Anyone do these? Iām thinking you could keep good upper back posture while doing these, and not protract your shoulders, which is what always happened when i tried to do upright rows in the days of my youth/stupidity
[quote]mr popular wrote:
I highly recommend DB side raises performed the way I talked about in the Alpha thread about shoulders. Look it up, it should be on or near the last page of the thread.[/quote]
Mr Pop- Are you talking about this Cutler video you posted in the Shoulders Roundtable thread? (Start at 6:22)
To my eye, these lat raises look almost like an upright row with the dbās but not with the ROM restriction of the bar (his hands are wider at top than at bottom and a little further to the side). [/quote]
yes, I do them almost exactly the way Cutler does in that video.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
I highly recommend DB side raises performed the way I talked about in the Alpha thread about shoulders. Look it up, it should be on or near the last page of the thread.[/quote]
Mr Pop- Are you talking about this Cutler video you posted in the Shoulders Roundtable thread? (Start at 6:22)
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To my eye, these lat raises look almost like an upright row with the dbās but not with the ROM restriction of the bar (his hands are wider at top than at bottom and a little further to the side). [/quote]
yes, I do them almost exactly the way Cutler does in that video.[/quote]
adding on, either do cables behind the back or keep a big chest, donāt lean forward, while doing DB laterals. leaning forward brings the movement into the traps and the medial head involvement is diminished.
behind the back cables forces a more upright position and therefore less trap involvement, it also decreases the use of momentum.
additionally most people do upright rows wrong, e.g. narrow grip and bring the weights above the nipple line. both actions are poor. if they must be done iād use an ezcurl bar w/ a wide grip and w/ a short range of motion.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
I highly recommend DB side raises performed the way I talked about in the Alpha thread about shoulders. Look it up, it should be on or near the last page of the thread.[/quote]
Mr Pop- Are you talking about this Cutler video you posted in the Shoulders Roundtable thread? (Start at 6:22)
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To my eye, these lat raises look almost like an upright row with the dbās but not with the ROM restriction of the bar (his hands are wider at top than at bottom and a little further to the side). [/quote]
yes, I do them almost exactly the way Cutler does in that video.[/quote]
Did these tonight as a finisher. Iām sold.[/quote]
You can use them as a finisher, but you will find that once you are comfortable with the form these can be a very effective mass-building āpowerā exercise for the shoulders - though I still recommend keeping them in a 10-15 rep range.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
What are these behind the back cable raises?[/quote]
Arguably the best non-machine movement for isolating the lateral delts. The ROM capability and constant tension cant be had with dumbells. And doing them in front makes it almost impossible to progress while still keeping the humerus pronated.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
I highly recommend DB side raises performed the way I talked about in the Alpha thread about shoulders. Look it up, it should be on or near the last page of the thread.[/quote]
Mr Pop- Are you talking about this Cutler video you posted in the Shoulders Roundtable thread? (Start at 6:22)
To my eye, these lat raises look almost like an upright row with the dbās but not with the ROM restriction of the bar (his hands are wider at top than at bottom and a little further to the side). [/quote]
yes, I do them almost exactly the way Cutler does in that video.[/quote]
I read that thread and started doing my laterals this way. Iām a fan.
[quote]anonym wrote:
Using a close grip on an EZ-bar with a slight forward lean, I can perform upright rows pain-free.
Something to consider, I suppose.[/quote]
Doesnāt seem that confusing. The e-z would help the wrist issues and leaning forward reduces the internal rotation (it moves in the direction of bent-over rowing which is good for shoulders I think) and risk of impingement would drop.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
What are these behind the back cable raises?[/quote]
A way to hit the middle delt while emphasizing use of the front-delt, lol. To avoid that, you should have the cable in front of you. Youāll even get some rear delt this way.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Arguably the best non-machine movement for isolating the lateral delts. The ROM capability and constant tension cant be had with dumbells. And doing them in front makes it almost impossible to progress while still keeping the humerus pronated. [/quote]
Hm, I think I follow you though. I had to first imagine what you meant by pronated humerus since I rarely see the term used that way, but I guess pronating the humerus is internal/medial rotation and supinating the humerus would mean external/lateral rotation.
BABY DO THE TWIST =)
So basically, if you have the cable behind you, if you start to supinate, the cable would probably hit your butt and stop you?
Still Iām not sure if it would good for the middle delt since the angle of pull would shift it to forward. Even if having the cable in front would make us more prone to lateral rotation, the angle would also help reduce front delt involvement right?
I believe in cable too for side laterals, UNLESS you start the movement very explosively with the DBs. Really launch! them from the low position.
My lateral delts sucked until I started doing them with cable, which really loads them at the start position (arms down). Lately, I realized that the reason DBs didnt work for me was that I was starting them slowly. Since the force vector is poor anyway at the start position, the muscle was hardly loaded there, when the muscle is stretched.
Still, I believe cables are better for this. try arms in front of the body instead of behind, could be gentler on your shoulders. just make sure the arm is never rotated backwards (keep the pinky-up rule).
A question, what is shelby laterals?. What i do for medial delts are seated db laterals and seated skip laterals,the seated version makes me feel the medial delts more and isolate them better and therefore stimulate/activate them more.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
What are these behind the back cable raises?[/quote]
Arguably the best non-machine movement for isolating the lateral delts. The ROM capability and constant tension cant be had with dumbells. And doing them in front makes it almost impossible to progress while still keeping the humerus pronated. [/quote]
I see this thread has been revived from like a year ago. for what its worth, i have found a pretty good solution after years of lateral raises with no results. I have been doing one arm side lateral raises laying on a situp bench sideways set at a 45 degree angle. I usually do a set of 12 with a heavier weight, and then after doing both sides immediately do another set of 12-15 using a weight about 10-15 lbs lighter until i burn em out. Do this 4 times and feel it more in my medial delts than anything else i have ever done. have seen some significant changes in my shoulders as well. Got the idea from watching a video of Kai train shoulders and been doing these every shoulder workout after shoulder press for the last 3 months now.
