Shooting the Koran - Good or Bad?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
conorh wrote:
guffaw

“Hey guys, yuck yuck, check out what I did to this here Ko-Ran! Harr-dee-harr-harr”

This is how I imagine this scene being played out. I don’t particularly respect Islam, any more than I do any other religion. I do, however, have a certain level of decorum that I maintain and that I expect those around me to. This is clearly childish inappropriate behavior.

Just because other people have committed much worse attrocities does not excuse inappropriate behavior in response, regardless of the magnitude. When I was doing NROTC, I was instructed that part of leadership is maintaining professionalism and decorum and not allowing things like this to happen, regardless of your personal feelings.

In my experience, NROTC was where self-obsessed O-3 SWOs and NFOs got their chance to go to B-School before getting out and O-6s who won’t make flag rank got to play tennis all day before retiring. I have to say, I learned nothing of practical value about leadership from my officer instructors. Actually, I take that back. I learned how NOT to lead from them.

In reality, the groveling done by the chain of command for this particular incident is yet another breakdown in leadership. A book was shot up, yet we must have the usual announcements from Bush on down about how we are not at war with Islam (even though it is at war with us), and how detrimental to “winning hearts and minds” such actions are by our armed forces. Such groveling is interpreted as weakness by the Arabs and is not respected or appreciated.
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You’ll get no argument from me, really. I was just expressing how, in my mind, this is more a breakdown of common decency than it is any greater reflection on society, or even worse ethnocentric or partisan us-versus-“them”-ing.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:

Often times, we hear about the “home of the brave”, and I can’t help but wonder what America’s reaction would be if a deadlier attack occured (think fighter jets dropping bombs). I mean, if the “Patriot” was passed in 2001 because of a bunch of cutter-waving crimimals, what would the state turn into in case something bigger happens.

Jesus H. Christ! You are SO caught up in you anti-Americanism that you can’t write 2 paragraphs without taking a swipe at the US.
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As long as he keeps his cyber jihad against the U.S. I will continue to point of the violence, hate and murder perpetuated on the world by his muslim brethren. For what ever the wrongs of the U.S. are, muslims have heaped far more misery upon the world and continue to do so daily.

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[quote]etaco wrote:
The soldier willfully committed an act detrimental to the mission. The soldier should face disciplinary action.

So what’s controversial here?[/quote]

Lixy thinks he should be beheaded.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Lixy thinks he should be beheaded. [/quote]

I think the US military should kick him out. I also think American soldiers should get out of Iraq.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Such groveling is interpreted as weakness by the Arabs and is not respected or appreciated.
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That is true. In those cultures, such behavior is exactly as you put it. If only more people understood that we are dealing with people who think so differently from us, its almost like 2 different universes.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Lixy thinks he should be beheaded.

I think the US military should kick him out. I also think American soldiers should get out of Iraq.

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Why do you think he shot the book? He hoped someone would hear of it and he’d be kicked out. If he gets a bad discharge, he can explain why and most employers would chuckle and hire such a brilliant/spirited guy. He’s got Corporal Klinger (MASH) beat all to hell.

If he’s qualified, I’d hire such an innovative person to teach in my department. He’s fucking brilliant!!

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Lixy thinks he should be beheaded.

I think the US military should kick him out. I also think American soldiers should get out of Iraq.

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We’ll leave when we get the place stable, which can’t be soon enough for me, but we aren’t going to have gone to all that trouble only to turn it over to al qada, that’d be dumber than going there in the first place.

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Tell us your exit strategy Lixy. How you would do it, nothing else. No whining about Washington, just YOUR plan. I think they should all get to come home too by the way. If the soldiers all got on a plane and came home tomorrow what do you suppose the consequences would be? Or if that happened and GWB apologized would there peace and enlightenment in the middle east. I think fucking not.

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
Tell us your exit strategy Lixy. How you would do it, nothing else. No whining about Washington, just YOUR plan. I think they should all get to come home too by the way. If the soldiers all got on a plane and came home tomorrow what do you suppose the consequences would be? Or if that happened and GWB apologized would there peace and enlightenment in the middle east. I think fucking not. [/quote]

He’d give it to al aqaeda…

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
Tell us your exit strategy Lixy. How you would do it, nothing else. No whining about Washington, just YOUR plan. I think they should all get to come home too by the way. If the soldiers all got on a plane and came home tomorrow what do you suppose the consequences would be? Or if that happened and GWB apologized would there peace and enlightenment in the middle east. I think fucking not. [/quote]

This is not about the Middle-East. It’s about Iraq. I was among the millions around the world to scream and shout that the US should leave Iraq alone. Nobody listened and everything we were predicting came true. Iraq turned into a terrorist haven. I don’t have an “exit strategy” because for me, you shouldn’t be there in the first place. Your government took advantage of your fear and here we are.

You have to realize that as long as you’re there, and there is a single Iraqi standing, he/she will be shooting at you. The current government is illegitimate and any medium-term peace passes through the Shi’a block (i.e: Al-Sadr). And what does the US do? Isolate Muqtada and further alienate him and his followers. Not to mention the incessant jabs at Iran’s inalienable right to enrich uranium.

You shouldn’t have been there in the first place, so get the hell out at once. That’s the only “strategy” you need. As long as you’re there, imbecile soldiers will continue to abuse and kill innocents and there’s nothing you can do about it. When you dispatch teenagers to a hellhole and give them fancy weapons, they will plunder and behave like brats. So do us all a favor, and remove the rationale for terror groups to continue operating in Iraq. Once you do that, Iraqis will not tolerate them any longer. A power struggle will ensue, and you need to let the people of the land figure it out. It’s none of your business who comes out on top. Saudis will continue sending billions to the Sunnis to weaken the Shi’a separatists in their country. And Iran will continue its backing of some factions of the Shi’a block. If the emerging government decides to kick void the juicy contracts you handed out to your croonies, it’s their right to do so. If they want to trade oil in euro, it’s none of your business either.

You don’t own the world! Quit behaving like you do or the consequences will be dire. And don’t come bitching the day the oppressed decide to strike back. You squandered any sympathy capital you had. The chickens will come home to roost. It’s a matter of time. And the longer your soldiers continue to shoot at Qurans in Iraq and rape little girls, the more people you’re pissing off.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
… The current government is illegitimate…[/quote]

You mean the one elected by the Iraqi people?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Tell us your exit strategy Lixy. How you would do it, nothing else. No whining about Washington, just YOUR plan. I think they should all get to come home too by the way. If the soldiers all got on a plane and came home tomorrow what do you suppose the consequences would be? Or if that happened and GWB apologized would there peace and enlightenment in the middle east. I think fucking not.

This is not about the Middle-East. It’s about Iraq. I was among the millions around the world to scream and shout that the US should leave Iraq alone. Nobody listened and everything we were predicting came true. Iraq turned into a terrorist haven. I don’t have an “exit strategy” because for me, you shouldn’t be there in the first place. Your government took advantage of your fear and here we are.

You have to realize that as long as you’re there, and there is a single Iraqi standing, he/she will be shooting at you. The current government is illegitimate and any medium-term peace passes through the Shi’a block (i.e: Al-Sadr). And what does the US do? Isolate Muqtada and further alienate him and his followers. Not to mention the incessant jabs at Iran’s inalienable right to enrich uranium.

You shouldn’t have been there in the first place, so get the hell out at once. That’s the only “strategy” you need. As long as you’re there, imbecile soldiers will continue to abuse and kill innocents and there’s nothing you can do about it. When you dispatch teenagers to a hellhole and give them fancy weapons, they will plunder and behave like brats. So do us all a favor, and remove the rationale for terror groups to continue operating in Iraq. Once you do that, Iraqis will not tolerate them any longer. A power struggle will ensue, and you need to let the people of the land figure it out. It’s none of your business who comes out on top. Saudis will continue sending billions to the Sunnis to weaken the Shi’a separatists in their country. And Iran will continue its backing of some factions of the Shi’a block. If the emerging government decides to kick void the juicy contracts you handed out to your croonies, it’s their right to do so. If they want to trade oil in euro, it’s none of your business either.

You don’t own the world! Quit behaving like you do or the consequences will be dire. And don’t come bitching the day the oppressed decide to strike back. You squandered any sympathy capital you had. The chickens will come home to roost. It’s a matter of time. And the longer your soldiers continue to shoot at Qurans in Iraq and rape little girls, the more people you’re pissing off.[/quote]

You know, lixy, my friend just got back from a deployment there. He said there was quite a bit of inshallah fatalism and man-boy love amongst Arab “men.” The Arab “men”, he said, didn’t like to work and just wanted handouts from us (that is, the US). He also remarked on the male orgies on Thursday evenings in preparation for Friday prayers.

Considering what we have to work with, I think we’re doing pretty darn well.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
… The current government is illegitimate…

You mean the one elected by the Iraqi people? [/quote]

Yes, that one…Let’s dig up Saddam, reattach his head and put a cigar in his mouth.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Tell us your exit strategy Lixy. How you would do it, nothing else. No whining about Washington, just YOUR plan. I think they should all get to come home too by the way. If the soldiers all got on a plane and came home tomorrow what do you suppose the consequences would be? Or if that happened and GWB apologized would there peace and enlightenment in the middle east. I think fucking not.

This is not about the Middle-East. It’s about Iraq. I was among the millions around the world to scream and shout that the US should leave Iraq alone. Nobody listened and everything we were predicting came true. Iraq turned into a terrorist haven. I don’t have an “exit strategy” because for me, you shouldn’t be there in the first place. Your government took advantage of your fear and here we are.

You have to realize that as long as you’re there, and there is a single Iraqi standing, he/she will be shooting at you. The current government is illegitimate and any medium-term peace passes through the Shi’a block (i.e: Al-Sadr). And what does the US do? Isolate Muqtada and further alienate him and his followers. Not to mention the incessant jabs at Iran’s inalienable right to enrich uranium.

You shouldn’t have been there in the first place, so get the hell out at once. That’s the only “strategy” you need. As long as you’re there, imbecile soldiers will continue to abuse and kill innocents and there’s nothing you can do about it. When you dispatch teenagers to a hellhole and give them fancy weapons, they will plunder and behave like brats. So do us all a favor, and remove the rationale for terror groups to continue operating in Iraq. Once you do that, Iraqis will not tolerate them any longer. A power struggle will ensue, and you need to let the people of the land figure it out. It’s none of your business who comes out on top. Saudis will continue sending billions to the Sunnis to weaken the Shi’a separatists in their country. And Iran will continue its backing of some factions of the Shi’a block. If the emerging government decides to kick void the juicy contracts you handed out to your croonies, it’s their right to do so. If they want to trade oil in euro, it’s none of your business either.

You don’t own the world! Quit behaving like you do or the consequences will be dire. And don’t come bitching the day the oppressed decide to strike back. You squandered any sympathy capital you had. The chickens will come home to roost. It’s a matter of time. And the longer your soldiers continue to shoot at Qurans in Iraq and rape little girls, the more people you’re pissing off.[/quote]

So no plan then?

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Lixy you ignorant misguided slut.

“The consequences will be dire”

Fuck you and your ilk. Its always about violence isn’t it. Its what you savage bastards understand and what you reap. Peronally if I was president I wouldn’t be wasting my breath trying to appease you shitbags. You and the other scum have no room to talk about anyone else’s transgressions, aggressions or grievances, clean up your own damned house. Did you ever once stop to think that if the terrorist dumbshits would stop attacking and let the infrastructure get rebuilt we would leave. Then they could come in when were gone and undermine everything without us there.

If I was a terrorist thats the way I would play it. Lay low and let it get built and most of the troops pulled out, then come back hard. The last thing in the world these cocksuckers want is us to go home. They thrive on the drama and chaos because they are the scumwhores of the world that can’t do anything else. This is what gives them their sense of belonging to something. They don’t want us to leave, they love the attention. Even though its the same attention a terd in a punchbowl receives.

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[quote]btm62 wrote:

If I was a terrorist thats the way I would play it. Lay low and let it get built and most of the troops pulled out, then come back hard. [/quote]

The people we are dealing with are too darn stupid to think this rational.

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
The last thing in the world these cocksuckers want is us to go home. They thrive on the drama and chaos because they are the scumwhores of the world that can’t do anything else. This is what gives them their sense of belonging to something.
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Excellent accessment.

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Concrete and fresh example of why US troops should leave Iraq ASAP. Apologizing for a soldier shooting at a book (however how Holy) is one thing. Expecting people to forgive the murder of defenseless women and children is plain stupid.

US strike ‘kills Iraqi civilians’

[i]Eight civilians have been killed in an air strike by US military helicopters north of Baghdad, Iraqi police say.

Two children were among those who died in the attack on Wednesday evening near the town of Baiji, the police said.

Baiji’s police chief said the attack targeted a group of shepherds in a farming area. The US military said the incident was under investigation.

In other violence, an Iraqi TV cameraman is reported to have been shot dead in crossfire in Baghdad.

A US military spokeswoman, Lt Col Maura Gillen, said one of its helicopters fired in the Baiji area after noting “suspicious activity”, and she said people travelling in a car had ignored warnings to stop their vehicle.

Locals said some of those killed had been people running away on foot after the US forces entered the area.

A local man, Ghafil Rashed, told Reuters that his brother and son had been killed in the attack: “The Americans raided our houses… People started fleeing with their children, then the aircraft started bombing people in a street along the farm.” [/i]

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[quote]lixy wrote:

This is not about the Middle-East. It’s about Iraq. I was among the millions around the world to scream and shout that the US should leave Iraq alone. Nobody listened and everything we were predicting came true. Iraq turned into a terrorist haven. I don’t have an “exit strategy” because for me, you shouldn’t be there in the first place. Your government took advantage of your fear and here we are.

You have to realize that as long as you’re there, and there is a single Iraqi standing, he/she will be shooting at you. The current government is illegitimate and any medium-term peace passes through the Shi’a block (i.e: Al-Sadr). And what does the US do? Isolate Muqtada and further alienate him and his followers. Not to mention the incessant jabs at Iran’s inalienable right to enrich uranium.

You shouldn’t have been there in the first place, so get the hell out at once. That’s the only “strategy” you need. As long as you’re there, imbecile soldiers will continue to abuse and kill innocents and there’s nothing you can do about it. When you dispatch teenagers to a hellhole and give them fancy weapons, they will plunder and behave like brats. So do us all a favor, and remove the rationale for terror groups to continue operating in Iraq. Once you do that, Iraqis will not tolerate them any longer. A power struggle will ensue, and you need to let the people of the land figure it out. It’s none of your business who comes out on top. Saudis will continue sending billions to the Sunnis to weaken the Shi’a separatists in their country. And Iran will continue its backing of some factions of the Shi’a block. If the emerging government decides to kick void the juicy contracts you handed out to your croonies, it’s their right to do so. If they want to trade oil in euro, it’s none of your business either.

You don’t own the world! Quit behaving like you do or the consequences will be dire. And don’t come bitching the day the oppressed decide to strike back. You squandered any sympathy capital you had. The chickens will come home to roost. It’s a matter of time. And the longer your soldiers continue to shoot at Qurans in Iraq and rape little girls, the more people you’re pissing off.[/quote]

We’ll stop policing the world when you children stop misbehaving. What a bunch of non-logically thinking bitches. Why can’t these nutjob terrorists just RELAX.

If I were living in some sand-covered shithole ruled by a dictator and the U.S. came and captured him and blew shit up, and some nutjob asked me if I wanted to become a suicide bomber, I’d be like: “No thanks!” Then I’d try to figure out a way to leave my sand-covered shithole and move somewhere nice…like the U.S. Although Europe would probably be easier for starters. Either way I’d eventually retire on a beach and get drunk looking at bikini chicks. And bang them if I was still young enough or whatever.

Am I off base here?