What did you guys make of this film? i personally thought it was excellent and yes the first hour or so was slow but completely neccessary for character development and plot development.
SPOLIER ALERT
When the general asks him if he was to try to attack his eyes, could he react fast enough before going blind? Could this be an indication that the warden is trying to blind him and can Teddy react fast enough to not be tricked into the mess. Also the last line, is it better live as a monster or die as a good man. This shakes up his doctor/partner (who the fuck knows) is he hinting that he knows the truth (or is he delisional) or is he trying to get Chuck to do something good?
Any other interesting points in the film?
About the final quote. Here’s my take. Leo is lucid at that point. Understands reality and accepts that his killed his wife. But he doesn’t want to live his life with that memory so he makes the decision to get the lobotomy so he doesn’t have to rmemeber his life. Basically he’d rather live as a zombie than live with the memory of his life.
About the final quote. Here’s my take. Leo is lucid at that point. Understands reality and accepts that his killed his wife. But he doesn’t want to live his life with that memory so he makes the decision to get the lobotomy so he doesn’t have to rmemeber his life. Basically he’d rather live as a zombie than live with the memory of his life.[/quote]
thats interesting, but does the island actually have a conspiracy still? In your case your implying that he had been there for the 24 months yes? So everything in the first part was his imagination and them letting him play it out yes? Then whatever he ‘sees’ is just fake as well but he does see his wife and the girl who both end up being real. So crazy
Although there is more evidence on the side of “he’s been crazy for 2 years and doesn’t realize it”, I think it was still left open enough that maybe he really wasn’t.
If he was crazy:
-He couldn’t stomach the ocean because it reminded him of how his children died
-They wouldn’t give him access to private files because it would have likely exposed the role-play, besides the fact that he didn’t have the authority he thought he did.
-ALL of the staff and orderlies were in on it, and were totally cool bunking with the most crazed and violent patient in the place?
-The image of Latice was created in his head based on the face of a jewish boy he saw at Dackow when he liberated it (different colored eyes, scar on the face)
-Teddy kept insisting that he didn’t want to kill Latice, because deep down he knew it was him.
-All of the lucid patients must have been in on the role-play as well, which seems like a lot to expect of crazy people
-The one woman Teddy interrogated that wrote “RUN” in his notebook when Dr. Shien (chuck) got up for water must have known what was going on, and either wanted to see him go free, or was somehow doing her part to create the conspiracy fantasy.
-They had transcripts of all of his dreams and conversations because he repeated this fantasy as a cycle
If it really was a conspiracy:
-He couldn’t stomach the ocean for entirely different reasons (going oversees for war maybe)
-They wouldn’t give him access to private files because they were freaky conspirators
-His new “partner” was in on it the whole time
-From the very beginning someone stole his cigarettes, and he’d been smoking Chuck’s before he ever got on the island.
-They took his gun and replaced it with a toy
-They had been secretly drugging him for several days and nights
-All of the staff and orderlies didn’t necessarily have to be in on it, but could have been
-He never really had kids, it was just an easy thing to insert into his memory knowing how traumatized he was by seeing the children at Dackow (they also already had him well informed of the one patient who drowned her three children and set them up at the table)
-The idea of a conspiracy to get Teddy on the island never entered his mind until Chuck suggested it to him in the cemetery.
-None of the crazy people recognized the most dangerous patient at the place because he wasn’t one at all, and the one woman he interrogated wrote “RUN” because she knew that it was a conspiracy. (Teddy also remarked that she didn’t really seem crazy either)
-They had transcripts of all of his conversations because his partner was following him around everywhere listening (note: they didn’t have a transcript of his conversation with the “real” Mrs. Solando from inside the cave)
-They had transcripts of phrases from his dreams because he talked in his sleep, possibly as a side effect of the drugs
-If Dr. Shien (chuck) was Mrs. Solando’s primary psychiatrist, and she knows and assigns roles to everyone she sees in the institution daily, why didn’t she recognize Chuck as her doctor when he was standing right there in the room?
-When Teddy asked the bald doctor where his partner was, he flat out lied and said “you came here alone”, then threatened Teddy. Why would he do this for the sake of a “role play”?
-Teddy was supposedly Latice, the 67th patient, housed in Ward C as the most dangerous, yet when Teddy walked into Ward C (forbidden ward) after the power went down, a guard saw him and told him to go right ahead as though he didn’t recognize him at all.
-They got him to the island, disarmed him, drugged him, made him crazy, and then lobotomized him = exactly what the conspiracy was
If it was in his imagination, then how was he able to speak fluent German to the German psychologist? He was a veteran soldier that fought in world war 2. He knew the Germans did those kinds of experiments so that’s what he was trying to uncover at the lighthouse. Also why did the woman who they were interviewing told him to run? She knew that he was being fooled by everyone.
Amazing movie. One of the best horror films that I have seen. It’s ability to showcase how fragile the human mind is, which is the most important possession in every humans life, is the most frightening thing imaginable.
I agree with BONEZ, that he was truly insane, realized it, and then rationalized at the end, allowing himself to be lobotomized.
Mr popular decent list but pretty much all the chances at conspiracy are put to rest, rewatch the movie. If he was lobotmized he would not be acting like that because he was STILL viloent and crazy.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Mr popular decent list but pretty much all the chances at conspiracy are put to rest, rewatch the movie. If he was lobotmized he would not be acting like that because he was STILL viloent and crazy.[/quote]
What?
Are you suggesting he was seen post-lobotomy at some point in the movie? Because I don’t think anyone was under that impression.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Mr popular decent list but pretty much all the chances at conspiracy are put to rest, rewatch the movie. If he was lobotmized he would not be acting like that because he was STILL viloent and crazy.[/quote]
What?
Are you suggesting he was seen post-lobotomy at some point in the movie? Because I don’t think anyone was under that impression.[/quote]
No I’m suggesting he was never lobotmized in reference to when YOU posted this “They got him to the island, disarmed him, drugged him, made him crazy, and then lobotomized him = exactly what the conspiracy was”
where did you get this from? Or are you saying they lobotomized him at the end?
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Amazing movie. One of the best horror films that I have seen. It’s ability to showcase how fragile the human mind is, which is the most important possession in every humans life, is the most frightening thing imaginable.
I agree with BONEZ, that he was truly insane, realized it, and then rationalized at the end, allowing himself to be lobotomized.[/quote]
Where was the Spoiler Alert jerk face?? Guess I should’ve just stopped reading after the first 3 posts were spoiler alerted … but still, come on man
[quote]drewh wrote:
No I’m suggesting he was never lobotmized in reference to when YOU posted this “They got him to the island, disarmed him, drugged him, made him crazy, and then lobotomized him = exactly what the conspiracy was”
where did you get this from? Or are you saying they lobotomized him at the end? [/quote]
at the end. pretty much cause they all made Leo believe he did the crime.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Amazing movie. One of the best horror films that I have seen. It’s ability to showcase how fragile the human mind is, which is the most important possession in every humans life, is the most frightening thing imaginable.
I agree with BONEZ, that he was truly insane, realized it, and then rationalized at the end, allowing himself to be lobotomized.[/quote]
Where was the Spoiler Alert jerk face?? Guess I should’ve just stopped reading after the first 3 posts were spoiler alerted … but still, come on man[/quote]
My bad, I just assumed that someone who hasn’t seen the movie wouldn’t keep reading after the first 3 spoiler alerts.
What a mind fuck this movie was. I still wasn’t convinced about him actually being crazy although Bonez has a very good point.
After the first hour I was almost ready to leave, didn’t find the movie that interesting, then the twist made this movie one of the best ones in a while. Funny how that works.
Ok!!! the acting was perfect, the way every subtelty made sense at the end, the twist, simply amazing film. It isn’t a typical horror film but you have to admit his condition was very scary.
I saw the movie tonight. Excellent film, however I wouldn’t consider it a horror movie. Can anyone trace the visual of his wife burning by fire to past experiences he had? I’m trying to figure out if it was symbolic for something else.