If you really want to scratch your head, go to andrew_live ‘s personal info and check this out: 6’1’'/220? 10% bf?
SickAbz is cool with me. I would like to slip into some of that mush potpie that he calls his girls. Wrapped up, of course.
[quote]Michael C wrote:
If you really want to scratch your head, go to andrew_live ‘s personal info and check this out: 6’1’'/220? 10% bf?
[/quote]
At that height, 220 isn’t shit, and he would still look very skinny in pictures, unless he was some genetic freak. You should know that shorty.
EDIT:
No offense to anyone, I still look pretty skinny at 240 and an inch shorter than andrew…
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]demonthrall wrote:
I have to admit I just like following threads where people get called out. Like this.[/quote]
The only thing bad about this thread is we have to wait nearly 2 weeks before Sic Abzz pulls a no-show on Bodyguard. It’ll be interesting to see how that plays out. Bodyguard is typically ready to exterminate someone’s bloodline over minor critism on the internet. If he drives all the way out there and Abz doesn’t show up…?
Or, Abz does show up. It would be epic to see the look on the big guys face when Abz throws up 275 in his “warmup”. Tries to make it look easy and then feigns an injury and can’t go on. However it plays out, it won’t be good for Sic Abz. I think his days of posting on this site are numbered. That number being exactly 12 days.[/quote]
I’ve got no personal investment in it one way or the other. As a PL, I’m a fan of strength and I like to witness it. If he makes the lift, I’ll shake his hand, say I was wrong, say nice bench, and be on my way. I’ve already said, I don’t see the structure for that lift (raw) in his pics, but I could be wrong - they are pictures after all. And I have no real interest in driving up to his gym, but I’ll do it if T-Nation interest is sufficient.
Like I said, he can drive down to Camden and meet up at our gym this weekend to verify the lift if he chooses. Weekdays suck for me. If he wants to squat 400, I’ll film that too. I doubt both lifts. I’m not going to outright call him a liar, but I’m a skeptic like many here.
Hey I have a question for all you douchers. I don’t deadlift all the time, but at one point in the recent past, i.e. over the past 2 years, I wanted to work my way up to see what I could really pull. So I did 3 weeks of getting into the move, started with like 200 on the bar and just did reps of like 5 or 6 or whatever I felt like. Then on the 4th week, I warmed up and put 250 on the bar, did a single no problem. Decided to throw 50 more on, got it no problem. Now that is all the weight I had available to me, but it really felt heavy, but not much of a problem to lift. How good is a 400Lb deadlift? Is 500 like amazing for a non PL’er? I think I could easily get 400 in a month or two and probably get 500 by the end of 2010. I need to go and buy a couple more 45 lb plates and start working up from the 300lbs I have now. Due to financial circumstances I am taking a year off golf, not joining a golf club or anything. Not playing in my league. I figured I already have the home gym, and i’ll need something to occupy me that doesn’t cost any money. Might as well can the stay in shape routine and work on getting bigger and stronger for a year.
My basic question is if someone can pull 300 with little problem on thier 4th deadlift session, is that above average, do I have good potential in the lift? I know I have very poor potential in the bench, I’m just not strong in it. Squats I’m ok at but Iv’e never tried to max as like I said I have a home gym with no spotter.
Oh and I am not going to post any video or pictures, you will have to just believe me when I say I do it. Mkay!
V
[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
[quote]ukrainian wrote:
I don’t really understand why everyone is hating on Sickabz or Ct. Rockula. Or all the skepticism. If they are lying, who cares. If they aren’t, who cares. I think some of you just need your ego boosted.[/quote]
Ok, let me give you a scenario. You are somewhere, lets say a party and a girl comments on your physique saying “Lolz, omigosh you lookz sooooo strong!” Someone else says: “Tru dat ni99a. Waddaya bench?”
Let’s say you’ll say 315. Then a guy nearly half your size walks in going all: “yeah man, that’s pretty G’d up. I do dat for reps”
And this thing happens over and over.
You’re trying to tell me that you won’t get pissed eventually? Not even a bit?[/quote]
Well, in real life, yes, but over the internet, no.
[quote]dude. jumping into a thread and shouting “who cares about this anyway” just shows you’re elitist and hypocritical.
this is the internet. we thrive on petty. so do you. which is why you’re being petty.
you are not above us.[/quote]
You are right that I do care about this thread to an extent because a video of Sickabs completing either lift would be interesting, but I don’t care enough to actually go around calling him out on his squat (which isn’t even that huge to say it’s not possible). Plus, there are a few people in this thread who are just talking shit with absolutely no good reason to.
[quote]You do realize that if they’re lying about their numbers on the internet, they’re the ones who need their ego boosted, correct?
For fucks sake, the last thing sickabs needs is his ego boosted.[/quote]
Again, it’s the internet.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
My basic question is if someone can pull 300 with little problem on thier 4th deadlift session, is that above average, do I have good potential in the lift? I know I have very poor potential in the bench, I’m just not strong in it. Squats I’m ok at but Iv’e never tried to max as like I said I have a home gym with no spotter.
V [/quote]
The answer to your first question depends on your weight and overall training age. Just because you didn’t train the deadlift specifically, doesn’t mean you weren’t training the deadlift indirectly. If you weighed 180 and the first time you ever touch a weight you deadlift x of 300, I’d say your potential is good. Whether you have good potential for the lift or not is probably determined by your potential for strength. Some will say it will be determined by your leverages and that’s true to an extent, but there are too many lifters out there with fantastic deadlifts and less than optimal leverages for the lift 
If you have poor potential in the bench, other than having very long arms, I’d have to wonder whether you have a potential for great strength. Leverages matter, but many gifted lifters have overcome them to put up better than respectable numbers. I have long arms and my bench is RELATIVELY weak to the rest of my lifts. Long arms or not, I can still close grip 330 or so (index touching smooth part) and I think my bench sucks (it does). Long arms notwithstanding, I could probably eat my way to a better bench and change some leverages. I guess I’m trying to say you’re largely limited by your own ability to motivate yourself and train smart. Barring elite lifts and anatomical issues (like injuries and such), I think you’re limited by your determination. So… get the extra weight, train the lift intelligently (more than enough info on this site to guide you) and let’s see where you are at the end of 2010.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Hey I have a question for all you douchers. I don’t deadlift all the time, but at one point in the recent past, i.e. over the past 2 years, I wanted to work my way up to see what I could really pull. So I did 3 weeks of getting into the move, started with like 200 on the bar and just did reps of like 5 or 6 or whatever I felt like. Then on the 4th week, I warmed up and put 250 on the bar, did a single no problem. Decided to throw 50 more on, got it no problem. Now that is all the weight I had available to me, but it really felt heavy, but not much of a problem to lift. How good is a 400Lb deadlift? Is 500 like amazing for a non PL’er? I think I could easily get 400 in a month or two and probably get 500 by the end of 2010. I need to go and buy a couple more 45 lb plates and start working up from the 300lbs I have now. Due to financial circumstances I am taking a year off golf, not joining a golf club or anything. Not playing in my league. I figured I already have the home gym, and i’ll need something to occupy me that doesn’t cost any money. Might as well can the stay in shape routine and work on getting bigger and stronger for a year.
My basic question is if someone can pull 300 with little problem on thier 4th deadlift session, is that above average, do I have good potential in the lift? I know I have very poor potential in the bench, I’m just not strong in it. Squats I’m ok at but Iv’e never tried to max as like I said I have a home gym with no spotter.
Oh and I am not going to post any video or pictures, you will have to just believe me when I say I do it. Mkay!
V [/quote]
First, “mkay” is “so gay” (nttawwt).
Second, I don’t believe you started at 200 “in the recent past”. Now I’m starting to question whether you actually do live near Utica or you’re just making it up to satisfy your ego. Did you make up the fingering technique stuff too?
I don’t know what to believe anymore about anyone!
DB
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Did you make up the fingering technique stuff too?
[/quote]
Nope.
PMPM
[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Did you make up the fingering technique stuff too?
[/quote]
Nope.
PMPM[/quote]
Oh behave!
DB
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Michael C wrote:
If you really want to scratch your head, go to andrew_live ‘s personal info and check this out: 6’1’'/220? 10% bf?
[/quote]
At that height, 220 isn’t shit, and he would still look very skinny in pictures, unless he was some genetic freak. You should know that shorty.
EDIT:
No offense to anyone, I still look pretty skinny at 240 and an inch shorter than andrew…[/quote]
Dude, you have me lost. 6 feet/240=college linebacker. You are too hard on yourself or you have some really rare disease. Maybe it is those cool ass glasses you got on.
[quote]Michael C wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Michael C wrote:
If you really want to scratch your head, go to andrew_live ‘s personal info and check this out: 6’1’'/220? 10% bf?
[/quote]
At that height, 220 isn’t shit, and he would still look very skinny in pictures, unless he was some genetic freak. You should know that shorty.
EDIT:
No offense to anyone, I still look pretty skinny at 240 and an inch shorter than andrew…[/quote]
Dude, you have me lost. 6 feet/240=college linebacker. You are too hard on yourself or you have some really rare disease. Maybe it is those cool ass glasses you got on.[/quote]
LOL!
Maybe I am hard on myself, who knows… I don’t feel that big.
OP are you still a Giants fan?
I’m not. I feel disrespected.
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Hey I have a question for all you douchers. I don’t deadlift all the time, but at one point in the recent past, i.e. over the past 2 years, I wanted to work my way up to see what I could really pull. So I did 3 weeks of getting into the move, started with like 200 on the bar and just did reps of like 5 or 6 or whatever I felt like. Then on the 4th week, I warmed up and put 250 on the bar, did a single no problem. Decided to throw 50 more on, got it no problem. Now that is all the weight I had available to me, but it really felt heavy, but not much of a problem to lift. How good is a 400Lb deadlift? Is 500 like amazing for a non PL’er? I think I could easily get 400 in a month or two and probably get 500 by the end of 2010. I need to go and buy a couple more 45 lb plates and start working up from the 300lbs I have now. Due to financial circumstances I am taking a year off golf, not joining a golf club or anything. Not playing in my league. I figured I already have the home gym, and i’ll need something to occupy me that doesn’t cost any money. Might as well can the stay in shape routine and work on getting bigger and stronger for a year.
My basic question is if someone can pull 300 with little problem on thier 4th deadlift session, is that above average, do I have good potential in the lift? I know I have very poor potential in the bench, I’m just not strong in it. Squats I’m ok at but Iv’e never tried to max as like I said I have a home gym with no spotter.
Oh and I am not going to post any video or pictures, you will have to just believe me when I say I do it. Mkay!
V [/quote]
First, “mkay” is “so gay” (nttawwt).
Second, I don’t believe you started at 200 “in the recent past”. Now I’m starting to question whether you actually do live near Utica or you’re just making it up to satisfy your ego. Did you make up the fingering technique stuff too?
I don’t know what to believe anymore about anyone!
DB[/quote]
Ok Ok you caught me, I believe it was in 2005 when I did my little run at the deadlift. Hell I’m 30 now and sensitive about my age, so I may exagerate here and there to make myself feel younger. Including attributing things I did when I was 26 to doing them when I was 28.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Hey I have a question for all you douchers. I don’t deadlift all the time, but at one point in the recent past, i.e. over the past 2 years, I wanted to work my way up to see what I could really pull. So I did 3 weeks of getting into the move, started with like 200 on the bar and just did reps of like 5 or 6 or whatever I felt like. Then on the 4th week, I warmed up and put 250 on the bar, did a single no problem. Decided to throw 50 more on, got it no problem. Now that is all the weight I had available to me, but it really felt heavy, but not much of a problem to lift. How good is a 400Lb deadlift? Is 500 like amazing for a non PL’er? I think I could easily get 400 in a month or two and probably get 500 by the end of 2010. I need to go and buy a couple more 45 lb plates and start working up from the 300lbs I have now. Due to financial circumstances I am taking a year off golf, not joining a golf club or anything. Not playing in my league. I figured I already have the home gym, and i’ll need something to occupy me that doesn’t cost any money. Might as well can the stay in shape routine and work on getting bigger and stronger for a year.
My basic question is if someone can pull 300 with little problem on thier 4th deadlift session, is that above average, do I have good potential in the lift? I know I have very poor potential in the bench, I’m just not strong in it. Squats I’m ok at but Iv’e never tried to max as like I said I have a home gym with no spotter.
Oh and I am not going to post any video or pictures, you will have to just believe me when I say I do it. Mkay!
V [/quote]
First, “mkay” is “so gay” (nttawwt).
Second, I don’t believe you started at 200 “in the recent past”. Now I’m starting to question whether you actually do live near Utica or you’re just making it up to satisfy your ego. Did you make up the fingering technique stuff too?
I don’t know what to believe anymore about anyone!
DB[/quote]
Ok Ok you caught me, I believe it was in 2005 when I did my little run at the deadlift. Hell I’m 30 now and sensitive about my age, so I may exagerate here and there to make myself feel younger. Including attributing things I did when I was 26 to doing them when I was 28.
V[/quote]
If you lift regularly and fairly hard, You probably have the strength to do a 2bw deadlift within a month of training. The problem for powerlifters is they have judges to say if the quality of the lift passes.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
If you lift regularly and fairly hard, You probably have the strength to do a 2bw deadlift within a month of training. The problem for powerlifters is they have judges to say if the quality of the lift passes.[/quote]
2x bwt DL in one month? LOL. What are you putting in your cheerios? By the way, the DL is not a terribly technical lift to judge like the squat or bench. The very few key issues are no hitching, lock out, and lower on command under relative control. It’s not a terribly technical lift to judge. So unless you’re deadlifting like that kid was here years ago (forget his name; was training for PL and strongman and had some of the scariest deadlift form ever witnessed in this forum), the deadlift is pretty straight forward. And I don’t think you can add 100 lbs in one month under any reasonable scenario.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
My basic question is if someone can pull 300 with little problem on thier 4th deadlift session, is that above average, do I have good potential in the lift? I know I have very poor potential in the bench, I’m just not strong in it. Squats I’m ok at but Iv’e never tried to max as like I said I have a home gym with no spotter.
V [/quote]
The answer to your first question depends on your weight and overall training age. Just because you didn’t train the deadlift specifically, doesn’t mean you weren’t training the deadlift indirectly. If you weighed 180 and the first time you ever touch a weight you deadlift x of 300, I’d say your potential is good. Whether you have good potential for the lift or not is probably determined by your potential for strength. Some will say it will be determined by your leverages and that’s true to an extent, but there are too many lifters out there with fantastic deadlifts and less than optimal leverages for the lift If you have poor potential in the bench, other than having very long arms, I’d have to wonder whether you have a potential for great strength. Leverages matter, but many gifted lifters have overcome them to put up better than respectable numbers. I have long arms and my bench is RELATIVELY weak to the rest of my lifts. Long arms or not, I can still close grip 330 or so (index touching smooth part) and I think my bench sucks (it does). Long arms notwithstanding, I could probably eat my way to a better bench and change some leverages. I guess I’m trying to say you’re largely limited by your own ability to motivate yourself and train smart. Barring elite lifts and anatomical issues (like injuries and such), I think you’re limited by your determination. So… get the extra weight, train the lift intelligently (more than enough info on this site to guide you) and let’s see where you are at the end of 2010. [/quote]
Right now I’m 6’0" 195 ish, when i pulled the 300 I was 180 on a heavy day. My background is mostly running, cross country and middle distance in track & field, though I did excel at jumps also, long and triple. Played volleyball in HS and for a time in college. Started working out after college with a buddy of mine. Lifted using a typicl bodybuilding split for about 9 months to a year before I got distracted by partying and gave it up. At that point I had reached my heaviest 190 Lbs and was really starting to notice an appreciable amount of muscle, compared to my 170lb high school and college days.
After that I would lift sporadically, a month on, one off. I was almost like an addict, or rather a reverse addict. I would come here and read every article, get into discussions all day long about form, nutrition, etc… But I could never keep my momentum up in the gym. Eventually I started purchasing things for a garage gym as I thought not having to drive to the gym after work would improve my rate of working out. Well eventually I realized that I just didn’t have enough time and energy to lift like a bodybuilder and persue the other things in my life. For one I golfed almost every day during that time of my life.
I came to the realization that maybe bodybuilding wasn’t what I needed to focus on and have since just tried to get a workout in once or twice a week. I will do a total body or sometimes a half body split and just do whatever I feel like. I have put on some good weight doing this and even got over 200lbs for the first time last winter. Now for the first time in my life since that initial 9 month period of lifting with my buddy, I think I will actually have the time and energy to put in a good 4 day split.
Anyways, I have always considered myself an althete first not a lifter. I am the guy you want on your team in a pickup anything game. But I wouldn’t mind adding another 10-20 lbs of muscle and moving some bigger weight around either.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Hey I have a question for all you douchers. I don’t deadlift all the time, but at one point in the recent past, i.e. over the past 2 years, I wanted to work my way up to see what I could really pull. So I did 3 weeks of getting into the move, started with like 200 on the bar and just did reps of like 5 or 6 or whatever I felt like. Then on the 4th week, I warmed up and put 250 on the bar, did a single no problem. Decided to throw 50 more on, got it no problem. Now that is all the weight I had available to me, but it really felt heavy, but not much of a problem to lift. How good is a 400Lb deadlift? Is 500 like amazing for a non PL’er? I think I could easily get 400 in a month or two and probably get 500 by the end of 2010. I need to go and buy a couple more 45 lb plates and start working up from the 300lbs I have now. Due to financial circumstances I am taking a year off golf, not joining a golf club or anything. Not playing in my league. I figured I already have the home gym, and i’ll need something to occupy me that doesn’t cost any money. Might as well can the stay in shape routine and work on getting bigger and stronger for a year.
My basic question is if someone can pull 300 with little problem on thier 4th deadlift session, is that above average, do I have good potential in the lift? I know I have very poor potential in the bench, I’m just not strong in it. Squats I’m ok at but Iv’e never tried to max as like I said I have a home gym with no spotter.
Oh and I am not going to post any video or pictures, you will have to just believe me when I say I do it. Mkay!
V [/quote]
I hit 440lbs yesterday for one rep (with straps and a belt) after one year of DLing. It’s probably a bit individual though. The deadlift just feels like a very natural lift for me compared to squatting and benching, so I was able to progress relatively fast without ever thinking about the technique.
405 No belt no straps with 4 months of dling.
I got up to 315 for 1 in my fifth/sixth session or so, when I was 6ft2, 175 pounds and 17yo. I have some really long monkey arms too, which helps on deadlifts and makes benching and building big arms so hard and humbling that I, stupidly enough, don’t do it.
The potential bit: 2 years later, I still can’t pull 400, which is kinda sad and pathetic. Got some technique issues; lumbar flexion. And a pretty long back, so it’s something to be careful with.
I would say it shows that you might have potential. The hard part is using it.
(And I am fully aware of the fact that my weakness is entirely my fault and that I’m in no position to blame my genetic potential or claim to be a hardgainer. Training my ass off would have helped me more than reading all these awesome articles.)
[quote]klarbar wrote:
405 No belt no straps with 4 months of dling.[/quote]
I believe it.