I have to agree with VT with respect to the healthcare system. Many doctors put “lining their pockets” ahead of the easiest solution. The system is in shambles and fraud profligates tbroughout the system.
Let me also be clear in that I’m not knocking pellets. I’m just cynical of doctors in general. Apologies Matty if I rubbed you the wrong way…
[quote]late2thegame wrote:
I have to agree with VT with respect to the healthcare system. Many doctors put “lining their pockets” ahead of the easiest solution. The system is in shambles and fraud profligates tbroughout the system.
Let me also be clear in that I’m not knocking pellets. I’m just cynical of doctors in general. Apologies Matty if I rubbed you the wrong way…[/quote]
I think you hit upon the main reason it is so difficult to find a doctor who will let us self-inject. There is very little upside monetarily speaking. Pellets bring in significant revenue so the doctor can set up a nice little annuity on a quarterly basis. Although I did talk to several HRT “specialists” who wanted somewhere around $500 per month for weekly injections in their office only. Self-injections were out of the question. I figure my total now is about $20 a month, everything included.
VT - Point taken, I guess I was just using my personal view, I can see the ease of use with injections especially the autonomy of it, I can see how that can be comforting as well. With blood testing and injections my cost usually is 45 bucks every 10-12 weeks.
Undone - I agree with you totally I have the same experience, I do consider myself lucky in having a doc that seems amenable to my requests and leave in a possibly more “progressive” medical area so to speak.
[quote]late2thegame wrote:
I have to agree with VT with respect to the healthcare system. Many doctors put “lining their pockets” ahead of the easiest solution. The system is in shambles and fraud profligates tbroughout the system.
Let me also be clear in that I’m not knocking pellets. I’m just cynical of doctors in general. Apologies Matty if I rubbed you the wrong way…[/quote]
Nah no way dude! Im happy to have this forum as a resource…the only thing that pisses me off about you is your failure to update your log! 
So It will be exactly 3 weeks tomorrow I began pellets. 12 Testopel pellets.
It took good 2 weeks to begin to “feel” it. Now it seems to be nice and level.
Morning wood, nocturnal erections etc all have returned.
I feel great.
FOr me, the pellets are way cheaper then the gel.
I was having wild swings on the gel which was requiring monthly labs.
My E2 was spiking up and down on the gel.
I am reluctant to try A-Dex
I will get tested in 2 weeks so I will know where I stand, BUT I will say I feel good, and I am no longer having the sleep disturbances and flushed face, the acne is better almost gone. I have a feeling my E2 is i check, but I will let you guys know when I know.
As far as being “sliced open” lol thats like me saying you guys who uses shots harpoon yourselves.
Really there is no cutting, its a trocar, which is basically a big hollow needle and the pellets which are the size of rice grans slide down the hole.
The procedure took a total of 5 minutes, was painless and after a week I didn’t even know I had it. No bruising.
We should all keep an open mind to all forms of therapy and we owe it to ourselves to try things as they come out.
Pellets have been around since the 1950’s
PS-I went to Dr. Mellenger also, he is GREAT! but a little too far for me to travel to
I will throw my 2 cents in on the subject of pellets. I was on pellets for over 2 1/2 years with very good success, I just stopped and had my first IM injection 1 1/2 weeks ago. I was getting 14 pellets at a time in 3 tracks (5, 5, 4) and had this done 6 times. I had to stop due to the formation of scar tissue on both the right and left sides and started to have extrusion and pain after the last insertion. The scar tissue made it very difficult to get the pellets in and to stay in. My levels seemed to stay normal for about 3 months during the insertion but the 4 weeks after insertion and 4 weeks on the decline (before next insertion appt) low T was definitely noticed. No issues with E2 but it seems I need to get regulated on the shots as I am having estradiol issues at the moment. Just got levels drawn today to see where I am at.
OK got my labs back today 4 weeks on Pellets:
Total T 905
Free T 108
E2 62
A1C 4.9
Glucose 95
Creatnine 1.0
Bilirubin 1.1
Albumin 4.9
ALT 36
AST 19
Hemoglobin 18.1
Total Cholestrol 235
HDL 33
LDL 170
Trig 111
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what ref range on the E2 test?
any issues/concerns/symptoms of high E2?
<edit: lol, that’ll teach me to read/respond to posts from oldest to newest. I saw VT had the exact same questions on the other thread>
[quote]PureChance wrote:
what ref range on the E2 test?
any issues/concerns/symptoms of high E2?[/quote]
E2 should be under 55.
A few months ago total T was 450 and E2 was 68, so he said that my E2 actually came down despite T more then doubling which is very good. He thinks I don’t need to address the E2 since I feel good.
But I have A-dex so I am taking it anyway. This week I started 1/4 mg twice a week. Very low dose, will see how I do.
[quote]PureChance wrote:
what ref range on the E2 test?
any issues/concerns/symptoms of high E2?
<edit: lol, that’ll teach me to read/respond to posts from oldest to newest. I saw VT had the exact same questions on the other thread>[/quote]
I don’t have the blood work papers, got the results verbally. But the ranges are standard for these labs. Meaning total T 950 is great no matter how you slice it. E2 range, under 55 for a male, etc. etc. There is nothing here unusual.
Some posters on here seem to have a touch of"Roid Rage" and tend to be argumentative, lol.
Also, those same people have some bias towards shots and are very anti- Pellets.
I am very happy with pellets.
On gels, my total T was 1050 and E2 was 95.
My insurance covers the pellets, but even if it didn’t, it would still be cheaper then androgel.
i’ve thought about pellets especially when I was injecting both HCG and T-Cyp every other day.
the reason I was asking about the ref range is that there is a common concensus that the E2 test that simply states <50 is not realiable to use for men. The one with the range of 4 to 60 (or something similar) provides the best results.
[quote]jonboyohboy wrote:
[quote]PureChance wrote:
what ref range on the E2 test?
any issues/concerns/symptoms of high E2?
<edit: lol, that’ll teach me to read/respond to posts from oldest to newest. I saw VT had the exact same questions on the other thread>[/quote]
I don’t have the blood work papers, got the results verbally. But the ranges are standard for these labs. Meaning total T 950 is great no matter how you slice it. E2 range, under 55 for a male, etc. etc. There is nothing here unusual.
Some posters on here seem to have a touch of"Roid Rage" and tend to be argumentative, lol.
Also, those same people have some bias towards shots and are very anti- Pellets.
I am very happy with pellets.
On gels, my total T was 1050 and E2 was 95.
My insurance covers the pellets, but even if it didn’t, it would still be cheaper then androgel.
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I don’t think roid rage has anything to do with it. People are just voicing their opinion and experiences. If you take everything into account and compare shots vs pellets, the only advantage pellets have IMO is you don’t have to pin yourself weekly. But that could hardly be called an advantage since with shots you have total control along with the slight inconvenience of having to pin.
What other advantage would there be over shots that I am failing to see?
Higher cost, inconsistent dosing as the pellets wear off, more invasive procedure than using a slin pin. You don’t even have the benefit of not having to take an AI. E2 at 65 (if you have the correct test) is most definitely not optimal according to tnation.
How often will you get blood work? I am interested to see how these pellets work the 4 months and what kind of drop off you will experience.
I have been on the pellets now for 7 months. They spiked a little at first and then I was dialed in. There are more sides then just e that go along with test shots and gel that you dont get with the pellets alone.
Pellets are safer and more steady than shots or gel; if only being used to maintain a normal level.
Dont get me wrong though I pin twice a week (test e 250mg), along with an ed shot (tren a 75mg). With the amount released from the implants that gives me close to 650mg test a week. Works good for my cycle. The best part is when I come off of my cycle I still have a steady release of test monitered by a doc, to keep me level. Then when (or if) you come off the pellets they give you a legal serm and moniter you to make sure everything kicks back in correctly.
[quote]iroczinoz wrote:
I don’t think roid rage has anything to do with it. People are just voicing their opinion and experiences.
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Exactly, its more a low tolerance for stupidity than anything. Hasn’t changed since my T levels were in the tank vs now when they are over 1000. lol
But I guess there is some value in putting your numbers twice in two different posts in the exact same forum without clarifying the ranges, which vary wildly from lab to lab…multiple conversations without a central point of reference and guesses on ranges and assay methods is definitely productive and conducive to knowledge sharing.
Ive been on pellets for about a year. I asked the doc to give me 14 pellets about 4 months ago. About 2 weeks ago, I felt like they were wearing off so I asked for 10 more. I got my labs back…My T level is 1649 and E level is 74. Doc is concerned about the high T level but not concerned about the High E level. Bottom line question…What should my E level be when I have such high T? I very much appreciate thoughts from this forum.
G500 - please start your own thread with your questions. we don’t want to hijack jons thread.
[quote]PureChance wrote:
G500 - please start your own thread with your questions. we don’t want to hijack jons thread.
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While I was hoping to hear from anyone on the pellet topic, I was really hoping to hear from Jon most of all as I have been following this thread for awhile. Come on…Good grief…Not hijacking at all. As a matter of fact…This particular thread is the reason for my first post.
[quote]g500 wrote:
[quote]PureChance wrote:
G500 - please start your own thread with your questions. we don’t want to hijack jons thread.
[/quote]
While I was hoping to hear from anyone on the pellet topic, I was really hoping to hear from Jon most of all as I have been following this thread for awhile. Come on…Good grief…Not hijacking at all. As a matter of fact…This particular thread is the reason for my first post.[/quote]
Your not hijacking, this is a thread concerning pellets (an unpopular subject around here).
My total T is 900 and I am thinking its too high to be honest.
Im feeling more flushed and red in the face and red palms and soles of my feet. My E2 was 65.
[quote]g500 wrote:
Ive been on pellets for about a year. I asked the doc to give me 14 pellets about 4 months ago. About 2 weeks ago, I felt like they were wearing off so I asked for 10 more. I got my labs back…My T level is 1649 and E level is 74. Doc is concerned about the high T level but not concerned about the High E level. Bottom line question…What should my E level be when I have such high T? I very much appreciate thoughts from this forum.[/quote]
That does sound too high. I feel like I’m too high at 900.
The doctor told me higher T will tolerate higher E2
It sounds logical, but want will disagree.
Jon your est level IS to high. More than likley that is what is causing you discomfort. Your est level should be under 40; ideally between 20 and 30. Your test levels at 900 are spot on. Those are the levels of a 19yr old & is where a hormone replacment specialist would try to hold you.
G500 your est level should be around or under 40 as I just stated to Jon; your test level is high but that is not necessarily a bad thing as far as body building. You should be feelind alfa; if not start taking aromasin 12.5 mg eod to ed and this should help you both out with your est levels.