Set the Record Straight - First Cycle

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23 years old
6’
210lbs
Training since High School.
my routine and diet are perfect.

I have 2 10mL bottles of sust 250
I have 25mg oral Winstrol pills
I have Nolvadex
I have NO AI
I have NO HCG

MY CYCLE:
500mg/week for 8 weeks stacked with Winstrol Oral for 6 weeks

Week 1: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday
Week 2: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday
Week 3: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 4: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 5: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 6: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 7: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 8: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 9: no substances
Week 10: no substances
Week 11: no substances
Week 12: Nolvadex 40mg/Every Day
Week 13: Nolvadex 40mg/Every Day
Week 14: Nolvadex 20mg/Every Day
Week 15: Nolvadex 20mg/Every Day

I want to use 250iu of HCG every 4 days starting Tuesday of week 3 and going thru the end of week 8 but I have no idea how to get REAL HCG. Im really concerned about getting my test and male function back fully after cycle.

Should I add clomid to my PCT and take it with the nolva?
clomid: 150/100/50/50

I’ve already pinned week 1 Monday and Thursday. At first, from what I read, I was going to run the cycle without taking Arimidex DURRING the cycle (.5mg every day) but being on cycle now, i want to make the cycle the best it can possibly be and so I continue reading. Day and night. The more I read, the topic is still 50/50 on these three things and I CAN NOT find a black and white answer. Some say donâ??t use it some say use it.

SO…TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT…

1.) SHOULD YOU OR SHOULD YOU NOT TAKE ARIMIDEX STARTING ON DAY 1? .5mg EVERYDAY WHILE ON CYCLE? And of course take 20mg of nolva every day if itchy nips/soreness comes up, I know.
(use arimidex until 4 days after last hcg inject?)

AND…

2.) DO I REALLY NEED HCG ON CYCLE OR AFTER CYCLE OR WILL A SIMPLE NOLVA PCT SUFFICE?
(again… really concerned about my boys and I have googled everywhere trying to find it)

AND…

3.) SOME SAY NOLVA IS CRAP AND clomid IS BETTER. SOME SAY THE OPPOSITE.
Here is a link where they bash nolvadex pretty hard as a PCT…

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/605974-nolvadex-vs-clomid.html

(basically which one will help me get wood after the cycle.)

LETS SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL HERE GUYS.

also if some of you experts could critique my cycle and PCT. I know sust should be EOD and at least 10 weeks but im not doing that. im doing 8 weeks, M/W. Also any experience youâ??ve had with winny would be appreciated too. Im not sure how winny will effect what I have to do for PCT because im basing my PCT on the long half lives in the sust 250. Thanks a lot everyone. And donâ??t flame me because Iâ??ve clearly spent a lot of time working on this program. Im not seeking acceptance from the steroid gods to run this, just advice.

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Why pin monday and wednesday? Should do it thursday, maybe just a mistake.

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  1. Yes you should use adex (or another AI). You can get away with leaving it til week 2 to start it.

  2. Not really. Using it on cycle makes recovery easier, but it’s not essential. Lots of people don’t use it and recover fine.

  3. Some like nolva, some like clomid, some like both. As it’s your first cycle there’s no way for you to know. I personally like to use both.

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use AI from day 1

nolva really helps prevent gyno, that’s why I like it

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Take winny weeks 9-11. It’s known as a bridge. Look for my first cycle thread and theres some info in there. I’m sure there’s info elsewhere if you search.

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  1. I always have AI on hand However I have never used it and have never had a related problem.
  2. Have never used HCG and don’t plan on anytime soon.
  3. Use both if you can nothing wrong with being extra careful during PCT.
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I would agree with the above. A lot of people don’t have issues from high E (and thus need no AI), but many do. It’s better to have on hand than to one day wake up and notice how bloated your cheeks are or that your nipples are itching and have to wait a week+ to get it. Plus, it’s pretty damn cheap (as is HCG) to have on hand.

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[quote]PulsedEE wrote:
I would agree with the above. A lot of people don’t have issues from high E (and thus need no AI), but many do. It’s better to have on hand than to one day wake up and notice how bloated your cheeks are or that your nipples are itching and have to wait a week+ to get it. Plus, it’s pretty damn cheap (as is HCG) to have on hand.[/quote]

I cant find hcg anywhere. is it known by another name online? you think my supplier would have access to it most likely?

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[quote]jeanmich wrote:
Why pin monday and wednesday? Should do it thursday, maybe just a mistake.[/quote]

that should say Thursday my bad. my second pin was today.

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[quote]PulsedEE wrote:
Take winny weeks 9-11. It’s known as a bridge. Look for my first cycle thread and theres some info in there. I’m sure there’s info elsewhere if you search.[/quote]

my sust cycle ends on week 8 though…that technically means it would no longer be a stack…

and that would only be 3 weeks of winny?

also how is pct effected by the winny?

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do not listen to anyone who tells you that you will not need an AI, it is nonsense and terrible advice

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No one is saying he will not need it. I said I have never needed it BUT always keep it on hand

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[quote]Reed wrote:
No one is saying he will not need it. I said I have never needed it BUT always keep it on hand[/quote]

you should educate yourself further on these compounds and why they are used…

while you are at it, i would recommend an ultrasound on your liver to check for hepatocellular adenomas

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[quote]Spotify wrote:
It’s out there plenty of places. Look on some of the more prominent bodybuilding sites (aka more steroid friendly) and you should find plenty of sponsored sources. Or, your personal source should know where to get it unless a) he’s an idiot or b) he’s waiting on you to come crying to him when your nuts shrink so he can charge much more. Make sure you have BA water to constitute the HCG with (i.e. Benzyl Alcohol water), NOT NaCl water. NaCl water can cause infection if you store it too long. Sadly, most online sources I’ve seen include NaCl. Avoid this, buy your own vial and BA water for the HCG. HCG will give you peace of mind when you’re on (your nuts won’t shrink) and help with hormonal recover when going through PCT.

[quote]Spotify wrote:

[quote]PulsedEE wrote:
Take winny weeks 9-11. It’s known as a bridge. Look for my first cycle thread and theres some info in there. I’m sure there’s info elsewhere if you search.[/quote]

my sust cycle ends on week 8 though…that technically means it would no longer be a stack…

and that would only be 3 weeks of winny?

also how is pct effected by the winny?[/quote][/quote][/quote]

No no… bump back your start date for the winny such that it extends throughout the “bridge” of your PCT. AKA the time between your last Test pin and your first PCT dose. Taper your AI during this time leading up to beginning your PCT. As far as I know, this is all broscience, but it’s worked great for myself and anyone I’ve talked to who has down it. Hear some nasty stories from people who used Tribulus as PCT… PCT is important (if your not blasting/cruising) because the quicker you recover, the more gains you retain and you minimalize the low libido and shit feeling during PCT

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isnt sust best pined eod or ed ?

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WHY? people are you not using AI’s? As WW has stated they have unnoticed effects on your body. It is a very inconsequential cost when planning a cycle and is so damn important.

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agreed… I always have Nolva on hand and thank goodness I did… the guy I got DBol from said, don’t worry about it, you won’t get any gyno… well after 3 weeks it was looking like a bit of gyno flare up… Nolva helped knocked it out… still running it to be honest. I’ve heard some people take 10mg everyday before bedtime for improved sleep… not sure how true that is…

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[quote]Mr_Freshnuts wrote:
agreed… I always have Nolva on hand and thank goodness I did… the guy I got DBol from said, don’t worry about it, you won’t get any gyno… well after 3 weeks it was looking like a bit of gyno flare up… Nolva helped knocked it out… still running it to be honest. I’ve heard some people take 10mg everyday before bedtime for improved sleep… not sure how true that is… [/quote]

nolva is not an AI…

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[quote]dingox wrote:
isnt sust best pined eod or ed ?[/quote]

ED is ideal

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Mr_Freshnuts wrote:
agreed… I always have Nolva on hand and thank goodness I did… the guy I got DBol from said, don’t worry about it, you won’t get any gyno… well after 3 weeks it was looking like a bit of gyno flare up… Nolva helped knocked it out… still running it to be honest. I’ve heard some people take 10mg everyday before bedtime for improved sleep… not sure how true that is… [/quote]

nolva is not an AI…[/quote]

Yeah I know… its a SERM and it’s worked for me…