Should I Realistically Take Steroids?

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Perhaps I was not specific enough. I would like more detail than “squats and cable machine work.”

How many days per week do you go to the gym?

What sort of sets and reps are you doing?

Have you looked into any techniques that might help you get more out of less weight? Pre-exhaust, very high reps, etc…maybe someone like @EyeDentist or @yogi could be helpful in this regard; both have managed to build impressive physiques while dealing with some injury problems thanks to creative ways to maximize the amount of work done with minimal weight.

You’re getting defensive, which isn’t surprising, and is telling. We are sympathetic to the fact that you may have injuries; what you need to do, instead of leaning on them as an excuse for why you need steroids to gain muscle, is figure out how to train your body effectively in spite of said injuries.

We also haven’t addressed nutrition yet. What have you been eating? Precisely, not just “some chicken and rice.” Give us details.

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How I’d personally tackle such important decision
1.What’s your ideal physique?Any pictures?
Different physique goals reqiure you to focus more on different body parts.Also you have something to shoot for
2.How should you adjust your training to look like that?Are you doing everything perfect as far as these two are concerned?
3.Do I make progress?If not and aquiring that phisyque is THAT important to me then I’d consider drugs

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Now, in fairness, this guy only has 1 bad wrist

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Yeah sorry … not trying to be rude. I appreciate everybody’s help. I was doing stronglifts squat progression… then doing cable flys,side and front raises for shoulders, and curls and pushdowns for tri’s. Eating 3,000 calories a day built up of 50 carb 25 fat and 25 protein.

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Well that told me :smile:

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Unless you have bizarre medical condition and you are not making gains natural, steriods will do very little for you.
Have you ever had to throw up before a hard squat or deadlift workout.
They are last resort and people who train aggressively are only ones who should use them , as they do have negative side effects.
They do help but im not hitting a Mlb pitch if i take them, which so peopl think, not magic.

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Heavy lifting programs are great, they give you the most bang for your buck in terms of strength and hypertrophy, but not everyone thrives on it all the time. Some guys seem to be able to lift hard and heavy, all the time, especially if they are 18-34. Others who try this approach all the time get chronic injuries, even if they juice.

Volume training with more managable weights and more sets is another approach, it does work. You can intersperse it with a heavy workout every 2nd or 3rd time depending upon how you recover.
Alternatively you could train high volume exclusively for 4-6weeks, then go back to heavier lifting for a similar time.
For volume training- slower, smoother reps, focusing on your muscles being worked rather than max weight lifted. Add steroids its even more effective than without.

I think steroids can help with an injury, especially a chronic one, but you will be better off if you have found out what the underlying cause is, and remedied it with physio, corrective exercise, or modifying your form with your existing exercises before adding juice.

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thanks too you both… very helpful.

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You definitely need to work out your injuries before starting a cycle. Exogenous test is going to bulk/strengthen your major muscle groups quickly but not your connective tissues. This means you will be MORE prone to injury if something is already wrong.

That being said, if you feel this is not a concern then its a personal choice. Keep in mind you run a risk of majorly screwing up your HPTA, possibly creating ED issues, etc. I know this is a pharma forum but I’ve seen many folks that are uneducated try a cycle, lose their gains, and end up worse than before they started.

My advice, is to research a ton over the next couple weeks, become a novice in the department and decide from there.

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Approaching 30 huh? You poor old bastard. I’m 32 and just did my first bodybuilding competitions this year, natural, after getting in the gym like 4 years ago. MAN UP! JEEZ!

Listen, just my honest opinion without knowing you and just reading your posts, you seem to make a lot of excuses. I think doing a cycle would be a terrible idea considering your training and nutrition isn’t consistent at all, you’ll only be screwing with your health. There’s nothing magical or mystical about it, it’s not like the laws of thermodynamics cease in your body. Train smart and consistency, eat smart and consistently, you’ll grow a ton of muscle. Whatever your injuries are, you can easily work around them, you don’t have to do any exercises that will aggravate or cause injury. [quote=“dimebag87, post:10, topic:223805, full:true”]
Tried 531… cant… Too much pain. Can squat and do shitty light weights on the cable machine for upper body. Not going to help me get where i want to be really is it?
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Here you are being a tool to someone who tried to give you advice, making your lack of drive and consistency seem like their problem. If you want a good physique, get on a bodybuilding style split plan, get your nutrition in order, do that consistency for a few years and you should look pretty good. You don’t need to do 5/3/1 or super heavy compound movements to develop a well rounded, toned physique.

No, no it isn’t, because rather than just grab the bull by the horns and take control of your physique, you’d rather make excuses, whine and resort to steroids without having ever executed a training and nutrition plan consistently, wanting all the results without putting in the time.

Not trying to be aggressive here man but I’m not gonna sugar coat it and shove sunshine up your butt. You need to stop making excuses, figure out a workout plan you can execute that works for you and any injuries you need to deal with, get your nutrition together and make it happen. The fact that you think because you’re approaching 30 means it’ll be harder or take longer shows your inexperience. Would it have been more advantageous to start earlier? Sure. But it’s not too late, not even close.

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TLDR sorry if already said buuuut

if you asking, you know the answer is no.

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It sounds like you are trying to self justify yourself and make excuses so then you can hear us tell you what you want to hear so you can do a cycle.

They say you can gain up to 20-25 lb of muscle first year of lifting, then half of that a year after then another half the next following years up to a point where muscle gain stagnates. I have been lifting for 8+ years and around year 5 i was still seeing progress though very miniscule, building muscle naturally takes a hell of a time dedication and patience, and people tend to forget this.

Furthermore a lot of people forget what a naturally maxed out body builder is actually suppose to look like, google eugen sandow steroids did not exist when he was alive also not much info on bodybuilding techniques or types of excercises for maximum muscle development but he is pretty much maxed out natty, there are some guys that do look better but this is all genetics based.

Taking steroids just for vanity look is never the answer and it is dumb, if you do not do proper research and i mean PROPER not just go on google and read about it for 30 minutes type of research, go on multiple legitimate boards not boards that like to promote their products like evolutionary, go on reddit, go on steroids.com and read about what others experiences were what they took how and why and learn how to properly run a cycle because if you just hop on this shit and listen to your buddy i promise you will regret it.

Misuse of steroids even at small dosages can cause you to lose control of your prostate, you will get acnea and post acnea blow outs, you will get sentimental and paranoid, you will get depressed when you lose gains and stop going to gym all together, stretch marks, gyno and post pct gyno… man theres so much more bad stuff i can mention but this is just some of the most common.

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amphetamines did though. And natural test levels were probably triple then what they are now.

He was also the first reported photo shopper (he used ash to bring out his definition).

Comparing Eugene to todays lifters is like comparing enhanced to nattys, quite literally.

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he used cocaine i am not sure if he did use adderall that is not 100% confirmed

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Push or drag sled with a harness if necessary.

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Sounds like you need physical therapy or a trainer not juice. All jokes aside juicing on a injury is a waste. Unless you know exactly whats hurt and you are using it corectly to rehab/repair the injury.

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What EXACTLY is wrong with your “bad wrists”?

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So grown men were walking around with T values of 1500 to 2400 ng/dl on average. Interesting…

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Its true that they have declined the past couple decades. But not 3x. Men were averaging 100-200ng/dl higher several decades ago. Certainly not enough to make everyone an Adonis.

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I promise he had no use for adderall if he had access to cocaine

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