[quote]smh_23 wrote:
It’s just that now, people are noticing.
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This part I don’t buy. (I don’t argue with your other points because I largely agree it has no place flying anywhere near a state building, but I don’t think it’s my call, it isn’t my state house. That said, I could argue the moral relativist angle, but it would end up a semantically futile back and forth, and I don’t agree with slavery in any shape or form so it isn’t in my interests to belabor the point.)
I think people have noticed for a long, long time. While they might very well be happy about the flag coming down, do you think if given the choice the victims would be satisfied that the flag coming down was the symbol of their sacrifice?
All I’m saying is: can we not find a better use of our focus here?
I’m not saying your point is wrong or that I disagree with it. I’m saying it is an empty gesture that is ultimately… light in the meaning area.
Someone on the internet reminds me every day I’m a bad person because I’m a white male. That I should feel something for the actions of others that share a skin shade and/or penis in common with me. Does taking down the flag mean I don’t have to any more? No… It doesn’t solve any problem by a symbolic one.
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Yeah, I get this. It is certainly not important WRT the killing. And no, in answer to the question in your second paragraph.
I would simply argue that we have the collective intelligence to focus on much at once. Roof did put the flag in the news, in that very state, and what has been correct all along has not ceased to be correct because people have died tragically.
After awhile, it just gets tiresome…the “fixing” thing. Then again I’m repeating myself.[/quote]
I reckon it’s more tiresome to visit public property and see, in flight, a flag created for a country created for the purpose of nurturing and proliferating the legal chattelhood of black slaves. I, too, repeat myself.
One thing I want to bring up is, when did this become a REPUBLICAN problem? The flag was flown atop the state house on former DEMOCRATIC Senator Earnest “Fritz” Hollings watch in 1962…
All of the old racist segregationists are/were all DEMOCRATS. Bill Clinton signed the bill to fly the Confederate flag over the Arkansas state house.
Didn’t they try to ban the song “Dixie”? Cause it’s RAAAAACIST, right? But they’ve got no problem with hardcore rap music which promotes killing, rape, beating up white people, shooting cops, etc… Cause that’s just “CULTURE”… It’s fucking hypocrisy at it’s finest.
I do not think that the ANV flag had anything to do with the shootings in a church in Charleston. However the Nazi flag never put anyone on a train to a concentration camp either, I would like to see you guys put as much zeal into defending Germany flying that fucker again as you do defending a states right to fly this shitty embarrassing symbol of our nations fuck ups over their state capitols.
If Berlin started flying a Swastika over the Chancellery and said “No man, we’re not celebrating what the Nazis’ did, we’re just respecting our heritage” you’d probably think that’s a bit fucked up, but maybe you wouldn’t so… And before you say I am comparing the pre-war (and in many parts post war) south with Hitlers’ Germany, well yes I am.
What does Hillary say about Bill’s use of the confederate flag as part of his campaign?
Where is the moral outrage from the left on this? Shouldn’t he be apologizing?
OOOOOOHHHH, that’s right - It’s a different set of rules for fucking Liberals, isn’t it?[/quote]
I don’t think so, it was bullshit vote pandering at its’ finest. Of course for Bill Clinton as far as things he should be ashamed of, this is just part of a very long list.
For the record, I agree. The flag didn’t cause this, and removing it doesn’t change the killing. But the killing happened to bring to light [/quote]
But that is the over riding problem.
A monster killed otherwise good people. And what is the reaction? Symbolism? Empty gestures?
Wouldn’t starting a charity in the names of the victims to council troubled youths actually be more meaningful? Wouldn’t donations to the church’s philanthropy be more, I don’t know the word, robust?
What does even thinking about the flag accomplish other than the whole “never let a good crisis go to waste”?
I don’t care if the flag is taken down, and I dont’ care if it flies. The men who fought and died for it came from different time, a different understanding of the world. Wrong? Sure, absolutely. But taking it down solves nothing and you know it too. It solves nothing to do with this shooting, nothing to do with the racial problems in the country and nothing to solve the actual issue… Which in the end is humans are humans. [/quote]
Taking down a flag won’t help prevent the kind of abuse and family dysfunction that forms this kind of sociopath. Charitable actions toward the awareness/prevention of child abuse and promotion of stable 2 parent households is infinitely more useful.
Further, he had a black best friend who knew he was going to do this and even went as far as to hide his gun 1 week earlier, as well as other friends and family who knew he was not mentally stable and did nothing.
His own father gave him the gun after Roof was arrested for drug possession FFS.
How about chastise these fucking assholes to start.
What does Hillary say about Bill’s use of the confederate flag as part of his campaign?
Where is the moral outrage from the left on this? Shouldn’t he be apologizing?
OOOOOOHHHH, that’s right - It’s a different set of rules for fucking Liberals, isn’t it?[/quote]
I don’t think so, it was bullshit vote pandering at its’ finest. Of course for Bill Clinton as far as things he should be ashamed of, this is just part of a very long list. [/quote]
Well if the Confederate flag is a “racist” symbol, and Bill Clinton and Al Gore BOTH identified with that symbol to appeal to voters, why are they being given a pass? I don’t care how long ago it was.
Wasn’t a republican recently crucified by the MEDIA for attending a lunch where ONE of the guests was a KKK member? Ten or twelve years ago? This just illustrates the fucking double standard of Progressives.
What does Hillary say about Bill’s use of the confederate flag as part of his campaign?
Where is the moral outrage from the left on this? Shouldn’t he be apologizing?
OOOOOOHHHH, that’s right - It’s a different set of rules for fucking Liberals, isn’t it?[/quote]
I don’t think so, it was bullshit vote pandering at its’ finest. Of course for Bill Clinton as far as things he should be ashamed of, this is just part of a very long list. [/quote]
Well if the Confederate flag is a “racist” symbol, and Bill Clinton and Al Gore BOTH identified with that symbol to appeal to voters, why are they being given a pass? I don’t care how long ago it was.
Wasn’t a republican recently crucified by the MEDIA for attending a lunch where ONE of the guests was a KKK member? Ten or twelve years ago? This just illustrates the fucking double standard of Progressives.[/quote]
Well if Al Gore or Bill Clinton suddenly runs for public office I’m sure this will be brought up, there are plenty of non-politicians with ANV flags on their porches and t-shirts and cars, it would be silly to try and get each one to apologize since the shit is flying over state capitol buildings.
And regarding the GOP fella with the KKK incident you seem to be just a tad off in your facts. Steve Scalise gave a speech at a gathering hosted by white supremacist leaders. It was not “one guy in attendance” and Scalise knew who they were as he was/is friends with one of David Dukes top aides, a friendship that spans more than a decade. David Duke founded the club and named it the “European American Unity and Rights Organization”, not super subtle nor requiring the sleuthing skills of the Hardy Boys to unravel. The media busted his balls for a minute, Boehner supported him and nothing else happened, so…
What does Hillary say about Bill’s use of the confederate flag as part of his campaign?
Where is the moral outrage from the left on this? Shouldn’t he be apologizing?
OOOOOOHHHH, that’s right - It’s a different set of rules for fucking Liberals, isn’t it?[/quote]
I don’t think so, it was bullshit vote pandering at its’ finest. Of course for Bill Clinton as far as things he should be ashamed of, this is just part of a very long list. [/quote]
Well if the Confederate flag is a “racist” symbol, and Bill Clinton and Al Gore BOTH identified with that symbol to appeal to voters, why are they being given a pass? I don’t care how long ago it was.
Wasn’t a republican recently crucified by the MEDIA for attending a lunch where ONE of the guests was a KKK member? Ten or twelve years ago? This just illustrates the fucking double standard of Progressives.[/quote]
Clinton and Obama giving a rousing eulogy to Bryd really tops my list of hysterical progressive dumbassedness.
How a black man got up on stage, praised a Klan member, looked himself in the mirror afterward (forget the media pass) is beyond me. It’d be like me defending Feinstein in death because she was a “nice woman” even though she is a gun grabbing tyrant. In fact, it’d be worse, but I’m not tossing my laundry out on the forum for a better analogy.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
One thing I want to bring up is, when did this become a REPUBLICAN problem? The flag was flown atop the state house on former DEMOCRATIC Senator Earnest “Fritz” Hollings watch in 1962…
All of the old racist segregationists are/were all DEMOCRATS. Bill Clinton signed the bill to fly the Confederate flag over the Arkansas state house.
Didn’t they try to ban the song “Dixie”? Cause it’s RAAAAACIST, right? But they’ve got no problem with hardcore rap music which promotes killing, rape, beating up white people, shooting cops, etc… Cause that’s just “CULTURE”… It’s fucking hypocrisy at it’s finest.
Well if the Confederate flag is a “racist” symbol, and Bill Clinton and Al Gore BOTH identified with that symbol to appeal to voters, why are they being given a pass? [/quote]
The Democrats, 40 years ago, raised the Confederate Battle Flag over various statehouses to inflame racial tensions for political gain. They now demand it be lowered, also to inflame racial tensions for political gain.
Well if the Confederate flag is a “racist” symbol, and Bill Clinton and Al Gore BOTH identified with that symbol to appeal to voters, why are they being given a pass? [/quote]
The Democrats, 40 years ago, raised the Confederate Battle Flag over various statehouses to inflame racial tensions for political gain. They now demand it be lowered, also to inflame racial tensions for political gain.
The flag is a Democrat issue and responsibility.
They raised it; they can lower it.
Not our problem.
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That appears to be what they are trying to do. Good to see you are on board.
Push, this is certainly something that needs fixing. Sex without consenquences is a right. Plus(and this is important): To not criminalize “revenge porn” would be almost like admitting that people own themselves, and we can’t have that.
