[quote]UAphenix wrote:
[quote]arramzy wrote:
[quote]UAphenix wrote:
I know you found these videos quick, but I’ve seen way more hard to touch shirted benches where once it did, the weight flew up and benches that are easy to touch and are slow or missed lifts than the other way around.
The best way to describe rowing into the support is think about rowing into a beach ball, if you row into the middle you will get a ton of support. The shirt will try and force the bar towards your feet or over your face to take the path of least resistance so the bar will go around the outside of the beach ball. Your job is to stay in the shirt and row into where it’s hardest. If you can do that, you will get the most pop from the shirt. If you don’t you won’t get anything out of the shirt when you touch your chest and go to reverse. [/quote]
I appreciate what you are saying regarding putting the shirt in the path of greatest resistance. That concept should be obvious to anyone who has ever put on a shit… But the thing to remember is that this is a single ply poly shirt. That f6 in that video was not even particularily tight so the bar should come down that easily if you have decent back strength and technique. I don’t understand how you could say I was out of the ‘groove’ as the bar was high enough to pass IPF standards and it sure as hell wasn’t higher on my chest than the groove.
I am interested in what you are explaining just not convinced. Based on those videos, could you explain how I am not hitting the groove? Are my elbows out of position, too tucked/flared? Is the bar high or low? Am I pressing too straight or too J? Whatever it is you see I would love to hear becase potentially it could make a difference.[/quote]
You can see on the last two attempts of the second video that you keep coming down at an angle, even at chest. The last inch or so should be straight into the chest where the greatest support is. A shirted bench movement should start going straight down for the first couple inches to set the shirt and pull the slack out of it. Then come down at an angle as you tuck your elbows. The final couple of inches are straight in to where the support is greatest, you keep going towards your feet.
The other things I see is at the start of the lift the person lifting you off isn’t allowing you to tighten your back once the weight is over your face. Once they hand it off to you, you don’t really settle at all. Squeezing your back together and letting the weight settle you into the bench will take a couple inches off the movement. You also start to far over your chest and have nowhere to go but more and more towards your feet. Start higher up over your face, it’s where you are finishing so why not start there. Another thing I see is you aren’t tucking much, you appear to almost be raw benching the weight keeping your elbows out, as you lower the weight try tucking more. On the reverse, I would like it if you drifted more to your face, the lockout would be easier and that transition looks like where you’re stalling. From looking at the one video, that’s what I see. You can’t really see form from behind the rack in the first video.
If the F6 isn’t tight you should have someone around that can tighten it up if you set it properly. Saying the shirts are only single ply isn’t really work as they give a ton of support these days. A lot of guys that I used to train with liked the single ply shirts better than most of the double ply because they gave a ton of support and also you got more pop and lockout strength than with the multiply that they had previously been using. Hope that helps. [/quote]
Thats really fantastic. Thanks so much for all of this! I will definitely keep this in mind next time I shirt up. After watching the video I can really see these things happening. Thanks again.