[quote]SteelyD wrote:
CT - Very happy to see you posting in the forums lately. Thank you.
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Agreed.
maybe it will change the air around here.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^do you do dips? Bench or parallel bar?
If so do you consider this a triceps movement or does it fall more under the “compound” lift category for you?[/quote]
I like to do bench press variations from pins. If I want to emphasize the triceps more, I will use a higher pins setting (top half of the range of motion) or use the Dead-Squat bar (really improved my triceps since I began using it).
I sometimes do dips. I personally do them mostly for triceps, which means that I do not go all the way down… this overstretch the shoulder and few people can do it long term without ill-effects. I like to do dips going down until the upper arm is parallel to the floor, or even a BIT higher (don’t turn this into a 2" ROM!) and use fairly heavy weights. I see this as a triceps movement more than a compound lift.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
CT - Very happy to see you posting in the forums lately. Thank you.
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It’s only because my wife is working and I have to kill time 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
CT - Very happy to see you posting in the forums lately. Thank you.
[/quote]
Agreed.
maybe it will change the air around here.[/quote]
I don’t know how the air has been, but I’ll do my best to help out any way I can!
Then, please extend the thanks to your wife.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
CT - Very happy to see you posting in the forums lately. Thank you.
[/quote]
It’s only because my wife is working and I have to kill time ;)[/quote]
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
CT - Very happy to see you posting in the forums lately. Thank you.
[/quote]
Agreed.
maybe it will change the air around here.[/quote]
I don’t know how the air has been, but I’ll do my best to help out any way I can![/quote]
Much like a gym…someone farts and tries to run fast enough to escape it…but it just funks up the joint.
Please help us open a window.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Then, please extend the thanks to your wife.
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Will do… if I can get to see her, our schedules are highly mistimed!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Much like a gym…someone farts and tries to run fast enough to escape it…but it just funks up the joint.
Please help us open a window.[/quote]
I don’t know if I can open a window, but I’ll do my best at least not to compound the farting
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^do you do dips? Bench or parallel bar?
If so do you consider this a triceps movement or does it fall more under the “compound” lift category for you?[/quote]
I like to do bench press variations from pins. If I want to emphasize the triceps more, I will use a higher pins setting (top half of the range of motion) or use the Dead-Squat bar (really improved my triceps since I began using it).
I sometimes do dips. I personally do them mostly for triceps, which means that I do not go all the way down… this overstretch the shoulder and few people can do it long term without ill-effects. I like to do dips going down until the upper arm is parallel to the floor, or even a BIT higher (don’t turn this into a 2" ROM!) and use fairly heavy weights. I see this as a triceps movement more than a compound lift.[/quote]
what body angle do you set yourself at for dips?
If I keep myself upright I feel my tris more, but I feel like I get more shoulder stress. If I lean forward I feel my chest start to take over.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^do you do dips? Bench or parallel bar?
If so do you consider this a triceps movement or does it fall more under the “compound” lift category for you?[/quote]
I like to do bench press variations from pins. If I want to emphasize the triceps more, I will use a higher pins setting (top half of the range of motion) or use the Dead-Squat bar (really improved my triceps since I began using it).
I sometimes do dips. I personally do them mostly for triceps, which means that I do not go all the way down… this overstretch the shoulder and few people can do it long term without ill-effects. I like to do dips going down until the upper arm is parallel to the floor, or even a BIT higher (don’t turn this into a 2" ROM!) and use fairly heavy weights. I see this as a triceps movement more than a compound lift.[/quote]
what body angle do you set yourself at for dips?
If I keep myself upright I feel my tris more, but I feel like I get more shoulder stress. If I lean forward I feel my chest start to take over.[/quote]
^^x2
I adjust my angle depending on what I want to work more. Body angle rocked forward a bit more and I feel it a lot in my “lower” chest. I do this instead of decline movements.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^do you do dips? Bench or parallel bar?
If so do you consider this a triceps movement or does it fall more under the “compound” lift category for you?[/quote]
I like to do bench press variations from pins. If I want to emphasize the triceps more, I will use a higher pins setting (top half of the range of motion) or use the Dead-Squat bar (really improved my triceps since I began using it).
I sometimes do dips. I personally do them mostly for triceps, which means that I do not go all the way down… this overstretch the shoulder and few people can do it long term without ill-effects. I like to do dips going down until the upper arm is parallel to the floor, or even a BIT higher (don’t turn this into a 2" ROM!) and use fairly heavy weights. I see this as a triceps movement more than a compound lift.[/quote]
what body angle do you set yourself at for dips?
If I keep myself upright I feel my tris more, but I feel like I get more shoulder stress. If I lean forward I feel my chest start to take over.[/quote]
^^x2
I adjust my angle depending on what I want to work more. Body angle rocked forward a bit more and I feel it a lot in my “lower” chest. I do this instead of decline movements.
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Me too. despite what everyone says about it, I’ve never been able to really feel dips as a triceps exercise.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
what body angle do you set yourself at for dips?
If I keep myself upright I feel my tris more, but I feel like I get more shoulder stress. If I lean forward I feel my chest start to take over.[/quote]
That is correct for most people, so I keep an upright torso.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
what body angle do you set yourself at for dips?
If I keep myself upright I feel my tris more, but I feel like I get more shoulder stress. If I lean forward I feel my chest start to take over.[/quote]
That is correct for most people, so I keep an upright torso.[/quote]
Maybe I’m just trying to go too deep. I’ll try upright and shallower than I’ve been going next arm day.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
what body angle do you set yourself at for dips?
If I keep myself upright I feel my tris more, but I feel like I get more shoulder stress. If I lean forward I feel my chest start to take over.[/quote]
That is correct for most people, so I keep an upright torso.[/quote]
Maybe I’m just trying to go too deep. I’ll try upright and shallower than I’ve been going next arm day.[/quote]
And keep your elbows tucked to your side, don’t let them flare out.
[quote]TBItruck89 wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
Uh huh.[/quote]
Uh huh = “Puff, you are doing it wrong and so are a lot of other people.”
In my defense, if you take a look at Starting Strength, Rippetoe is also recording his reps and sets like I do. At least that’s how I interpreted it. When someone is talking 5 x 5 then who can say. [/quote]
Haha, yeah, I could see the ambiguity with that set/rep scheme, but if you look at 99% of programs written by successful strength coaches, they write things in a “set x reps” format.[/quote]
Boris Sheiko uses reps x sets, threw me for a loop at first[/quote]
I have always recorded weight x reps x sets. All the written programs were expressed this way when I began training. I believe I first noticed the change in the early-mid 90s.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]TBItruck89 wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
Uh huh.[/quote]
Uh huh = “Puff, you are doing it wrong and so are a lot of other people.”
In my defense, if you take a look at Starting Strength, Rippetoe is also recording his reps and sets like I do. At least that’s how I interpreted it. When someone is talking 5 x 5 then who can say. [/quote]
Haha, yeah, I could see the ambiguity with that set/rep scheme, but if you look at 99% of programs written by successful strength coaches, they write things in a “set x reps” format.[/quote]
Boris Sheiko uses reps x sets, threw me for a loop at first[/quote]
I have always recorded weight x reps x sets. All the written programs were expressed this way when I began training. I believe I first noticed the change in the early-mid 90s. [/quote]
Thanks. That’s interesting, and it might explain why no one ever corrected me when I was keeping a log. Either that, or they were too polite to ask me why I was doing so many sets of 3 or 4 all the time.
Related —
Christian mentioned that many people get a lot of bicep work while trying to train their back. This has been a big frustration for me. I can turn almost anything into a bicep move - or a biceps and forearms move, which might explain why I don’t have much lat development. It’s not always possible, but it’s better if I can find a way to take my hands out of a movement. I’ve had some success using ab straps on the horizontal cable row so I’m pulling more from the elbow.
Also, DB pullovers seem to help me with lat activation as my hands are just a platform for the DB, no grip required. I saw a video of Penny Price McIntosh doing pullups with wrist straps. I’ve never tried straps of any kind, but I’ve wondered if it might help me actually hit my lats more.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Christian mentioned that many people get a lot of bicep work while trying to train their back. This has been a big frustration for me. I can turn almost anything into a bicep move - or a biceps and forearms move, which might explain why I don’t have much lat development. It’s not always possible, but it’s better if I can find a way to take my hands out of a movement. I’ve had some success using ab straps on the horizontal cable row so I’m pulling more from the elbow.
Also, DB pullovers seem to help me with lat activation as my hands are just a platform for the DB, no grip required. I saw a video of Penny Price McIntosh doing pullups with wrist straps. I’ve never tried straps of any kind, but I’ve wondered if it might help me actually hit my lats more.
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The straps WILL help. The more you can keep the hands relaxed when doing pulling exercises, the less the arms will have a tendency to kick in. That is due to a phenomenon called irradiation: the contraction of a muscle will lead to a contraction in the surrounding muscles.
So the harder your grip a bar when pulling, the more the forearms and arms will take over. Thats one of the reasons why women have a hard time hitting their back: they normally have smaller hands and a weaker grip: so when pulling they have to grip extra hard which does what? Increase biceps activation.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
what body angle do you set yourself at for dips?
If I keep myself upright I feel my tris more, but I feel like I get more shoulder stress. If I lean forward I feel my chest start to take over.[/quote]
That is correct for most people, so I keep an upright torso.[/quote]
Maybe I’m just trying to go too deep. I’ll try upright and shallower than I’ve been going next arm day.[/quote]
And keep your elbows tucked to your side, don’t let them flare out.[/quote]
If you’re having trouble you could also try doing your first few reps with slow negatives… Might help you feel the 'ceps a little more.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The straps WILL help. The more you can keep the hands relaxed when doing pulling exercises, the less the arms will have a tendency to kick in. That is due to a phenomenon called irradiation: the contraction of a muscle will lead to a contraction in the surrounding muscles.
So the harder your grip a bar when pulling, the more the forearms and arms will take over. Thats one of the reasons why women have a hard time hitting their back: they normally have smaller hands and a weaker grip: so when pulling they have to grip extra hard which does what? Increase biceps activation.[/quote]
that’s brilliant. Thibaudeau you’re a genius.
is that why some people use a thumbless grip on back exercises then? I’d always just dismissed it.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
is that why some people use a thumbless grip on back exercises then? I’d always just dismissed it.[/quote]
Yes, that is the exact reason. Some people do it and they don’t know the reason… it just makes them feel their back more…they do not make the connection between a looser grip and a better back activation.