Should the Police Chase Suspects?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested. [/quote]

Once you have a looser Gang member speeding through residential sections and not stopping for Police the Problem is only Made worse By spooking him by a high speed chase. Then it QUICKLY escalates and gets exponentially more dangerous. Why? Because the AssHole will not give a crap and plow forward at break neck speeds. That’s why Chases add to the problem and NOT take away from the Problem. Can’t you see that?

I’m not for the rights of criminals. I’m for being professional and proper. The Police should Act like Professionals. Once the suspect is apprehended no further reprisals are necessary. Reprisals like that are a breeding ground for plenty of what’s wrong and serve to tarnish the reputation of the good officers who dedicated their lives to serving and protecting us.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested. [/quote]

So by beating people up regularly that speed in residential areas you think the problem is solved.

Funny, because I believe that that gives people a very strong incentive to floor it when they see a police car.

I wonder why it is so hard to understand for some people that some people simply cannot be solved with more violence.

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[quote]orion wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested.

So by beating people up regularly that speed in residential areas you think the problem is solved.

Funny, because I believe that that gives people a very strong incentive to floor it when they see a police car.

I wonder why it is so hard to understand for some people that some people simply cannot be solved with more violence.[/quote]

because Logic escapes them and emotions take over their views and decisions.

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[quote]orion wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested.

So by beating people up regularly that speed in residential areas you think the problem is solved.

Funny, because I believe that that gives people a very strong incentive to floor it when they see a police car.

I wonder why it is so hard to understand for some people that some people simply cannot be solved with more violence.[/quote]

The both of you missed the part where he was on parole from state prison, he is not just some guy speeding through residential areas. He is a menace to society.

No, most people don’t “floor it” when they see police, good people just pull over. But again you missed that too. You make it sound like this guy was some model citizen, with tattoos on his face and as well as being a known gang member.

Tell you what, why don’t both of you come to Los Angeles, and I will give you a personal tour of the areas where this stuff happens. Maybe you will re-think you “logic”, as if these people have or use logic. They have none, they just want to see the world burn. If you have a bullet proof vest, bring it.

The rights of citizens supercedes the rights of criminals, and if you disagree, I suggest you move to the Bay Area. Otherwise fuck 'em.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
There was a police chase here in LA back in May, where the guy drove around crazy and then finally stopped. Now, mind you, the area it happened is El Monte, which is basically a 3rd world shit hole of a city.

The driver of the vehicle was a real winner, just out of state prison on parole, and ran out of the car trying to flee. He finally gave up and laid down on the ground face down. One of the cops comes up running and kicks him in the head, for which many people of Los Angeles applauded. Now, he is suing the LAPD for 5 million, saying he has headaches and sees stars ever since the kick. Personally, I think they should have beaten the dog shit out of him. What if he hit some innocent person? Some kid in the street playing or some little old lady? Mother fuckers like this lost their right to live. Please note, this is not the full video, the car chase is quite long.

Here is the video, it happens around 1:27 …

your a peice of work. first you preach the justice system in other threads now you throw it out the window and say the officer has the right to be jury, judge, and punisher and take punishment into his hands? the fuck is the justice system for then? your something man.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested. [/quote]

your something. ok by your logic I(i am a police officer) will now be visiting you at your house in about 6 hours. i will lay you on the floor and shoot you in the head because you are spreading this heinous police state bullshit. i am the police and by your word i have the right to shoot you in the street as my judgement sees fit. fuck the justice system i am now your god.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
orion wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested.

So by beating people up regularly that speed in residential areas you think the problem is solved.

Funny, because I believe that that gives people a very strong incentive to floor it when they see a police car.

I wonder why it is so hard to understand for some people that some people simply cannot be solved with more violence.

The both of you missed the part where he was on parole from state prison, he is not just some guy speeding through residential areas. He is a menace to society.

No, most people don’t “floor it” when they see police, good people just pull over. But again you missed that too. You make it sound like this guy was some model citizen, with tattoos on his face and as well as being a known gang member.

Tell you what, why don’t both of you come to Los Angeles, and I will give you a personal tour of the areas where this stuff happens. Maybe you will re-think you “logic”, as if these people have or use logic. They have none, they just want to see the world burn. If you have a bullet proof vest, bring it.

The rights of citizens supercedes the rights of criminals, and if you disagree, I suggest you move to the Bay Area. Otherwise fuck 'em. [/quote]

Nice tangent.

But that is not what you wrote and I responded to what you wrote, not what you intended to write.

And anally raping people who go 30 when they should go 20 is probably not going to help build trust in da po-lice…

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested.

your something. ok by your logic I(i am a police officer) will now be visiting you at your house in about 6 hours. i will lay you on the floor and shoot you in the head because you are spreading this heinous police state bullshit. i am the police and by your word i have the right to shoot you in the street as my judgement sees fit. fuck the justice system i am now your god. [/quote]

You (the police) are going to come visit me? Please do, come on in, I am cooking some food and save some for you. You are going to shoot me because I am spreading some police state bullshit? So, I get shot for speaking my mind, but the guy driving through neighborhoods risking people’s lives gets a trial? HAHA!!! I love it. I love the analogy among the crimes, speaking your opinion versus driving like a savage. I am willing to be responsible for my words, unlike most people.

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[quote]orion wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
orion wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested.

So by beating people up regularly that speed in residential areas you think the problem is solved.

Funny, because I believe that that gives people a very strong incentive to floor it when they see a police car.

I wonder why it is so hard to understand for some people that some people simply cannot be solved with more violence.

The both of you missed the part where he was on parole from state prison, he is not just some guy speeding through residential areas. He is a menace to society.

No, most people don’t “floor it” when they see police, good people just pull over. But again you missed that too. You make it sound like this guy was some model citizen, with tattoos on his face and as well as being a known gang member.

Tell you what, why don’t both of you come to Los Angeles, and I will give you a personal tour of the areas where this stuff happens. Maybe you will re-think you “logic”, as if these people have or use logic. They have none, they just want to see the world burn. If you have a bullet proof vest, bring it.

The rights of citizens supercedes the rights of criminals, and if you disagree, I suggest you move to the Bay Area. Otherwise fuck 'em.

Nice tangent.

But that is not what you wrote and I responded to what you wrote, not what you intended to write.

And anally raping people who go 30 when they should go 20 is probably not going to help build trust in da po-lice…[/quote]

Please dude, you live in Austria, you don’t have people who speed. In fact, I bet we have more people who speed like this in 1 month than you do in an entire year. Your opinion is based on what you think is going on versus what is really going on. I have been all over Europe and I have not once seen or heard of a speeding maniac, not ever.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Deorum wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested.

your something. ok by your logic I(i am a police officer) will now be visiting you at your house in about 6 hours. i will lay you on the floor and shoot you in the head because you are spreading this heinous police state bullshit. i am the police and by your word i have the right to shoot you in the street as my judgement sees fit. fuck the justice system i am now your god.

You (the police) are going to come visit me? Please do, come on in, I am cooking some food and save some for you. You are going to shoot me because I am spreading some police state bullshit? So, I get shot for speaking my mind, but the guy driving through neighborhoods risking people’s lives gets a trial? HAHA!!! I love it. I love the analogy among the crimes, speaking your opinion versus driving like a savage. I am willing to be responsible for my words, unlike most people. [/quote]

you didnt actually think i was really threatening you, did you?

… i shouldnt have left that for you to comprehend, i should have spelled it out. what you described in your earlier posts is a police state. you said the cop should shoot the man in the street. that is no trial. that is the cop acting as the highest of authorities. i was placing you in the system that you described. i didnt think the analogy was that hard to understand.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
orion wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
orion wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested.

So by beating people up regularly that speed in residential areas you think the problem is solved.

Funny, because I believe that that gives people a very strong incentive to floor it when they see a police car.

I wonder why it is so hard to understand for some people that some people simply cannot be solved with more violence.

The both of you missed the part where he was on parole from state prison, he is not just some guy speeding through residential areas. He is a menace to society.

No, most people don’t “floor it” when they see police, good people just pull over. But again you missed that too. You make it sound like this guy was some model citizen, with tattoos on his face and as well as being a known gang member.

Tell you what, why don’t both of you come to Los Angeles, and I will give you a personal tour of the areas where this stuff happens. Maybe you will re-think you “logic”, as if these people have or use logic. They have none, they just want to see the world burn. If you have a bullet proof vest, bring it.

The rights of citizens supercedes the rights of criminals, and if you disagree, I suggest you move to the Bay Area. Otherwise fuck 'em.

Nice tangent.

But that is not what you wrote and I responded to what you wrote, not what you intended to write.

And anally raping people who go 30 when they should go 20 is probably not going to help build trust in da po-lice…

Please dude, you live in Austria, you don’t have people who speed. In fact, I bet we have more people who speed like this in 1 month than you do in an entire year. Your opinion is based on what you think is going on versus what is really going on. I have been all over Europe and I have not once seen or heard of a speeding maniac, not ever. [/quote]

Dude, we all speed.

It is just that noone cares.

Cereally.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Deorum wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested.

your something. ok by your logic I(i am a police officer) will now be visiting you at your house in about 6 hours. i will lay you on the floor and shoot you in the head because you are spreading this heinous police state bullshit. i am the police and by your word i have the right to shoot you in the street as my judgement sees fit. fuck the justice system i am now your god.

You (the police) are going to come visit me? Please do, come on in, I am cooking some food and save some for you. You are going to shoot me because I am spreading some police state bullshit? So, I get shot for speaking my mind, but the guy driving through neighborhoods risking people’s lives gets a trial? HAHA!!! I love it. I love the analogy among the crimes, speaking your opinion versus driving like a savage. I am willing to be responsible for my words, unlike most people.

you didnt actually think i was really threatening you, did you?

… i shouldnt have left that for you to comprehend, i should have spelled it out. what you described in your earlier posts is a police state. you said the cop should shoot the man in the street. that is no trial. that is the cop acting as the highest of authorities. i was placing you in the system that you described. i didnt think the analogy was that hard to understand.
[/quote]

Oh no, I understood your point. The flaw with your thinking is that comparing expression of opinion the same as driving like a wreckless idiot, threatening the lives of innocent people and creating havoc. If you see these two things as being remotely equal, please post no further.

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[quote]orion wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
orion wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
orion wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested.

So by beating people up regularly that speed in residential areas you think the problem is solved.

Funny, because I believe that that gives people a very strong incentive to floor it when they see a police car.

I wonder why it is so hard to understand for some people that some people simply cannot be solved with more violence.

The both of you missed the part where he was on parole from state prison, he is not just some guy speeding through residential areas. He is a menace to society.

No, most people don’t “floor it” when they see police, good people just pull over. But again you missed that too. You make it sound like this guy was some model citizen, with tattoos on his face and as well as being a known gang member.

Tell you what, why don’t both of you come to Los Angeles, and I will give you a personal tour of the areas where this stuff happens. Maybe you will re-think you “logic”, as if these people have or use logic. They have none, they just want to see the world burn. If you have a bullet proof vest, bring it.

The rights of citizens supercedes the rights of criminals, and if you disagree, I suggest you move to the Bay Area. Otherwise fuck 'em.

Nice tangent.

But that is not what you wrote and I responded to what you wrote, not what you intended to write.

And anally raping people who go 30 when they should go 20 is probably not going to help build trust in da po-lice…

Please dude, you live in Austria, you don’t have people who speed. In fact, I bet we have more people who speed like this in 1 month than you do in an entire year. Your opinion is based on what you think is going on versus what is really going on. I have been all over Europe and I have not once seen or heard of a speeding maniac, not ever.

Dude, we all speed.

It is just that noone cares.

Cereally.

[/quote]

People barely drive in Europe compared to the US.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Deorum wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Deorum wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
You are going to compare being bitchy with driving recklessly through neighborhoods risking the lives of innocent people and maybe killing them? Nice. Fuck that, do you think society is going to miss people like this?

Listen, don’t act like a bitch ok.

If you are ok with risking harm or death on innocent people by driving like a maniac through residential neighborhoods, on freeways, and on sidewalks, then you should be ok with having harm or death put on you. Like you said, you reap what you sow. If you think it’s ok to kill people who did nothing, then you should be ok with someone killing you for doing plenty. I swear, it’s like people have no idea of responsibility.

Good people stop when the police try to pull them over. Family men obey the laws. Good pillars of the community would not risk the lives of others at the benefit of themselves. What if some kid gets killed (which has happened many times)?

It is people like you, who prefer the rights of criminals than the rights of the innocent. Fuck 'em, let them die, they lost the right to live when they act like this. Shoot em right there in the street when they are arrested.

your something. ok by your logic I(i am a police officer) will now be visiting you at your house in about 6 hours. i will lay you on the floor and shoot you in the head because you are spreading this heinous police state bullshit. i am the police and by your word i have the right to shoot you in the street as my judgement sees fit. fuck the justice system i am now your god.

You (the police) are going to come visit me? Please do, come on in, I am cooking some food and save some for you. You are going to shoot me because I am spreading some police state bullshit? So, I get shot for speaking my mind, but the guy driving through neighborhoods risking people’s lives gets a trial? HAHA!!! I love it. I love the analogy among the crimes, speaking your opinion versus driving like a savage. I am willing to be responsible for my words, unlike most people.

you didnt actually think i was really threatening you, did you?

… i shouldnt have left that for you to comprehend, i should have spelled it out. what you described in your earlier posts is a police state. you said the cop should shoot the man in the street. that is no trial. that is the cop acting as the highest of authorities. i was placing you in the system that you described. i didnt think the analogy was that hard to understand.

Oh no, I understood your point. The flaw with your thinking is that comparing expression of opinion the same as driving like a wreckless idiot, threatening the lives of innocent people and creating havoc. If you see these two things as being remotely equal, please post no further. [/quote]

your missing the point your still describing a police state where it the polices’ judgement who lives and dies. if you see this as ideal, please post no further.

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If you have no problem risking other people’s lives, then you should have no problem risking your own life.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
JD430 wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I think Police chases should be Illegal in 99% of cases. They are chasing idiots and are usually being chased by idiot EGOTISTICAL cops who have just as much of a narrow tunnel vision as the perpetrator. The result? Civilian deaths.

Of course never mind the fact that actual Police work could have the person caught a few hours later through investigation. Police chases KILL alot of civilians for BULLSHIT. In California a whole culture has evolved around chases. It’s stupid.

Alot of you will change your tune if God forbid someone you know gets run over by a cop chasing a criminal, and the criminal was a guy who ren because of driving while suspended or some BS. Yeah, worth a life over keeping up the infallible Police image. Get a life.

Bottom line, Chases should be Illegal. Some forward “thinking” Departments have policies against chasing.

Well, I’ll put aside your short-sighted, anti-police bias and address the crux of what you are saying as I generally agree with you. As an aside though, I doubt you have much experience in high-stress, tactical or any law enforcement situations in general as you simply chalk up tunnel vision and the willingness to do one’s job to being an “egotistical idiot”.

I can speak from 1st hand experience about police chases, so maybe some of you may find this useful.

New Jersey has a fairly strict pursuit policy although it is not always adhered to. Police are generally not allowed to pursue for most motor vehicle infractions and even most minor criminal offenses. We are also strongly cautioned to weigh road conditions and the possibility of later capturing a suspect before initiating a pursuit. A supervisor can terminate a pursuit at any time and my experience is that they often do so very quickly. Also, it is against state guidelines to critique or discipline an officer for refusing to begin a pursuit. I think we do a lot of things wrong in New Jersey, but our pursuit policy should probably be a model for the nation.

Don’t take any of the above to mean police can’t pursue for more serious crimes here. We do and I have personally been involved in chases(never came close to enjoying one either and I know no one who has…they are very harrowing). Criminals should never have the enticement to run that a strict no-pursuit policy would bring. However, our guidelines are set up to discourage pursuits except in serious circumstances.

Speaking from experience, I believe this is the most prudent way to handle business. There are too many factors at work that make chases tremendously dangerous. They include the ever growing amounts of population and traffic density, little to no real training in pursuit driving and stress management and maybe most importantly, the fact that we don’t have a reliable method to bring fleeing motor vehicles to a halt safely(at least not yet). In fact, I don’t know if it is even possible to train most cops up to the level where high speed pursuit and evasion driving is not a severe hazard. It would probably take hundreds of hours when all things are considered and cost a hell of a lot of money.

Bottom line, sometimes they are necessary but there are probably way too many pursuits taking place across the country and most states would be wise to at least consider adopting the more cautious guidelines that New Jersey has in place.

When you;re dealing with Criminals, policies are meaningless to them. Policies or no policies, they type of individual that will run, WILL RUN. Im a Police family member. I know the story, especially in NJ.

I know how cops pursue someone and call it in like they are supposed to. I know how they will lie about their speed to keep the supervisor from calling it off. Personal EGO’s take over all the time with cops. I would say 75% of cops have no business being cops. They are degenerate losers with the highest divorce and suicide rates for a reason. Very introverted, egotistical and difficult insecure people.

But a few maybe like yourself are the good apples. [/quote]

There is so much wrong with this post I don’t know where to start. Law enforcement has the highest divorce rates because 95 out of every 100 officers works a schedule other than 8-4 with weekends and holidays off. I have been on the job for 14 years and have never had a dayshift with weekends off, I now have 3-11 shift with friday and saturday off and was able to bid thanksgiving off. I have a wife and a 2 year old son, maybe the fact that someones partner is a single parent 5 days a week has to do with the divorce rate.
As for the suicide rate, I’m pretty sure that it’s more stressful tan your average office job. Ever heard of a cop going into work and shooting the place up?
You have a family memeber who is a cop so you knnow all about it? That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. By that logic since my wife is a teacher I should know how to do everything she does right?

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
Therizza wrote:
No I don’t think they should chase suspects. All police officers should have rocket launchers and just blow the vehicle up when it flees.

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Come on guys, be serious! Rocket launchers would cause lots of collateral damage. They should have lasers so they can melt the cars… or maybe freeze guns.

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Snipeout, that kind of logic has no place here :slight_smile: How dare you of all people, someone who actually has a job in this field, speak on issues specifically relevant to the case.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
Gregus wrote:
JD430 wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I think Police chases should be Illegal in 99% of cases. They are chasing idiots and are usually being chased by idiot EGOTISTICAL cops who have just as much of a narrow tunnel vision as the perpetrator. The result? Civilian deaths.

Of course never mind the fact that actual Police work could have the person caught a few hours later through investigation. Police chases KILL alot of civilians for BULLSHIT. In California a whole culture has evolved around chases. It’s stupid.

Alot of you will change your tune if God forbid someone you know gets run over by a cop chasing a criminal, and the criminal was a guy who ren because of driving while suspended or some BS. Yeah, worth a life over keeping up the infallible Police image. Get a life.

Bottom line, Chases should be Illegal. Some forward “thinking” Departments have policies against chasing.

Well, I’ll put aside your short-sighted, anti-police bias and address the crux of what you are saying as I generally agree with you. As an aside though, I doubt you have much experience in high-stress, tactical or any law enforcement situations in general as you simply chalk up tunnel vision and the willingness to do one’s job to being an “egotistical idiot”.

I can speak from 1st hand experience about police chases, so maybe some of you may find this useful.

New Jersey has a fairly strict pursuit policy although it is not always adhered to. Police are generally not allowed to pursue for most motor vehicle infractions and even most minor criminal offenses.

We are also strongly cautioned to weigh road conditions and the possibility of later capturing a suspect before initiating a pursuit. A supervisor can terminate a pursuit at any time and my experience is that they often do so very quickly.

Also, it is against state guidelines to critique or discipline an officer for refusing to begin a pursuit. I think we do a lot of things wrong in New Jersey, but our pursuit policy should probably be a model for the nation.

Don’t take any of the above to mean police can’t pursue for more serious crimes here. We do and I have personally been involved in chases(never came close to enjoying one either and I know no one who has…they are very harrowing).

Criminals should never have the enticement to run that a strict no-pursuit policy would bring. However, our guidelines are set up to discourage pursuits except in serious circumstances.

Speaking from experience, I believe this is the most prudent way to handle business. There are too many factors at work that make chases tremendously dangerous. They include the ever growing amounts of population and traffic density, little to no real training in pursuit driving and stress management and maybe most importantly, the fact that we don’t have a reliable method to bring fleeing motor vehicles to a halt safely(at least not yet).

In fact, I don’t know if it is even possible to train most cops up to the level where high speed pursuit and evasion driving is not a severe hazard. It would probably take hundreds of hours when all things are considered and cost a hell of a lot of money.

Bottom line, sometimes they are necessary but there are probably way too many pursuits taking place across the country and most states would be wise to at least consider adopting the more cautious guidelines that New Jersey has in place.

When you;re dealing with Criminals, policies are meaningless to them. Policies or no policies, they type of individual that will run, WILL RUN. Im a Police family member. I know the story, especially in NJ.

I know how cops pursue someone and call it in like they are supposed to. I know how they will lie about their speed to keep the supervisor from calling it off. Personal EGO’s take over all the time with cops.

I would say 75% of cops have no business being cops. They are degenerate losers with the highest divorce and suicide rates for a reason. Very introverted, egotistical and difficult insecure people.

But a few maybe like yourself are the good apples.

There is so much wrong with this post I don’t know where to start. Law enforcement has the highest divorce rates because 95 out of every 100 officers works a schedule other than 8-4 with weekends and holidays off.

I have been on the job for 14 years and have never had a dayshift with weekends off, I now have 3-11 shift with friday and saturday off and was able to bid thanksgiving off. I have a wife and a 2 year old son, maybe the fact that someones partner is a single parent 5 days a week has to do with the divorce rate.

As for the suicide rate, I’m pretty sure that it’s more stressful tan your average office job. Ever heard of a cop going into work and shooting the place up?
You have a family memeber who is a cop so you knnow all about it?

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. By that logic since my wife is a teacher I should know how to do everything she does right?
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No women divorce cops because of their “difficult” personalities. Women leave men because they no longer see a future with that particular person, not the situation.

And you can know just about all that goes on in her profession if you listened to her.

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I, unlike you am not an armchair quarterback. I will never pretend to know all that goes on in a profession “just by listening”.