[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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Yeah, that’s just not right. I agree with your post on the hole.
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That is ridiculous. The next time that piece of crap shows up to see my child he would be met with a gun in his face. I know that is not the Christian way to go about it, but the government is suppose to protect us, and when they don’t my gun is the first thing to meet them. This type of situation makes me angry. Hopefully at least the cops are at the house with the child being watched at all times.[/quote]
lol wait…you really think the govt is here to protect us?
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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Yeah, that’s just not right. I agree with your post on the hole.
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That is ridiculous. The next time that piece of crap shows up to see my child he would be met with a gun in his face. I know that is not the Christian way to go about it, but the government is suppose to protect us, and when they don’t my gun is the first thing to meet them. This type of situation makes me angry. Hopefully at least the cops are at the house with the child being watched at all times.[/quote]
lol wait…you really think the govt is here to protect us?
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[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I am very close to a rape victim, and I still believe it is wrong to kill a baby because of how it came about. That is punishing the baby for something someone else did to their mother.
I believe the better option would be to give the baby up for adoption, and of course should she choose to keep it, it should go without saying that the father gets no parental rights. Sadly and disgustingly, I’ve been privy to cases where he DID get visitation rights, and that disturbs me on many levels.
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Yeah, that’s just not right. I agree with your post on the hole.
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That is ridiculous. The next time that piece of crap shows up to see my child he would be met with a gun in his face. I know that is not the Christian way to go about it, but the government is suppose to protect us, and when they don’t my gun is the first thing to meet them. This type of situation makes me angry. Hopefully at least the cops are at the house with the child being watched at all times.[/quote]
lol wait…you really think the govt is here to protect us?
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I was using hyperbole. That is why I own a gun.
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Let us assume for a moment the proposition that every child conceived is potentially viable outside the womb, and that a human zygote has as much value (inasmuch as any human life has intrinsic value), as an embryo, fetus, or newborn infant.
If such a proposition is correct, then it would stand to reason that the deliberate killing of such a life form in any stage in its gestation is an equivalent act, so that inducing a miscarriage three weeks in with pennyroyal tea is an act equivalent to decapitating a healthy infant with hedge clippers. A life has been extenguished in either case. How long that life would have lasted, and what would have become of the life in question is irrelevant to our discussion. So too is any attempt to pinpoint at what point along the journey from Fallopian tube to delivery room this lifeform becomes a “person”. It is genetically human from the point of conception, and alive. Ending a human life is ending a human life.
Seems simple enough so far, but here is where the difficulty begins. We split hairs over the definition of the words “viable” and “person” and “murder”. We bicker about morals and ethics and justice and rights. On both sides of the issue.
One side says it is murder. The other side, if they are honest, should at least assert that it is justifiable homicide. Unfortunately for the former group, the law is on the side of the latter. How to change this situation?
No, really. What should one personally do, if one hates the practice of baby-killing, in order to change the laws which permit it? The other side sees only highly emotional, religious extremists picketing clinics, harassing pregnant women, and threatening or killing abortion doctors. Is this the only viable strategy? What is the most effective way to end legal infanticide in this country, besides arguing on an online bodybuilding supplement forum?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
What is the most effective way to end legal infanticide in this country, besides arguing on an online bodybuilding supplement forum?[/quote]
Stop having sex.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
One is a fool if he instantly plays the “What about rape?” card every time this debate comes up. This issue, generally speaking, is not about rape; it’s about the heartless executions of the most innocent human life there is.[/quote]
If we drop bombs on a city there is the very good possibility that pregnant women will be among the dead. We make exceptions when it comes to killing all the time. If it’s wrong then it’s always wrong.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
What is the most effective way to end legal infanticide in this country, besides arguing on an online bodybuilding supplement forum?[/quote]
Stop having sex. [/quote]
and a lobster feels pain and tries to fight back when you drop it in a pot of boiling water, are you saying that that is murder and it shouldn’t be allowed? or are you saying that because humans have deemed themselves a higher class of being than something as simple as a lobster that things like that doesn’t matter, but an unwanting mother opting to abort her unborn child is wrong…the flaw in that logic in so apparent it laughable[/quote]
very interesting, I suppose I just value human life a little bit more. I am grateful for the sacrifice the lobster makes so I can enjoy its deliciousness as well with all animals.[/quote]
hahaha, i can respect just. I was just pointing it out…and who knows, if you season it right, humans may be able to taste awesome[/quote]
Humans are more important than other animals. I don’t think it’s arrogant to say that, it’s just a fact.[/quote]
and the only reason that is, is because we as humans have deemed ourselves that way…just saying
and a lobster feels pain and tries to fight back when you drop it in a pot of boiling water, are you saying that that is murder and it shouldn’t be allowed? or are you saying that because humans have deemed themselves a higher class of being than something as simple as a lobster that things like that doesn’t matter, but an unwanting mother opting to abort her unborn child is wrong…the flaw in that logic in so apparent it laughable[/quote]
very interesting, I suppose I just value human life a little bit more. I am grateful for the sacrifice the lobster makes so I can enjoy its deliciousness as well with all animals.[/quote]
hahaha, i can respect just. I was just pointing it out…and who knows, if you season it right, humans may be able to taste awesome[/quote]
Humans are more important than other animals. I don’t think it’s arrogant to say that, it’s just a fact.[/quote]
and the only reason that is, is because we as humans have deemed ourselves that way…just saying[/quote]
And humans have also judged some humans as more or less important than others. Hiroshima anyone?
and a lobster feels pain and tries to fight back when you drop it in a pot of boiling water, are you saying that that is murder and it shouldn’t be allowed? or are you saying that because humans have deemed themselves a higher class of being than something as simple as a lobster that things like that doesn’t matter, but an unwanting mother opting to abort her unborn child is wrong…the flaw in that logic in so apparent it laughable[/quote]
very interesting, I suppose I just value human life a little bit more. I am grateful for the sacrifice the lobster makes so I can enjoy its deliciousness as well with all animals.[/quote]
hahaha, i can respect just. I was just pointing it out…and who knows, if you season it right, humans may be able to taste awesome[/quote]
Humans are more important than other animals. I don’t think it’s arrogant to say that, it’s just a fact.[/quote]
and the only reason that is, is because we as humans have deemed ourselves that way…just saying[/quote]
And humans have also judged some humans as more or less important than others. Hiroshima anyone? [/quote]
ya, but when you start talking politics in war things get a little more hazy than they usually are in topics like abortion and other personal choices. but you are definitely right about hiroshima
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
And humans have also judged some humans as more or less important than others. Hiroshima anyone? [/quote]
Do you understand how many lives were SPARED because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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keep it mind it depends on how you look at it. YES it did save thousands of our soldiers lives. but it also killed millions of innocent civilians, and the carnage spread down even after the nukes went off, through radiation posoining and what not.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
And humans have also judged some humans as more or less important than others. Hiroshima anyone? [/quote]
Do you understand how many lives were SPARED because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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keep it mind it depends on how you look at it. YES it did save thousands of our soldiers lives. but it also killed millions of innocent civilians, and the carnage spread down even after the nukes went off, through radiation posoining and what not.[/quote]
There would have been no Japan if we had to invade.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
And humans have also judged some humans as more or less important than others. Hiroshima anyone? [/quote]
Do you understand how many lives were SPARED because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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keep it mind it depends on how you look at it. YES it did save thousands of our soldiers lives. but it also killed millions of innocent civilians, and the carnage spread down even after the nukes went off, through radiation posoining and what not.[/quote]
There would have been no Japan if we had to invade.
