Sex Used As A Weapon

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Feminist logic… if you aren’t voting for ABORTION than you DO NOT respect women.

This feminist woman in Texas is having a melt down: Norris fumed, This may sound a bit extreme and some will say sex should not be used as a weapon but lets get real, this is Texas, and men in Texas who have not woken up and smelled the coffee simply do not deserve any loving (sex)."

Feminist said “pro-life women are merely oppressed and harming their female peers with their judgment and beliefs: These women, like women who hurt other women everywhere by criticizing and judging them, need to wake up as well. Women hurting other women is suicidal.”

Babies have survived outside the womb at 20 weeks. Think about your cycles in lifting and how long twenty weeks is. Five months to decide whether to have an abortion isn’t long enough to make up your mind?

http://www.jillstanek.com/2007/02/worlds-youngest-surviving-baby-born-in-miami/

Is it a future Olympic lifter or just a bug to be squashed?

That’s what liberals accept as “CHOICE.” That is No Choice.
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The things I find ironic is that Roe v. Wade originated in Texas. Jane Roe, a.k.a. Norma McCorvey, never had an abortion and is now a vehement Pro-life advocate. The abortionists want nothing more than to suppress this fact and shut her up. The woman on which all this is based, is Pro-life.

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[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
You can say what you want but at the end of it all its murder plain and simple [/quote]

In your fabricated black and white world perhaps, but it’s neither plain nor simple when one of your loved ones undergoes an abortion after being impregnated by her rapist. I can attest to that.[/quote]

Rape is a terrible, horrible trauma. It still does not change the fact that the child is a human being though, despite that. It is plain and simple that the child in the womb is a human and killing it, is taking a human life. But the facts of the matter is that the rape/ incest pregnancies are rare.
From a political perspective, I would allow the exception in trade for getting rid of the practice in general. I wouldn’t push the issue if we could save many lives by not doing so. It doesn’t change the moral ground that abortion destroys a unique human life, but for the sake of the millions of human lives terminated by abortion, I would allow the exception because it’s a rare case and would result in few abortions. In this case, numbers do matter. I would take the trade for the sake of the many.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is not murder , it is changing locations of the fetus .[/quote]

To where, heaven??

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[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
You can say what you want but at the end of it all its murder plain and simple [/quote]

In your fabricated black and white world perhaps, but it’s neither plain nor simple when one of your loved ones undergoes an abortion after being impregnated by her rapist. I can attest to that.[/quote]

That sucks, truly.

What percentage of abortions occur after a woman becomes pregrant because of rape or some other sexual misconduct?

That’s a serious question, I don’t know. I can’t imagine it’s many though.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Murder is murder is murder. Whether it occurs five months before birth, five months after birth or 95 years after birth. That entire time period was still within the lifespan of a particular human being. “Viability” is irrelevant.

Adam Lanza gunning down 10 year old’s is no different than Adam Lanza gunning down a 10 minute old children in a maternity ward. Or gunning down a five month pregnant woman who manages to survive but loses her child. Or persuading his girlfriend to abort their child at five months. It boils down to murder is murder is murder.[/quote]

What’s odd is the ambiguity of the law. If you murder a pregnant woman you are charged with a double homicide in most states. In many places if you punch a woman in the stomach, resulting in an abortion often you are charge with a homicide. If you suck at your job and the baby your were trying to kill in the womb pops out alive and then you kill it, you get charged with murder. How this makes any sense to anybody on the abortion side of the fence is beyond me.

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[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
You can say what you want but at the end of it all its murder plain and simple [/quote]

In your fabricated black and white world perhaps, but it’s neither plain nor simple when one of your loved ones undergoes an abortion after being impregnated by her rapist. I can attest to that.[/quote]

It is still plain and simple. The rapist is forcing the burden of carrying the child on the body of the mother. The child has committed no acts of violence and therefore homicide cannot be justified as a means to relieve the mother of that burden.
The appropriate punishment for a rapist whose act of rape results in an unwilling pregnancy is to punish the rapist with indentured servitude to the mother. The rapist is left a slave, deprived of their freedom for the duration of the pregnancy which has so horribly deprived her of her right to do as she wishes with her own body.[/quote]

It’s both plain and simple that you’re an imbecile of the highest order. It’s easy to type that on a keyboard when it’s not your sister, wife, or daughter who has been traumatized by sexual violence.

“Hey brother/honey/dad, you remember John right? He’s going to live with us for the next 9 months and do some household chores to make up for sexually assaulting me while he held a knife to my throat.”

“The appropriate punishment for a rapist whose act of rape results in an unwilling pregnancy” is Scaphism.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
If the child is medically viable than it is the state’s fault [/quote]

You called it a child. All children are viable at any point during gestation.

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The only appropriate punishment for a rapist is death

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[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
The only appropriate punishment for a rapist is death[/quote]

I concur.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is not murder , it is changing locations of the fetus .[/quote]

Uh, what?

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Abortion is murder. I am not going to argue with anyone and you are not going to change my mind. It is disgusting and it occurs at the rate of 4,000 per day in this country. 4,000 per day. Statistically, the most dangerous place a child can be at is in his/her mothers womb. Even if you aren’t a Christian, you have to see that abortion is one of the many signs of the moral decay in this country.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
If the child is medically viable than it is the state’s fault [/quote]

You called it a child. All children are viable at any point during gestation.[/quote]

Noun

The process of carrying or being carried in the womb between conception and birth.
The duration of such a process.

I think you mean conception and if you do I disagree as do many others

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[quote]pat wrote:

Uh, what?[/quote]

What?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I did not say the cost should go to tax payers , the biggest logical argument I hear against Abortion is bring it to term and adopt it
This particular web sight has almost 8000 people waiting to adopt http://www.americanadoptions.com/?gclid=CIz_kPHJk7gCFYiDQgodUXUACg[/quote]

Wow, 8000!? That’ll make a HYUGE dent in the 1-1.5 million abortions that happen every year.

I get it, it’s easier to portray yourself as a misunderstood genius than to actually figure out or have any clue about what’s going on.

Early term surgical deliveries will only encourage more abortions. Every woman I know who has had both a natural birth and a c-section recommend the natural birth, hands down and these are women who want their children. Every doctor I know who’s given the choice between natural birth and c-section chooses natural birth. And these are doctors who are actually concerned about the health of both the child and the mother.

It has little, if anything, to do with money and everything to do with resources and design ethics. From a purely biological and economic standpoint the means of production far outstrip the demand or consumption. Further, you require a lifetime of relatively upstanding servitude from the overhead employees so that these women can make bad decisions and enjoy brief and transient interactions. A man is granted no choice about ending a pregnancy and any pregnancy of which he is only involved in the conception, is his responsibility. He can care for the child or pay child support, his ‘choice’. A woman, on the other hand, has a lesser or non-existent responsibility to birth a child once conceived.

It’s patently wrong, but go ahead and think that. Like I said, you stupidly act like the problem is that there aren’t enough adoptive parents or orphanages and/or that surgical pre-term delivery is much better for everyone relative to abortion. When it’s obvious that the reproductive act, practiced irresponsibly can far outstrip anything society could do to treat the condition post facto. Not to mention the fact that careless sex causes personal and social problems besides unwanted pregnancies as well.

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I do not see my self as a genius , I see my self as a person . I think most people think inside the box

How do you figure early term deliveries would encourage more abortions ?I think if they even opened the door to sell pregnancies it would go along way to stem the tide of abortions

It has to do everything with money

It is you opinion that everything you disagree with is stupid . I think that way of thinking is obsolete , just my opinion

If it worked in %1 of abortions that would save a lot of lives .

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
You can say what you want but at the end of it all its murder plain and simple [/quote]

In your fabricated black and white world perhaps, but it’s neither plain nor simple when one of your loved ones undergoes an abortion after being impregnated by her rapist. I can attest to that.[/quote]

That sucks, truly.

What percentage of abortions occur after a woman becomes pregrant because of rape or some other sexual misconduct?

That’s a serious question, I don’t know. I can’t imagine it’s many though. [/quote]

Especially so when they never caught the guy. For all I know he’s done the same twenty times over since. I don’t think it would be very high, over 200,000 rapes occur in the U.S. annually and 5-10% result in pregnancy. I believe the victims reserve the right to have an abortion if they so choose. Carrying a child should be a joyous experience, not one where the victim is obligated to carry the burden of a traumatic and humiliating event that was imposed upon her.

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[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
You can say what you want but at the end of it all its murder plain and simple [/quote]

In your fabricated black and white world perhaps, but it’s neither plain nor simple when one of your loved ones undergoes an abortion after being impregnated by her rapist. I can attest to that.[/quote]

That sucks, truly.

What percentage of abortions occur after a woman becomes pregrant because of rape or some other sexual misconduct?

That’s a serious question, I don’t know. I can’t imagine it’s many though. [/quote]

Especially so when they never caught the guy. For all I know he’s done the same twenty times over since. I don’t think it would be very high, over 200,000 rapes occur in the U.S. annually and 5-10% result in pregnancy. I believe the victims reserve the right to have an abortion if they so choose. Carrying a child should be a joyous experience, not one where the victim is obligated to carry the burden of a traumatic and humiliating event that was imposed upon her.[/quote]

It sucks and life ain’t fair.

If a sadistic criminal took a child and threw it off a tall bridge, I’d still jump in after it, even though it wouldn’t be fair to me.

But no, you shouldn’t make someone jump off a bridge after it.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
You can say what you want but at the end of it all its murder plain and simple [/quote]

In your fabricated black and white world perhaps, but it’s neither plain nor simple when one of your loved ones undergoes an abortion after being impregnated by her rapist. I can attest to that.[/quote]

That sucks, truly.

What percentage of abortions occur after a woman becomes pregrant because of rape or some other sexual misconduct?

That’s a serious question, I don’t know. I can’t imagine it’s many though. [/quote]

Especially so when they never caught the guy. For all I know he’s done the same twenty times over since. I don’t think it would be very high, over 200,000 rapes occur in the U.S. annually and 5-10% result in pregnancy. I believe the victims reserve the right to have an abortion if they so choose. Carrying a child should be a joyous experience, not one where the victim is obligated to carry the burden of a traumatic and humiliating event that was imposed upon her.[/quote]

It sucks and life ain’t fair.

If a sadistic criminal took a child and threw it off a tall bridge, I’d still jump in after it, even though it wouldn’t be fair to me.

But no, you shouldn’t make someone jump off a bridge after it.[/quote]

No, it sucks and is unfair when you don’t get a call back after an interview. Having your flesh and blood brutally attacked is incomprehensible. You don’t know what you would do until you received a call in the middle of the night that no brother, husband, or father ever wants to receive, drove for what seemed like an eternity, clenching the wheel as if it was the son of a bitch’s neck and wishing it was, carried her almost catatonic frame to the car, drove to the hospital, and sat through hours of invasive medical procedures and graphic police reports because she needs you by her side. And that’s just the first day. I truly hope you or your loved ones never have to experience anything like that. Until then, feel free to hold onto your naive idealism and faux moral high ground.

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[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
You can say what you want but at the end of it all its murder plain and simple [/quote]

In your fabricated black and white world perhaps, but it’s neither plain nor simple when one of your loved ones undergoes an abortion after being impregnated by her rapist. I can attest to that.[/quote]

That sucks, truly.

What percentage of abortions occur after a woman becomes pregrant because of rape or some other sexual misconduct?

That’s a serious question, I don’t know. I can’t imagine it’s many though. [/quote]

Especially so when they never caught the guy. For all I know he’s done the same twenty times over since. I don’t think it would be very high, over 200,000 rapes occur in the U.S. annually and 5-10% result in pregnancy. I believe the victims reserve the right to have an abortion if they so choose. Carrying a child should be a joyous experience, not one where the victim is obligated to carry the burden of a traumatic and humiliating event that was imposed upon her.[/quote]

It sucks and life ain’t fair.

If a sadistic criminal took a child and threw it off a tall bridge, I’d still jump in after it, even though it wouldn’t be fair to me.

But no, you shouldn’t make someone jump off a bridge after it.[/quote]

No, it sucks and is unfair when you don’t get a call back after an interview. Having your flesh and blood brutally attacked is incomprehensible. You don’t know what you would do until you received a call in the middle of the night that no brother, husband, or father ever wants to receive, drove for what seemed like an eternity, clenching the wheel as if it was the son of a bitch’s neck and wishing it was, carried her almost catatonic frame to the car, drove to the hospital, and sat through hours of invasive medical procedures and graphic police reports because she needs you by her side. And that’s just the first day. I truly hope you or your loved ones never have to experience anything like that. Until then, feel free to hold onto your naive idealism and faux moral high ground. [/quote]

Chill dude. I purposely avoided saying I knew what it felt like for that exact reason. I cannot imagine the pain.

But I can most certainly believe that more violence and death isn’t a good thing. Evil begets evil if you let it.

And for the record I have risked my life for others. You may not have ever had to go into a burning building to help someone, but you can still know it’s the right thing to do.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
You can say what you want but at the end of it all its murder plain and simple [/quote]

In your fabricated black and white world perhaps, but it’s neither plain nor simple when one of your loved ones undergoes an abortion after being impregnated by her rapist. I can attest to that.[/quote]

That sucks, truly.

What percentage of abortions occur after a woman becomes pregrant because of rape or some other sexual misconduct?

That’s a serious question, I don’t know. I can’t imagine it’s many though. [/quote]

Especially so when they never caught the guy. For all I know he’s done the same twenty times over since. I don’t think it would be very high, over 200,000 rapes occur in the U.S. annually and 5-10% result in pregnancy. I believe the victims reserve the right to have an abortion if they so choose. Carrying a child should be a joyous experience, not one where the victim is obligated to carry the burden of a traumatic and humiliating event that was imposed upon her.[/quote]

It sucks and life ain’t fair.

If a sadistic criminal took a child and threw it off a tall bridge, I’d still jump in after it, even though it wouldn’t be fair to me.

But no, you shouldn’t make someone jump off a bridge after it.[/quote]

No, it sucks and is unfair when you don’t get a call back after an interview. Having your flesh and blood brutally attacked is incomprehensible. You don’t know what you would do until you received a call in the middle of the night that no brother, husband, or father ever wants to receive, drove for what seemed like an eternity, clenching the wheel as if it was the son of a bitch’s neck and wishing it was, carried her almost catatonic frame to the car, drove to the hospital, and sat through hours of invasive medical procedures and graphic police reports because she needs you by her side. And that’s just the first day. I truly hope you or your loved ones never have to experience anything like that. Until then, feel free to hold onto your naive idealism and faux moral high ground. [/quote]

Chill dude. I purposely avoided saying I knew what it felt like for that exact reason. I cannot imagine the pain.

But I can most certainly believe that more violence and death isn’t a good thing. Evil begets evil if you let it.

And for the record I have risked my life for others. You may not have ever had to go into a burning building to help someone, but you can still know it’s the right thing to do.[/quote]

Apologies if I came across as a dick, it’s an emotional issue for me obviously. One that I admittedly can’t be objective about.

I agree with that to a degree, but sometimes you have to do bad things for very good reasons. Obviously an abortion is something that no one wants to undergo, and it’s regrettable that the child was terminated. For a 22 year old who had her whole life ahead of her, pregnancy wasn’t something she was ready for, much less forcibly as a result of a sexual assault. To equate that with weakness or a moral shortcoming in any way is simply ludicrous.

I do, and thank you for your service. Although we may disagree about the subject in different ways and for different reasons, I respect your conviction regarding it.