Why do these guys base products on 2000 calorie diet? My eight yearold cousin eats more than that. And since so many people are obese, wouldn’t it be smart to raise percentages to what people actually eat? Anotha thing: slim fast… w h a t t h e HELL! I have seen the labels for at least 3 of their products and one of the first ingredients is sugar. How are these guys still in business???
FDA loves carbs everyone should be eat 4000grams a day, but they must remain under the 2000 calories. They suck
Not everyone is the same. Not everyone eats the same amount of food. So how do you suggest they revise the %'s?
[quote]elusive wrote:
Not everyone is the same. Not everyone eats the same amount of food. So how do you suggest they revise the %'s?[/quote]
By increaing there RDV of overall calories. Is 2000 an average? I guess that would makes sense.
[quote]Stength4life wrote:
elusive wrote:
Not everyone is the same. Not everyone eats the same amount of food. So how do you suggest they revise the %'s?
By increaing there RDV of overall calories. Is 2000 an average? I guess that would makes sense. [/quote]
Perhaps if it were the average for all mammals.
FDA? BWAAAAHAAAHAAAAHHAAAAHHHHHHH!
2000 is perfectly fine -_-
2000 calories is probably ok for the majority of american males (i.e. sedentary and not carrying much muscle mass and most likely overfat or obese) since the BMR for a 6’ 200 pound male = approx 2,000 cals (I know this is a gross oversimplifacation, but it probably works for the majority of the population), and is probably too high for the majority of american females.
[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
2000 calories is probably ok for the majority of american males (i.e. sedentary and not carrying much muscle mass and most likely overfat or obese) since the BMR for a 6’ 200 pound male = approx 2,000 cals (I know this is a gross oversimplifacation, but it probably works for the majority of the population), and is probably too high for the majority of american females.[/quote]
Thanks for thinking like a rational human being, unlike the other fruit cakes on this board who don’t acknowledge or just don’t know that 99.99% of the world’s population - you know, the ones with sedentary jobs and exercise a small to modest amount - don’t give a shit about bodybuilding and don’t require 4,000+ kcals and 300+ grams of protein.
Quite a bit of research and work went into formulating the DRVs, RDIs, DRIs, RDAs, AIs, and UTIs to see how much individual nutrients should be consumed to maintain a minimum standard of health.
But then again, what do nutrition scientists and RDs know? They’re not concerned with 20-inch guns and don’t look jacked in the slightest. Therefore, we can’t turn to them for drumming up any sort of nutrition standards.
Of course it’s silly to people like us. Cause were the minority in the whole shabang. When you’re eating 3000-4000+ to gain weight, it wouldn’t make sense to revise anything. We are the anomalies.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
Of course it’s silly to people like us. Cause were the minority in the whole shabang. When you’re eating 3000-4000+ to gain weight, it wouldn’t make sense to revise anything. We are the anomalies.[/quote]
Right! It doesn’t apply; so criticizing these guidelines makes no sense.
Everytime I check on this thread I think of this guy
Think of what guy?
Honestly, the generalizations of any kind are pretty dangerous. My girlfriend, being tiny as shit, should not eat 2000 cals a day. It’d probably turn her into a sphere lol. But if I ate 200 cals a day, aside from being extremely hungry, I’d probably lose a gross amount of weight.
This is almost exactly what waldo said, I just added my own personal experience lol.
On a side note, I had a meal the other day that was about 1800 cals. It was legs day though, those cals were put to use before I ate them haha
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Think of what guy?[/quote]
[quote]BJammin wrote:
Honestly, the generalizations of any kind are pretty dangerous. My girlfriend, being tiny as shit, should not eat 2000 cals a day. It’d probably turn her into a sphere lol. But if I ate 200 cals a day, aside from being extremely hungry, I’d probably lose a gross amount of weight.
This is almost exactly what waldo said, I just added my own personal experience lol.
On a side note, I had a meal the other day that was about 1800 cals. It was legs day though, those cals were put to use before I ate them haha[/quote]
So we shouldn’t have GENERAL guidelines to show people how to POSSIBLY achieve a minimal nutrition status for optimal health and functioning?
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
BJammin wrote:
Honestly, the generalizations of any kind are pretty dangerous. My girlfriend, being tiny as shit, should not eat 2000 cals a day. It’d probably turn her into a sphere lol. But if I ate 200 cals a day, aside from being extremely hungry, I’d probably lose a gross amount of weight.
This is almost exactly what waldo said, I just added my own personal experience lol.
On a side note, I had a meal the other day that was about 1800 cals. It was legs day though, those cals were put to use before I ate them haha
So we shouldn’t have GENERAL guidelines to show people how to POSSIBLY achieve a minimal nutrition status for optimal health and functioning?[/quote]
I think it’s just not as easy as it could be. While the FDA DOES make an effort to try and help to promote healthy lifestyles, why not try something differently? If what they were doing seemed to have any impact on the general public it wouldn’t matter, but look at how obesity percentages are increasing anually. I think some people, (including the FDA themselves,) underestimate how much power they really have. If they were more informative then who would need a dietician to tell them how many grams of protein they needed daily? It’s ridiculous; the difference between what can be done and what is being done. Now I know you might be thinking, “It sounds like your just helping the overweight and obese blame it on someone other then themselves.” THe fact is it is their faults, (in most cases,) but if everything they ate was 100% to the bone honest about it’s containings, (this means no loopholes!) and then there was something that could further clarify if the person REALLY needed it, we might see some changes. Maybe not even that, just some sort of change. I just feel as though more can be done.
A couple things to think about:
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Everyone one is different, and if the “average” american really cared about their eating habits, they could easily figure out their indavidual needs (hell even the FDA has a calorie requirement calculator on their site).
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The “average” american doesn’t know or care how many calories, grams of protein, ect. they eat in day, and they couldn’t even ballpark it if they tried.
My point being - why waste more goverment money on something the majority of people ignore anyway? There are tons of free tools already out there for the people who do care (all you need is a little interweb).
Look, perhaps I’m biased because I’m a registered dietitian myself and have degrees in nutrition. I also don’t want to come across as some pompous know-it-all.
However, you two, I believe, are coming across from a very narrow point of view and have not considered ALL of the socioeconomic and psychological factors contributing to rising poor health and obesity statistics. I think, ff you were through enough academic and professional education as I’ve been, you two would see what I mean.
Pick up the book Food Politics by the dietitian Dr. Marion Nestle (featured in Super Size Me) if you really want to get a lowdown on the socioeconomic background of the food industry.
[quote]Stength4life wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
BJammin wrote:
Honestly, the generalizations of any kind are pretty dangerous. My girlfriend, being tiny as shit, should not eat 2000 cals a day. It’d probably turn her into a sphere lol. But if I ate 200 cals a day, aside from being extremely hungry, I’d probably lose a gross amount of weight.
This is almost exactly what waldo said, I just added my own personal experience lol.
On a side note, I had a meal the other day that was about 1800 cals. It was legs day though, those cals were put to use before I ate them haha
So we shouldn’t have GENERAL guidelines to show people how to POSSIBLY achieve a minimal nutrition status for optimal health and functioning?
I think it’s just not as easy as it could be. While the FDA DOES make an effort to try and help to promote healthy lifestyles, why not try something differently? If what they were doing seemed to have any impact on the general public it wouldn’t matter, but look at how obesity percentages are increasing anually. I think some people, (including the FDA themselves,) underestimate how much power they really have. If they were more informative then who would need a dietician to tell them how many grams of protein they needed daily? It’s ridiculous; the difference between what can be done and what is being done. Now I know you might be thinking, “It sounds like your just helping the overweight and obese blame it on someone other then themselves.” THe fact is it is their faults, (in most cases,) but if everything they ate was 100% to the bone honest about it’s containings,(this means no loopholes!) and then there was something that could further clarify if the person REALLY needed it, we might see some changes. Maybe not even that, just some sort of change. I just feel as though more can be done.[/quote]
I don’t understand how more honest can they get about the containings? I find out everything I need everytime I’m doing a quick skim of profiles. Unless you’re illiterate you shouldn’t have a problem.
Yeah like more people need to be guided by their hands through shit like some sort of little child. It’s a freakin’ baseline and if you have common sense as a person just wanting to be healthy and fit looking. It really doesn’t take that much to adjust this “baseline” by not much.
To try and tailor this more would just turn into a mess. It’s just a general guideline and should just be left at that. I think a lot of people have run into those people who no matter how much info and studies is put infront of their face. THEY WILL NOT CHANGE anything about their eating habits, lifestyle. This is a large majority of people sadly.
It seems as if most need a rude awakening (some sort of health risk) before it comes to eating better and exercising.
You guys are overexaggerating the purpose of what the FDA has put into place, acting as if they said “This is exactly how much you have to eat”. Anyone from the FDA will tell you it’s nothing more then a reccommendation for the average person nothing more nothing less.
This thread is just silly (such a gay word) honestly.