Hi Guys, I recieved the bloods back today, Now I havent cycled in 18 months. But I thought I had bounced back pretty good. I thought i would get some figures before my next cycle and as per photo attached. at 45 years old my test and others are stupidly low. I was just going to cycle again but looking at these figures your advice is greatly appreciated, as i may need to change my outlook.
I was shocked at the low numbers as I have no reason to think my bloods are so bad.
Your advice in interpreting them and future action would be great.
ps my cycle was going to be 600 test and 300 test for 14 weeks then standard pct, but this would probably cripple me in returning to a normal range, i didnt really want to be pinning for ever. But cruising may be the only option.
Yup. I’m not sure why the OP is shocked. These labs look very much like after cycle labs without recovery of the HPTA.
@adee1977 in you other posts you have said you always recover. You were advised cycling was non effective by @hankthetank89 You can try another PCT but TRT sounds like a better route for a guy who wants to frequently cycle anyway -no?
So basically don’t go to the drs, start a cruise and increase levels blast every so often. And just use UGL’s forever. Its just pretty final and didn’t really want to jab for ever. Or stop using and try and get some restored but 18 months on surely it should have kickstarted by now!
Ive been working so hard in the gym this last 6 months and eating well and feel that these 18 months if my test is low I’ve not been getting my potential. The reason why im shocked is becouse i dont feel that the way i am daily that my levels are bad. I feel good.
Anyway I appreciate as many comments as possible please so i don’t rush into my next steps.
Yes even absent a proper PCT you likely would have made recovery by now. I wouldnt say running another PCT will be highly successful but it “could be”. If you want to continue cycling however I think it would be fruitless to even try natural recovery anymore.
If you were in the US I would say go to a TRT clinic but in your situation, with the NHS, you may be right. UGL may be your best option but I would try to get legit TRT with a script if it was all possible.
Further to this last msg Ive researched and it appears tamoxafin doesnt reduce oestradoils. It stops it from binding. Therefore I have it available on hand and becouse i see it potentially increasing LH, FSH, testosterone concentrations. and SHBG levels which are all areas I am low or out of below range on then think I should try this first as I’m not keen on HCG and prefer not to use it. Although I know it may be a needs must at some point should this not work.
Therefore my Oestradiols are in the minus if anyone thinks this isnt a good idea please let me know as I am going to start taking 20 tamoxafin a day for the next month. I may even take 40 for the first week then down to 20mg. Starting today.
Review my bloods in a month and then take it from there.
Im thinking no need to rush straight into the cycle, lets see if I can recover into normal using this method first.
Don’t do this. 10mg is the recommended dose for 6-8 weeks after stopping HCG. You are producing T, so your balls are working. No need for HCG at this point. The half life of Tamoxafin is 5-7 days up to 11 days in some people. 20mg will be an old recommendation and has been updated. With all of this said, I think you are at your new normal.
Hi, Ive never used HCG, I do not intend to, Its just Tamoxafin Nolvadex 20mg per day for a few weeks to try and increase the areas im low on. You think 40 is too much for the first week?
I meant if i go back on cycle will consider hcg as part of pcr then.
Yes, I think 40mg is too much for the first week. Drugs come with sides. If you find you can handle the sides after the accumulation of a week, then you are fine. Just read about the sides before you start.
I would do HCG while on cycle, stop the HCG at prior to doing a PCT.
With that said, You are barely under the range and you said you felt okay. If you really want to do this, then do what @hankthetank89 suggested.
I will take 20 a day for a month. See how my bloods are then make an educated decision on what I want going forward.
I’ve never really had bad sides with Tamoxafin.
My test levels I cant see allowing me to maintain a decent size so if they dont increase I think cycling how i used to will just plunge these figures further. Therefore if steroids is for me then I need to cruise and stop cycling.
So basically my last cycle was 18 months ago and as we dicussed my levels where poor.
I suggested taking 20mg nova for 3 weeks and retesting a month later, this increased the numbers. But now ive stopped will it drop again
left column a month ago. right column a month after.
my low oestrogen i reckon is why im not leaner, and thinking maybe i should just start a 150 test e shot once a week and cruise to increase my levels and when im leaner in 6 weeks start a 12 week cycle 600wk then cruise for a few months after and repeat. Also to drop my prolactin a little shall i take a small dose of caber.
The only compound i wish to use is test e. and adex if reqd.
Think its time to keep away from 19nor or anything else and keep it simple.
Loooking at the previous messages is this reasonable going forward.
Or should i just try and recover naturally and end my test days. I just think that I will be stronger and fitter on a trt dosegoing into my 50s.
Use p5p before you use caber. You can get it over the counter and it works pretty well. It also is self limiting on how much it will lower prl, so you won’t potentially crash your levels. I think if not running 19-nor drugs, that low dose should be tried first (like 50 mg ED).
Don’t use a sledge hammer when a trim hammer might do the trick.
