i just read a review of the matt hammill fight, sounds like it was pretty good and matt pretty much dominated and slammed him over and over. i would like to see that one.
[quote]ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
LOL you just gave one Mir/Sylvia.
Herb Dean sucks!
McCarthy did a good job last night. Herb Dean should move to Austraila and live under an assumed name.
??? Every fan in the audience was booing that decision until they saw the replay of his arm bending where it shouldn’t have bent. You’re saying he should have let the fight go on??[/quote]
Sort of like when Hughes bent Gracies arm in a position that it should not have been bent. But was the fight stopped at that point? NO.
You see they have something in mma that is really really helpful to fighters, it’s called “tapping out.”
If something hurts tap. If you don’t tap then it’s your own fault.
Simple huh?
[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
LOL you just gave one Mir/Sylvia.
Herb Dean sucks!
McCarthy did a good job last night. Herb Dean should move to Austraila and live under an assumed name.
??? Every fan in the audience was booing that decision until they saw the replay of his arm bending where it shouldn’t have bent. You’re saying he should have let the fight go on??
Sort of like when Hughes bent Gracies arm in a position that it should not have been bent. But was the fight stopped at that point? NO.
You see they have something in mma that is really really helpful to fighters, it’s called “tapping out.”
If something hurts tap. If you don’t tap then it’s your own fault.
Simple huh?
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Very simple. Interesting how his arm didn’t snap therefore no need for the fight to be stopped. Wow we agree on something. 
Fighter safety is important, especially if you love the sport.
[quote]blitzkrg wrote:
I expected Ortiz to win. and i do like him more than Ken, but i thought Tito was a bit disrespectfull last night…
even when Ken was giving his “farewell” speech, Tito had to come over and make himeself part of the moment…
Like him or not, i feel like he’s put his time in and deserved to have a moment to himself.
I wasnt thrilled with Ken’s comments after the fight, “hey man, we’ve both made alot of money off of this” (or something to that effect)
Not that boxing matches arent the same way, it just makes it seem it was more for show/hype than a real hatred.
oh i’ll hate you as long as i’m getting paid for it, then when i’m done and retired, we can play nice…
blah
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Sports are for entertainment and for people to to make money off of…What do you expect?
[quote]ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
LOL you just gave one Mir/Sylvia.
Herb Dean sucks!
McCarthy did a good job last night. Herb Dean should move to Austraila and live under an assumed name.
??? Every fan in the audience was booing that decision until they saw the replay of his arm bending where it shouldn’t have bent. You’re saying he should have let the fight go on??
Sort of like when Hughes bent Gracies arm in a position that it should not have been bent. But was the fight stopped at that point? NO.
You see they have something in mma that is really really helpful to fighters, it’s called “tapping out.”
If something hurts tap. If you don’t tap then it’s your own fault.
Simple huh?
Very simple. Interesting how his arm didn’t snap therefore no need for the fight to be stopped. Wow we agree on something.
Fighter safety is important, especially if you love the sport.
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I agree, just keep in mind that in many situations the fighter can easily take care of his own safety.
That’s one of the great points of mma over something like boxing.
[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Fighter safety is important, especially if you love the sport.
I agree, just keep in mind that in many situations the fighter can easily take care of his own safety.
That’s one of the great points of mma over something like boxing.
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Absolutely.
[quote]drewmofpo wrote:
Shamrock got destroyed…
It was a farce…
But hey at least it was free so I wasnt too annoyed…
What did annoy me was that Tito is an immature jerk…
He just beat Ken and had to do the middle finger thing to him…
And then Ken went out of his way to congratulate him and Tito finally relented and Joe and other announcer gushed about how Tito was growing up in front of their eyes… Lame.
I turned it off after that.[/quote]
Seriously. They talk about Tito growing up less than 15 seconds after he flipped Ken off. That’s just ridiculous.
[quote]ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
LOL you just gave one Mir/Sylvia.
Herb Dean sucks!
McCarthy did a good job last night. Herb Dean should move to Austraila and live under an assumed name.
??? Every fan in the audience was booing that decision until they saw the replay of his arm bending where it shouldn’t have bent. You’re saying he should have let the fight go on??[/quote]
No, they continued to boo after they saw the replay, because they’re all retarded.
And smitty, yea that sounds nice, but if you have any interest in the UFC remaining legal, you’d want the refs there to stop it when it looks like a fighter is gonna be injured. There was a time not too long ago when the UFC almost got taken off the air all together, the last thing we need is a bunch of maimed fighters to put MMA in a really bad light.
Jason MacDonald’s ground game was very impressive. Ed is a good fighter, a smart fighter and to see him get over-skilled was surprising.
I can’t believe Tito is dating Jenna Jameson, I find respect points decreasing on that basis alone and I rarely make judgments on anyone’s personal characteristics.
I can’t believe Ken didn’t advance himself instead he regressed and was caught in the same positions he was in the second fight, ridiculous.
Both fighters seemed way too calm almost as if they had talked before the fight.
I don’t think Tito has a chance against Chuck…Chuck will make Tito his crying bitch, and of course in that state Tito will be overly apologetic and whiney.
Ken was never a great fighter. He was never UFC champion and he never beat a decent fighter. I don’t understand what’s so fascinating about him. He was KOed by Sak and Sak isn’t even what he used to be.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Ken was never a great fighter. He was never UFC champion and he never beat a decent fighter. I don’t understand what’s so fascinating about him. He was KOed by Sak and Sak isn’t even what he used to be. [/quote]
I mostly agree, yes.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Ken was never a great fighter. He was never UFC champion and he never beat a decent fighter. I don’t understand what’s so fascinating about him. He was KOed by Sak and Sak isn’t even what he used to be. [/quote]
Yup, “The Worlds Most Dangerous man” says who, his mother? Shit my grandma is more threatening than that. That fight sucked ass, just like Dana White knew it would, and he smart enough to offer it for free. Imagine the response if people paid to see a repeat of Badboy/Numbnuts II. The undercards were better.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Ken was never a great fighter. He was never UFC champion and he never beat a decent fighter. I don’t understand what’s so fascinating about him. He was KOed by Sak and Sak isn’t even what he used to be. [/quote]
True. I mean when he beat Bas Rutten in Pancrase, he was just starting out…and when he beat Bas Rutten again, well, nevermind…and when he had a draw with Royce Gracie he was just lucky…and just because he was a pioneer of the sport doesn’t mean he’s special…and 26 wins over 13 years doesn’t really count for much, because like you said, everyone he fought sucked…especially Royce Gracie.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Ken was never a great fighter. He was never UFC champion and he never beat a decent fighter. I don’t understand what’s so fascinating about him. He was KOed by Sak and Sak isn’t even what he used to be. [/quote]
While I agree that Ken is not a great or even good fighter now, this was a very ignorant post and you are a retard.
From MMA-Fighter.com:
"So as we all know Tito defeated Ken for the 3rd time and Shammy has decided to retire. I had mentioned before that I was going to write a tribute thread for him since IMO he is one of the biggest reasons that the sport is where its at today. Yeah this thread will be nuthuggery so if you dont want to see me nuthugging then dont bother reading. If you want to talk shit also do it in the shit talking section since I know besides myself there are 4-5 other people here that im sure would want to show their appreciation for Ken.
Like I had mentioned in another thread I think its sad how Ken to alot of the newer fans will probably be remembered as “that old guy that Tito beat up” Well for those of you who fall into that category, that is certainly one of the defining factors of his career.
However early on in the history of the sport Ken was regarded as a perennial top 10 fighter in the world…at one point when he was superfight champ you could make the case that he was #1. He had defeated legends like Funaki (2x) Bas Rutten twice, Maurice Smith, Dan Severn, Royce Gracie, and plenty of others. I know some of you dont think he deserves to be in the hall of fame, but I think your basing your opinion on how he is as a fighter TODAY, and not what he did in his prime.
Ken is also responsible for the creation of the Lions Den. Nowadays they arent all that great, but remember back in the early days of the UFC the Lions Den was THE TEAM to be on. He helped to mold the careers of his brother Frank, Mo Smith, and Guy Mezger…all legends in their own right. I think Ken deserves alot of respect for being a good trainer back in the early days…he didnt evolve and it cost him, however back then he was the guy to work with.
As an MMA fan, I would like to say thank you to Ken Shamrock for standing up for the sport as a whole when he debated John McCain and verbally
OWNED him on national TV. McCain was trying to get the sport shut down, and Ken was the fighter out there on the front lines defending it. I would also like to thank Ken for being one of the very first “hybrid” fighters. Now by todays standards he isnt well rounded. But back then he knew stand up, submissions, and had good wrestling skills. Fighters didnt pattern themselves after Royce Gracie or Mo Smith, or Dan Severn…they decided to be well rounded like Ken Shamrock, then they just took it to another level.
Also Ken was the very first “superfight” champion in UFC history. In the first ever superfight he fought to a draw with Royce Gracie, although by todays standards Ken easily wins that fight. Had the scoring been set up differently Ken would have been the first guy in decades to defeat a Gracie. Nowadays that doesnt seem like a big deal, but back then it was a HUGE deal. He was technically the first ever UFC champion (superfight) and will forever be in the record books as having that distinction.
He is also one of the guys responsible for the re-birth of the sport. He could have kept doing pro wrestling and making good money, but he decided to come back to the sport that he helped build. The re-birth of the sport happened with his feud with Tito (which Tito deserves credit for as well) at the time it was the biggest fight in UFC history, and IMO even though Ken lost he added to his legacy by showing a TON of heart while taking an ass kicking like that. People were doubting his heart at that point due to his throwing in the towel against Fujita (in a fight he was dominating) and so I think that helped to solidify his standing as a warrior.
Im not gonna go into the rest of his more recent history since I think we all know about that. However I would like to touch on the fact that a lot of people seem to think he is some jerk. Well for those of you who think that you have obviously never met the guy. I got the chance to meet him while in the Marine Corps and let me just say that it was one of those memories that I will keep with me forever. He made sure to sign EVERY autograph, and when we were all done with everything he was showing us he sat around and just bullshitted with any of us who wanted to talk for awhile. I have met a few other “celebrities” in my life and Ken was easily the coolest one I have ever met. I know there are a few other people who have met Ken that post here, and im sure they would all say the same thing.
So I hope that years from now when people discuss Ken Shamrock that he will be remembered as a pioneer of the sport, one of the early GREATS, a man with a LOT of pride and heart, and as someone who at the very end when all was said and done, was gracious and respectful in defeat.
Thanks Ken for the memories.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
And smitty, yea that sounds nice, but if you have any interest in the UFC remaining legal, you’d want the refs there to stop it when it looks like a fighter is gonna be injured. There was a time not too long ago when the UFC almost got taken off the air all together, the last thing we need is a bunch of maimed fighters to put MMA in a really bad light.[/quote]
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Actually it was quite a while ago. The UFC at it’s inception had no rules. So naturally the many in power who wanted to protect the fighters acted.
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We can all agree that a fight should be stopped BEFORE someone is permanently harmed. However, sometimes we see a fighter who appears to be getting the worst of it turn it around and win.
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In the second Ortiz/Shamrock fight Shamrock was very far from being permanently injured. In fact he was not even temporarily injured. It was a bad stoppage plain and simple. Big John McCarthy stopped the third fight at the proper time.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Ken was never a great fighter. He was never UFC champion and he never beat a decent fighter. I don’t understand what’s so fascinating about him. He was KOed by Sak and Sak isn’t even what he used to be. [/quote]
All true. Remember also that Shamrocks best fights were when he weighed over the 205 limit that he fought tito at. Not that another 20 pounds would have made one bit of difference in those three fights with Tito.
I know this is a tad late, but free is free, and I like free! Apparently, as a way to hype up Ortiz vs. Shamrock III, Zuffa put the entire feud, including the first two fights, into one convenient video on google. I never saw the first fight so I thought this was great. Here’s the link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2716460117104548485