Muslims is simply consent, but from my experience this is simply not the case. [/quote]

Your claim that the so called extremists are only a tiny minority is contradicted by the outcome of the recent elections in Egypt. When the muslim brotherhood and salafists can get over two thirds of the vote it proves that theirs is not in the minority point of view.

Mass immigration from places like Egypt means that small countries like Norway that are getting flooded are going to increasingly start to look like Egypt. There is no way they can maintain their culture on their present course.

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I don’t care what culture, ethnicity, religion you are. This shit is fucking disgusting.

If someone lined these rapists in front of me I would personally castrate these motherfuckers and then light them on fire. Some people need to burn.

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Although what OP is saying has traces of Islamophobia… Islam is not in good state right now. All religions have extremism, but extremism in Islam is NOT a small minority. It might not be the majority but it is a significant minority. Which is ironic because in the middle ages Islam was known for being the most tolerant of the Abrahamic religions…

EDIT: I felt I should add that although I classify myself as a democrat… pansy ass liberals who are worried about constantly offending people need to shut the fuck up. You’re the ones who give democrats the wussy persona.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
Mass immigration from places like Egypt means that small countries like Norway that are getting flooded are going to increasingly start to look like Egypt. There is no way they can maintain their culture on their present course. [/quote]

I live in Norway and it is still not anything close to Egypt, even after 40years of immigration from pakistan, the middle-east and other third world countrys. Many of the original immigrants children are probably more influenced by norwegian culture than we( etnich norwegians ) are influenced by pakistani, middle-eastern culture. In other words typical western sentiments of liberal and socialist thought are stronger in Norway than in many other western countrys. Ergo I am not worried that my country will turn into “Egypt” or “Pakistan”.

Also the % of immigrants from muslim countrys are not as High as many think, I think that most immigrants in Norway are from Sweden and other northern europeen countrys. ( I will try to find some sources for this claim, but are to tired to do that now )

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[quote]florelius wrote:
…typical western sentiments of liberal and socialist thought are stronger in Norway than in many other western countrys.

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That’s the problem. Liberals and Socialists in your country and elsewhere are complicit in genocide.

Since 1970, the immigrant population from Nordic countries and Western Europe has increased from around 50,000 to around 120,000. In the same time frame the immigrant population from outside these regions has increased from barely anything to more than 420,000 (137,572 from Eastern Europe, and 284,246 from Asia, Africa and South America). During the course of the first four-year term of the ruling Red-Green Coalition government (2005-2009), the immigrant population of Norway increased by 41 percent, or 143,300 persons. From 2000 to 2010, 510,748 persons received permanent residence permits.

The police conducted a report that shows, of all the rapes committed in Oslo since 2004, ALL 344 rapes where committed by Muslim immigrants.

Statistics show that crime has increased by 400% since 1975, about the time immigration on a large scale began.

1/3 of all persons in Norwegian prisons are muslims, even though they consist of only 10.6% of the entire population

'For years, the Norwegian government and cultural establishment have striven to communicate to even the most extreme elements of international Islam that they want to be friends. They’ve shown their good faith in a number of ways:

  • They’ve made a great show of treating Jews very shabbily. Jostein Gaarder, author of the international bestseller Sophie’s World, published an op-ed a few years back declaring his contempt for Israel and the Jewish people. When Gaarder came in for some criticism, many high-profile members of the Norwegian cultural elite rushed to stand shoulder to shoulder with him. If the cultural elite in Norway is more anti-Semitic than its counterparts in any other country in Europe, it has a great deal to do with the recognition that the more you like the Jews, the more you’ll antagonize the Muslims.

  • They’ve been extremely gentle with Mullah Krekar, Norway’s resident terrorist. While some government officials have (admirably) labored to get the founder of Ansar al-Islam returned to his native Iraq, the system has repeatedly protected him, allowing him to stay in a very nice flat in Oslo, where he is supported by the state. Over the years the Norwegian media have churned out countless profiles of this murderous, child-torturing monster, invariably depicting him as a charming, grandfatherly type and allowing him plenty of space to bash the United States.

  • They’ve squelched criticism of Islam. In January 2006, Vebjorn Selbekk, editor of a small evangelical publication called Magazinet, reprinted the Danish Muhammed cartoons - and sent the Norwegian establishment into a tailspin. Politicians at the very highest level pressured Selbekk to apologize for his offense. He withstood admirably - for a while - but eventually buckled, and on February 10, 2006, appeared before a gathering of Norwegian imams and begged their forgiveness for having exercised his freedom of speech. Top government officials looked on in satisfaction, and a delegation led by a bishop of the Church of Norway traveled to Yemen to deliver the happy tidings of this capitulation to the theologian widely viewed as the closest thing to a Muslim pope, Yusuf al-Qaradawi.

  • They’ve dropped displays of Islamic totalitarianism down the memory hole. Two years ago, on two separate nights, a small army of Norwegian Muslim youths rioted in the heart of Oslo, turning a usually placid quarter into something reminiscent of Sarajevo or Beirut at their worst. The alleged motive for this explosion of violence was displeasure over the situation in Gaza; the real intention was to mount a display of power - to intimidate, and to communicate to Norway that their time had come, and that they had better be listened to with respect, or else. And in February of last year, another small army of Muslims, this time not rioting boys but sullen-looking men in long coats and full beards, gathered in downtown Oslo, in the same square where Vidkun Quisling once held his Nazi rallies, and listened with apparent pleasure while a young speaker named Mohyeldeen Mohammed threatened Norway with its own 9/11. Both of these events came and went, and the people who make decisions about this sort of thing plainly decided that it would be best to pretend that they had never happened.

  • They’ve openly supported terrorist groups. In the last few days, one of the major stories out of Norway has been the declaration by Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store of his country’s support for the effort by Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas to seek United Nations recognition of a Palestinian state. This stance scarcely came as a surprise, given the Norwegian government’s longstanding effort to “build bridges” to Hamas. It was Store, after all, who - when a couple of dozen Western diplomats walked out on a rabid anti-Israeli speech by Mahmoud Ahmedinejad at the 2009 UN conference on racism - was the only Westerner who chose to stay and hear him out.

  • And the way they’ve talked to Norwegian Muslims about Islamist terrorism has been - well, consider this. A couple of years ago, when Jorn Holme, head of security services for the Norwegian police, showed up at a meeting sponsored by the Muslim Students Association, supposedly to discuss terrorism, surveillance, and the Muslim community, his main goal seemed to be to bond with the Muslims in attendance by putting down ethnic Norwegians (who, he said, were “too stupid to understand that there is no connection” between Islam and terrorism) as well as white American Christians (“In the United States in the sixties,” he told the audience, “blacks were raped by whites who went to church the next day”). Holme called the United State “human-rights-violation-country number one” and said that his greatest fear, when he contemplated a possible terrorist act in Norway, was that such an act would inflame anti-Muslim prejudice.’ - Bruce Bawer

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

That’s the problem. Liberals and Socialists in your country and elsewhere are complicit in genocide. [/quote]

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]jonzy91 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
To highlight the epidemic of Pakistani and other ‘certain cultural group’ rape gangs in the U.K. and the rest of the Western world.

I was also wanting to draw attention to the Islamisation of Europe and the vast cultural, social and demographic changes that have destroyed Europe in a generation.

Why do you ask florelius?[/quote]

Okay, I’ll bite since I have some procrastination to do…

I grew up (and live) in a Scandinavian country, in a suburb to a major city. A large share of the population in my hometown are immigrants and Muslims. I went to school with, played sports with, partied with and now work with Muslims. Let me tell you this: they are for the most part (as in 95% of them) like everybody else in the Western world. They want a good job, a family and a nice play to live. Period.

Using an example of gang rape, by some people who happened to be Muslim, as a way to depict the cultural influences of Islam is absolutely atrocious. The equivalent would be, for me to claim that Catholics’ are inherently pedophile since their Priests are fond of small boys (an atrocious claim btw, just to be clear). Both are examples of very poor argumentation. Let’s keep that out the discussion.

Are there Muslims who work against western culture (politically)? Sure. But extremists are part of every religion across the world. There are extremist Christians, extremist Hindus and extremist Sun-Worshippers for all I know. These people should not be used to describe any religious group (as in my example above). In fact, and this might come as a surprise to most Americans, most Muslims are quite conservative and free-market oriented. They believe in hard work and family values.

Are Muslims perfect? Heck no! For me, however, the largest problem is the alarming silence of the moderate Muslims. Often extremists are left unchallenged and this leaves people with the wrong impression of what most practicing Muslims are really like. It could be argued that the silence of the moderate Muslims is simply consent, but from my experience this is simply not the case. [/quote]

Your claim that the so called extremists are only a tiny minority is contradicted by the outcome of the recent elections in Egypt. When the muslim brotherhood and salafists can get over two thirds of the vote it proves that theirs is not in the minority point of view.

Mass immigration from places like Egypt means that small countries like Norway that are getting flooded are going to increasingly start to look like Egypt. There is no way they can maintain their culture on their present course. [/quote]

Yes and no.

The fact that the Muslim Brotherhood and the salafists received large vote shares isn’t simply a function of religion. Their biggest advantage in the elections where that they were not Mubarak and that they helped overthrow his regime. Moreover, it is my understanding that the parties with strong religious ties in the middle east often run of ‘leftist’ platforms and when your country is in utter turmoil that attracts a lot of voters. So the view of the recent elections you present is quite simplified.

That being said, I was somewhat surprised by the results of those elections as the results were not consistent with the image of Egyptians I’ve got from here.

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Upon deep reflexion I came to the conclusion that the arab world and the arab culture suck and that humanity would be way better without them.

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Upon deep reflexion I came to the conclusion that the arab world and the arab culture suck and that humanity would be way better without them. [/quote]

So whats your FINAL SOLUTION to rid the world of this semitic people and culture?

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[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Mass immigration from places like Egypt means that small countries like Norway that are getting flooded are going to increasingly start to look like Egypt. There is no way they can maintain their culture on their present course. [/quote]

I live in Norway and it is still not anything close to Egypt, even after 40years of immigration from pakistan, the middle-east and other third world countrys. Many of the original immigrants children are probably more influenced by norwegian culture than we( etnich norwegians ) are influenced by pakistani, middle-eastern culture. In other words typical western sentiments of liberal and socialist thought are stronger in Norway than in many other western countrys. Ergo I am not worried that my country will turn into “Egypt” or “Pakistan”.

Also the % of immigrants from muslim countrys are not as High as many think, I think that most immigrants in Norway are from Sweden and other northern europeen countrys. ( I will try to find some sources for this claim, but are to tired to do that now )

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The figures I have seen would seem to contradict what you are telling us. It is my understanding that in the last 21 years Oslo has gone from having a very small non Nordic immigrant population to 29 percent is now immigrant. That is a very rapid and massive change. At that rate in less than 20 years Norwegians are going to be a minority in their biggest city.
Yet you say you are not concerned about it.

The lack of concern is precisely what makes the present course your country is on so dangerous. You are rushing headlong into a massive change which could mean the death of your culture. But nobody cares because you just take it for granted that it won’t happen to Norway. Why won’t it happen to Norway? What makes Norway different?

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[quote]jonzy91 wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]jonzy91 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
To highlight the epidemic of Pakistani and other ‘certain cultural group’ rape gangs in the U.K. and the rest of the Western world.

I was also wanting to draw attention to the Islamisation of Europe and the vast cultural, social and demographic changes that have destroyed Europe in a generation.

Why do you ask florelius?[/quote]

Okay, I’ll bite since I have some procrastination to do…

I grew up (and live) in a Scandinavian country, in a suburb to a major city. A large share of the population in my hometown are immigrants and Muslims. I went to school with, played sports with, partied with and now work with Muslims. Let me tell you this: they are for the most part (as in 95% of them) like everybody else in the Western world. They want a good job, a family and a nice play to live. Period.

Using an example of gang rape, by some people who happened to be Muslim, as a way to depict the cultural influences of Islam is absolutely atrocious. The equivalent would be, for me to claim that Catholics’ are inherently pedophile since their Priests are fond of small boys (an atrocious claim btw, just to be clear). Both are examples of very poor argumentation. Let’s keep that out the discussion.

Are there Muslims who work against western culture (politically)? Sure. But extremists are part of every religion across the world. There are extremist Christians, extremist Hindus and extremist Sun-Worshippers for all I know. These people should not be used to describe any religious group (as in my example above). In fact, and this might come as a surprise to most Americans, most Muslims are quite conservative and free-market oriented. They believe in hard work and family values.

Are Muslims perfect? Heck no! For me, however, the largest problem is the alarming silence of the moderate Muslims. Often extremists are left unchallenged and this leaves people with the wrong impression of what most practicing Muslims are really like. It could be argued that the silence of the moderate Muslims is simply consent, but from my experience this is simply not the case. [/quote]

Your claim that the so called extremists are only a tiny minority is contradicted by the outcome of the recent elections in Egypt. When the muslim brotherhood and salafists can get over two thirds of the vote it proves that theirs is not in the minority point of view.

Mass immigration from places like Egypt means that small countries like Norway that are getting flooded are going to increasingly start to look like Egypt. There is no way they can maintain their culture on their present course. [/quote]

Yes and no.

The fact that the Muslim Brotherhood and the salafists received large vote shares isn’t simply a function of religion. Their biggest advantage in the elections where that they were not Mubarak and that they helped overthrow his regime. Moreover, it is my understanding that the parties with strong religious ties in the middle east often run of ‘leftist’ platforms and when your country is in utter turmoil that attracts a lot of voters. So the view of the recent elections you present is quite simplified.

That being said, I was somewhat surprised by the results of those elections as the results were not consistent with the image of Egyptians I’ve got from here.
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Why would it surprise you that the Egyptians would turn to Salafists? This is a country where ninety percent of women and girls have been victims of genital mutilation. The image you have been given is not a truth because they keep that hidden from outsiders.

It is a practice they are exporting to Britain

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[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Upon deep reflexion I came to the conclusion that the arab world and the arab culture suck and that humanity would be way better without them. [/quote]

So whats your FINAL SOLUTION to rid the world of this semitic people and culture?

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Typical last resort of a European socialist who has lost the argument. Characterize those who disagree with you as Nazi’s.

What is truly sad is that you don’t see the irony in what you have posted. An Arab, The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is the one who got Hitler to exterminate the Jews in exchange for the Mufti recruiting Arab and Yugoslavian muslims to join the Waffen SS. The Arabic translation of Mein Kampf is still a widely sold book in the Arab world. The final solution was inspired by the genocide in Turkey that the muslim Turks committed against their Christian Armenian minority.

Yet when jasmincar expresses her distaste for their Nazi ways you try to characterize her as a Nazi. Is that some twisted shit or what?

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@sifu

Sorry dude, but nobody are fooled by the twisting of words and definitions by you islamophobes and anti-arabs.
Its obvious to the sane populus that you lot are a racist and dangerous group in the political landscape. Actually the most horrible terror attack in my country was commited by a islamophobe. So please take your racist ideology and leave it the fuck a way from me.

If I had said the same thing about jewish people or black people that jasmincar just said about arab people, people would have called me a racist and rightly so.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Upon deep reflexion I came to the conclusion that the arab world and the arab culture suck and that humanity would be way better without them. [/quote]

So whats your FINAL SOLUTION to rid the world of this semitic people and culture?

[/quote]

Typical last resort of a European socialist who has lost the argument. Characterize those who disagree with you as Nazi’s.

What is truly sad is that you don’t see the irony in what you have posted. An Arab, The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is the one who got Hitler to exterminate the Jews in exchange for the Mufti recruiting Arab and Yugoslavian muslims to join the Waffen SS. The Arabic translation of Mein Kampf is still a widely sold book in the Arab world. The final solution was inspired by the genocide in Turkey that the muslim Turks committed against their Christian Armenian minority.

Yet when jasmincar expresses her distaste for their Nazi ways you try to characterize her as a Nazi. Is that some twisted shit or what? [/quote]

Indeed, since “the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is the one who got Hitlet to exterminate the Jews in exchange for the Mufti recruiting Arab and Yugoslavian muslims to join the Waffen SS” (!), we should not speak about a “final solution” here.

So, what’s your solution about the arab world and the Arab culture sucking so much that “humanity would be better without them” ?

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[quote]florelius wrote:
@sifu

Sorry dude, but nobody are fooled by the twisting of words and definitions by you islamophobes and anti-arabs.
Its obvious to the sane populus that you lot are a racist and dangerous group in the political landscape. Actually the most horrible terror attack in my country was commited by a islamophobe. So please take your racist ideology and leave it the fuck a way from me.

If I had said the same thing about jewish people or black people that jasmincar just said about arab people, people would have called me a racist and rightly so.

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Some of my best friends, who I have lived with are Lebanese. Have you ever shared your home with Arabs? Have you ever lived in a neighborhood that was so over run by muslims that you were very much in the minority? I have.

I am not going to let your calling me an islamaphobe go unchallenged because it a slander that is insulting and untrue. This is what a phobia is.

A phobia (from the Greek: Ï?Ï?βοÏ?, Phóbos, meaning “fear” or “morbid fear”) is, when used in the context of clinical psychology, a type of anxiety disorder, usually defined as a persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed, often being recognized as irrational.

I have taken the time to study islam and it’s history. I don’t agree with it. That is a conscious decision that I have every right to make. Having studied the history I can see a lot to be concerned about. Muslims say mohamad was the perfect man, who lived the perfect life. Yet if you read their history of his life it turns out he violated most if not all of the Nuremburg principles and committed multiple acts of crimes against humanity.

If anyone is dangerous in the political landscape it is European socialists. Your megalomaniacal lust for power and control knows no limits. You think that by importing large numbers of muslims you can gerrymander yourself into permanent control. But you are playing with fire because you are not going to be able to control them and mold them to your liking. Your arrogance is going to get everyone burned.

A basic but indispensable rule of human interaction is boundary setting. In order to safely interact with others so we don’t get hurt we must set healthy boundaries. This applies not just to individuals but also to nations. ie. The national boundary known as the Norwegian border has been opened by socialists who like you are “not worried” about who they are letting in and how they could change the society for the worse.

You know what you are doing is indefensible so instead of engage in debate about the merits of what you are doing and listen to criticism you use accusations of mental issues or racism to either bully critics into silence or to justify ignoring them as you are doing here. That is why you created a Brevik, because you will not listen.

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[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Upon deep reflexion I came to the conclusion that the arab world and the arab culture suck and that humanity would be way better without them. [/quote]

So whats your FINAL SOLUTION to rid the world of this semitic people and culture?

[/quote]

Typical last resort of a European socialist who has lost the argument. Characterize those who disagree with you as Nazi’s.

What is truly sad is that you don’t see the irony in what you have posted. An Arab, The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is the one who got Hitler to exterminate the Jews in exchange for the Mufti recruiting Arab and Yugoslavian muslims to join the Waffen SS. The Arabic translation of Mein Kampf is still a widely sold book in the Arab world. The final solution was inspired by the genocide in Turkey that the muslim Turks committed against their Christian Armenian minority.

Yet when jasmincar expresses her distaste for their Nazi ways you try to characterize her as a Nazi. Is that some twisted shit or what? [/quote]

Indeed, since “the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is the one who got Hitlet to exterminate the Jews in exchange for the Mufti recruiting Arab and Yugoslavian muslims to join the Waffen SS” (!), we should not speak about a “final solution” here.

So, what’s your solution about the arab world and the Arab culture sucking so much that “humanity would be better without them” ? [/quote]

My solution would be a policy of live and let live. They have their part of the world, we have ours and we keep it that way through a policy of containment. We set a healthy boundary for ourselves. Right now there are no defined boundaries. There is no defined end point at which the politicians have said no further.

In country after country the Arabs and other muslims cannot get their own house in order. Under those circumstances it makes no sense to bring millions upon millions of muslims into western europe and grant them citizenship so they can do the same thing to europe that they have done to everyone else. Otherwise Christian Europe is going to suffer the same fate as the mono-theistic Zaroastrian Persians after they allowed muslims to move into their homeland.

The Iranians persecute the hell out of the Zaroastor’s. There is no gratitude for how nice the Zaroastors were when muslims first started immigrating. If they had nipped it in the bud they would not be in the mess they are in now.