I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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I am glad you have it all figured out
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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So we know what you’ll do if you get raped and are impregnated.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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So we know what you’ll do if you get raped and are impregnated. [/quote]
Obviously, if you are pro-choice, I don’t expect you to agree with me on this period.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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So we know what you’ll do if you get raped and are impregnated. [/quote]
Obviously, if you are pro-choice, I don’t expect you to agree with me on this period. [/quote]
It’s not that; it’s that you have a bunch of men posting on an issue that affects women. You have the OP who probably never kissed a female that wasn’t a relative talking about what women should do. You have an undercurrent of misogyny that disguises itself as “anti-feminism.”
On the specific issue of rape and abortion: a woman is forced, sometimes via extreme violence, to have sex with a man, i.e., she had no choice. She is impregnated, again, not by choice. Now the male of the species is going to tell her she has no choice but to have the child. You don’t see the irony there? The same people who have a problem with the government controlling their guns and their speech have no problems with the government controlling a woman’s body. A man can set into motion the events that result in a child’s death and he’s a hero. A teen rape victim has an abortion and she’s the devil.
I’m not saying I’m for or against abortion. Unlike most everyone who posts here I’m neither too young nor too old so I don’t believe I have the answers to everything. Fundamentalism comes in many forms and most are bad. What I am saying is that maybe, just maybe, before someone forms an opinion on a subject like this, they just might want to consider how the other 50% of the population thinks. Maybe, if we are talking specifically about rape, we should ask a man how he would feel about his wife giving birth to a rapist’s baby? Or how a father would feel about his 13 year old daughter doing the same? The answers are easy when you are neither a father nor a husband. The answers are easy when you aren’t a woman. The answers are easy when you are a fundamentalist.
Besides rape which is a very emotional topic and its not a black and white issue I don’t understand how its ok for a women who gets pregnant and then decides to have an abortion and in this case I think they are trying to ban late term abortions such after a couple months. How can anyone justifiably wait until the third trimester to have an abortion under normal circumstances. And now a days there are so many options for birth control and you can get condoms for free.
Babies feel pain during abortion and in some cases even try to fight back.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I guess I am a feminist because I feel until the fetus has ability to survive on it’s own, it life is at the discretion of the mother. It could further be argued that the said fetus could be evicted at moms whim as well , at any time . The state that has draconian laws could pay for life support if they wish[/quote]
You honestly believe that without the ability to take care of oneself, one is not a person?
That rules out infants, old individuals, the mentally challenged, most in the ICU, and many other categories out as people. We can just let them die, and have no moral obligation to assist them, is that right? [/quote]
this comment is probably going to piss alot of people off, but fuck it.
Yes that is absolutely right, you realize that humans are the only species on this planet that do everything to keep the lame, the sick, and the elderly alive as long as possible. But in the same breathe we constantly complain about how overpopulated the planet is, how we don’t have enough resources to sustain our continually growing population. Yet it becomes head line news when we find out a doctor is committing mercy killings at a patients request, so we throw that doctor in jail. Now I’m not saying that it’s ok to go around clubbing newborns like baby seals or anything, I’m simply pointing out that while yes, an unborn child is still a child and it SHOULD have a right to choose its fate, sometimes the world isn’t fair. You don’t get to choose what happens to you, whether you conscious or not. Do you think people choose to be born mentally handicapped, or missing limbs, or with horribly debilitating diseases that prevent them from operating independently for their entire lives? You say that those unborn children should have a right to live, well the mother has the right to decide what she wants. And those who want to say she can’t are ignorant.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Babies feel pain during abortion and in some cases even try to fight back.
and a lobster feels pain and tries to fight back when you drop it in a pot of boiling water, are you saying that that is murder and it shouldn’t be allowed? or are you saying that because humans have deemed themselves a higher class of being than something as simple as a lobster that things like that doesn’t matter, but an unwanting mother opting to abort her unborn child is wrong…the flaw in that logic in so apparent it laughable
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
If the child is medically viable than it is the state’s fault [/quote]
You called it a child. All children are viable at any point during gestation.[/quote]
Noun
The process of carrying or being carried in the womb between conception and birth.
The duration of such a process.
I think you mean conception and if you do I disagree as do many others [/quote]
You said it was a child. I child is a human, killing a child is killing a human. Simple. You either agree or disagree that killing a child is ok, that’s the only question on the table really.
[quote]stokes1989 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Babies feel pain during abortion and in some cases even try to fight back.
and a lobster feels pain and tries to fight back when you drop it in a pot of boiling water, are you saying that that is murder and it shouldn’t be allowed? or are you saying that because humans have deemed themselves a higher class of being than something as simple as a lobster that things like that doesn’t matter, but an unwanting mother opting to abort her unborn child is wrong…the flaw in that logic in so apparent it laughable[/quote]
very interesting, I suppose I just value human life a little bit more. I am grateful for the sacrifice the lobster makes so I can enjoy its deliciousness as well with all animals.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]stokes1989 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Babies feel pain during abortion and in some cases even try to fight back.
and a lobster feels pain and tries to fight back when you drop it in a pot of boiling water, are you saying that that is murder and it shouldn’t be allowed? or are you saying that because humans have deemed themselves a higher class of being than something as simple as a lobster that things like that doesn’t matter, but an unwanting mother opting to abort her unborn child is wrong…the flaw in that logic in so apparent it laughable[/quote]
very interesting, I suppose I just value human life a little bit more. I am grateful for the sacrifice the lobster makes so I can enjoy its deliciousness as well with all animals.[/quote]
hahaha, i can respect just. I was just pointing it out…and who knows, if you season it right, humans may be able to taste awesome
[quote]Revanchist wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Revanchist wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Revanchist wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Revanchist wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
You can say what you want but at the end of it all its murder plain and simple [/quote]
In your fabricated black and white world perhaps, but it’s neither plain nor simple when one of your loved ones undergoes an abortion after being impregnated by her rapist. I can attest to that.[/quote]
That sucks, truly.
What percentage of abortions occur after a woman becomes pregrant because of rape or some other sexual misconduct?
That’s a serious question, I don’t know. I can’t imagine it’s many though. [/quote]
Especially so when they never caught the guy. For all I know he’s done the same twenty times over since. I don’t think it would be very high, over 200,000 rapes occur in the U.S. annually and 5-10% result in pregnancy. I believe the victims reserve the right to have an abortion if they so choose. Carrying a child should be a joyous experience, not one where the victim is obligated to carry the burden of a traumatic and humiliating event that was imposed upon her.[/quote]
It sucks and life ain’t fair.
If a sadistic criminal took a child and threw it off a tall bridge, I’d still jump in after it, even though it wouldn’t be fair to me.
But no, you shouldn’t make someone jump off a bridge after it.[/quote]
No, it sucks and is unfair when you don’t get a call back after an interview. Having your flesh and blood brutally attacked is incomprehensible. You don’t know what you would do until you received a call in the middle of the night that no brother, husband, or father ever wants to receive, drove for what seemed like an eternity, clenching the wheel as if it was the son of a bitch’s neck and wishing it was, carried her almost catatonic frame to the car, drove to the hospital, and sat through hours of invasive medical procedures and graphic police reports because she needs you by her side. And that’s just the first day. I truly hope you or your loved ones never have to experience anything like that. Until then, feel free to hold onto your naive idealism and faux moral high ground. [/quote]
Chill dude. I purposely avoided saying I knew what it felt like for that exact reason. I cannot imagine the pain.
But I can most certainly believe that more violence and death isn’t a good thing. Evil begets evil if you let it.
And for the record I have risked my life for others. You may not have ever had to go into a burning building to help someone, but you can still know it’s the right thing to do.[/quote]
Apologies if I came across as a dick, it’s an emotional issue for me obviously. One that I admittedly can’t be objective about.
I agree with that to a degree, but sometimes you have to do bad things for very good reasons. Obviously an abortion is something that no one wants to undergo, and it’s regrettable that the child was terminated. For a 22 year old who had her whole life ahead of her, pregnancy wasn’t something she was ready for, much less forcibly as a result of a sexual assault. To equate that with weakness or a moral shortcoming in any way is simply ludicrous.
I do, and thank you for your service. Although we may disagree about the subject in different ways and for different reasons, I respect your conviction regarding it.[/quote]
God, I could not imagine the trauma and anger you must feel from the experience. How much more the victim? I, by the grace of God, have not experienced, nor known someone who has.
There is no hell hot enough for rapists and other like that.
[quote]stokes1989 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]stokes1989 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Babies feel pain during abortion and in some cases even try to fight back.
and a lobster feels pain and tries to fight back when you drop it in a pot of boiling water, are you saying that that is murder and it shouldn’t be allowed? or are you saying that because humans have deemed themselves a higher class of being than something as simple as a lobster that things like that doesn’t matter, but an unwanting mother opting to abort her unborn child is wrong…the flaw in that logic in so apparent it laughable[/quote]
very interesting, I suppose I just value human life a little bit more. I am grateful for the sacrifice the lobster makes so I can enjoy its deliciousness as well with all animals.[/quote]
hahaha, i can respect just. I was just pointing it out…and who knows, if you season it right, humans may be able to taste awesome[/quote]
Humans are more important than other animals. I don’t think it’s arrogant to say that, it’s just a fact.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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Yeah, that’s just not right. I agree with your post on the hole.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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Yeah, that’s just not right. I agree with your post on the hole.
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That is ridiculous. The next time that piece of crap shows up to see my child he would be met with a gun in his face. I know that is not the Christian way to go about it, but the government is suppose to protect us, and when they don’t my gun is the first thing to meet them. This type of situation makes me angry. Hopefully at least the cops are at the house with the child being watched at all times.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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Yeah, that’s just not right. I agree with your post on the hole.
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That is ridiculous. The next time that piece of crap shows up to see my child he would be met with a gun in his face. I know that is not the Christian way to go about it, but the government is suppose to protect us, and when they don’t my gun is the first thing to meet them. This type of situation makes me angry. Hopefully at least the cops are at the house with the child being watched at all times.[/quote]
I would have no problem with that.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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Yeah, that’s just not right. I agree with your post on the hole.
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That is ridiculous. The next time that piece of crap shows up to see my child he would be met with a gun in his face. I know that is not the Christian way to go about it, but the government is suppose to protect us, and when they don’t my gun is the first thing to meet them. This type of situation makes me angry. Hopefully at least the cops are at the house with the child being watched at all times.[/quote]
I would have no problem with that.[/quote]
with me putting a gun in the SOBs face, or the SOB getting visitation rights?
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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Yeah, that’s just not right. I agree with your post on the hole.
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That is ridiculous. The next time that piece of crap shows up to see my child he would be met with a gun in his face. I know that is not the Christian way to go about it, but the government is suppose to protect us, and when they don’t my gun is the first thing to meet them. This type of situation makes me angry. Hopefully at least the cops are at the house with the child being watched at all times.[/quote]
I would have no problem with that.[/quote]
with me putting a gun in the SOBs face, or the SOB getting visitation rights?
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Putting the gun into his face. Rapists are the most despicable scum on Earth. I don’t care what happens to them as long as it’s bad.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
[/quote]
Yeah, that’s just not right. I agree with your post on the hole.
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That is ridiculous. The next time that piece of crap shows up to see my child he would be met with a gun in his face. I know that is not the Christian way to go about it, but the government is suppose to protect us, and when they don’t my gun is the first thing to meet them. This type of situation makes me angry. Hopefully at least the cops are at the house with the child being watched at all times.[/quote]
I would have no problem with that.[/quote]
with me putting a gun in the SOBs face, or the SOB getting visitation rights?
[/quote]
Putting the gun into his face. Rapists are the most despicable scum on Earth. I don’t care what happens to them as long as it’s bad.[/quote]
My wife was raped in High School by a guy that was 22, and I told her if I ever see that guy no one will ever see him again.