Man that ‘‘Nickelback’’ comment on there had me in stitches…Fuckin’ funny shit.
I can count the number of great American or Canadian Rock Bands on the fingers of half a hand BTW,
The number of Great British Bands however is astonishing, from such a small country too.
Nickelback is this generation’s ‘‘Winger’’…GAAAAG!
Men had big ‘Members’ in the Bible, and gushed out lots of…you know, fluids…probably related to me…heh.
“There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.”
Ezekiel 23:20 NIV
[quote]Karado wrote:
Man that ‘‘Nickelback’’ comment on there had me in stitches…Fuckin’ funny shit.
I can count the number of great American or Canadian Rock Bands on the fingers of half a hand BTW,
The number of Great British Bands however is astonishing, from such a small country too.
Nickelback is this generation’s ‘‘Winger’’…GAAAAG![/quote]
[quote]Karado wrote:
Push you have an obligation to convert Varq to Christianity now…GO PUSH GO, GO PUSH GO[/quote]
Been there, done that… I doubt if I still have the T-shirt, and I don’t think it would still fit even if I did. [/quote]
If I am wrong then no harm and no foul. But if I am right then…
Guys we are squabbling about sins. Man and Woman are going to sin. It is a fact. I have sinned and will continue to sin. We all have a sin that Satan can use against us. That is why he is so good at deception. He knows how to get us. The question is will we turn back to God and repent.
We all will die that is also a fact. The question is where will we be in the afterlife? If there is no afterlife then we all have the same fate. But if I am right then where will you spend your afterlife? Heaven or Hell? This is where you have the power to choose.
I believe in an almighty God that created everything in the Universe and yet he loves me even in my sinfulness, and made a way for me to be with Him for all eternity. It is not my righteousness, but God’s righteousness that has made me whole.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
So if you can have sex before marriage and repent, and get into heaven anyway, then who cares if it’s a sin? Why are we even discussing it?[/quote]
You should know better than that.
Romans 6:1-2a “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means!”
Does that mean we will never sin again. Not on this side of heaven. We are human.
What does sin do? It hurts our relationship with God, and our relationships with other people.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You should know better than that
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[quote]pushharder wrote:
If you “have the t-shirt” then you already know the answer.[/quote]
One would think, huh?
Retorical question, gents. I ask them from time to time.
dmaddox, I was actually thinking of John 8:11, but that works.
Push, I think we were so busy discussing the literality or metaphoricity of Genesis for the bazillionth time that I don’t think I heard your answer to the OP’s question.
Sex before marriage: sin or no sin?
Certainly sex [/i]before[/i]marriage is qualitatively the same as sex outside of marriage, or sex with somebody else in addition to the sex you are having inside your matrimonial situation, the permission of the the other woman’s husband being immaterial to the issue.
So a better question would be, is all sex outside of a legally- or ritually- sanctioned monogamous heterosexual relationship (which we will call “marriage”) in and of itself sinful?
So a better question would be, is all sex outside of a legally- or ritually- sanctioned monogamous heterosexual relationship (which we will call “marriage”) in and of itself sinful?
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Thank you for asking this. I’m writing a paper for Sociology class on this very topic. Mostly polyamory but this somewhat applies.
So a better question would be, is all sex outside of a legally- or ritually- sanctioned monogamous heterosexual relationship (which we will call “marriage”) in and of itself sinful?
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This is another question we have gone over a bazillion times. Let the games begin. I will sit back and watch this one.
If you’re of the big three faiths, for sure. If not, why are you asking?
Why waste time arguing that sex outside of marriage is a sin, with a non believer? Several steps have been skipped…
Like, belief in sin, good, evil, moral rights and wrongs. God(s).
Everyone knows that it’s a sin in orthodox (authentic) Judaic-Christian belief and practice. Accept it, or not. But don’t play stupid like you don’t know.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Why did God create humans with a sex drive, then, make it a sin to have sex before marriage. I mean, God made sex to be very pleasurable, and made it a basic human drive like eating or drinking water, but then tells us we must wait until marriage to have sex and that we aren’t even supposed to look at an attractive member of the opposite sex and think anything sexual.
Couldn’t God have designed us so that we didn’t have any sex drive until after marriage, and even then, it was only directed towards our spouse? He is omnipotent so he can do anything. And don’t “free will” into this, an omnipotent being could have designed us that way while simultaneously preserving free will.
I mean, in todays society, people typically don’t marry until late 20’s, early 30’s age range and it’s pretty unrealistic to expect anyone to go without sex for over 15 years (assuming 13 years old is the age for the start of puberty) and even more unrealistically, not even have sexual thoughts.[/quote]
If you’re Christian, then get married. If you’re not Christian, or of a similar faith in regards to the topic, why are you even asking us? As if you cared what we thought, instead of throwing out a bait question, before running off
I hear its illegal to test drive a car before you buy it.
I have to get back to my meeting here shortly so I’ll try to be brief. A relationship - a real one - is not single-faceted, its multiple. Mental, emotional, social, spiritual, physical, and I think there’s one more. Anywho, in order to have a healthy, fulfilling relationship, you need to have balance to all of these facets. Too much of one of two and none of the others, will cause friction and issues.
As such, in order to truly know if you fit with your partner, is to explore all facets of a relationship. That doesn’t mean humping away like rabbits - you’ve just offset the relationship balance.
That’s my perspective, and how I’ve gone forward on finding a worthwhile relationship with someone who fits me.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Couldn’t God have designed us so that we didn’t have any sex drive until after marriage, and even then, it was only directed towards our spouse? [/quote]
I am proud to be an atheist and therefore can enjoy sex free of any and all guilt. That is a good question Clip, I don’t know why your God would want to torture his people so. I can say there is an easy answer to your sex drive question if you look at it from an evolutionary standpoint.
Sometimes Religion and Science, specifically Biology, seem to conflict.
Sex is a no-no before Marriage, but if one DOESN’T find a mate and refrains from Sex to be a ‘‘good boy’’,
that’s NOT GOOD for the prostate either…you must ‘‘clean out the pipes’’…I’ve done ALOT of reading on that
over the years, abstaining ejaculate is NOT GOOD for the Male Body, and finding a suitable mate to ‘‘follow the rules’’
is very tough, especially in American society, so what does a guy do? Abstain and risk his HEALTH to make good
with the Ancient texts?
What does one do, patiently wait for a ‘‘Wet Dream’’ because that seems to be the only way one is not punished
for a Pre-Marital emission?
If one refrains from Sex for an extended time, testosterone drops as well because you are not having sex,
and if you don’t use it, you lose it, again which is not good for health and well being.
And I’m not saying one should be a lothario either fucking everything that moves, but your smart enough to get the point,
Sex is healthy, ejaculating is good, feels good, and is great for the body!
So what does a believer do when faced with that dilemma?
Sacrifice himself with potential bad health and lowered testosterone to obey the ancient texts?
Is THAT what unmarried Christians should do in light of the Science?
