[quote]Mr_Freshnuts wrote:
agreed… I always have Nolva on hand and thank goodness I did… the guy I got DBol from said, don’t worry about it, you won’t get any gyno… well after 3 weeks it was looking like a bit of gyno flare up… Nolva helped knocked it out… still running it to be honest. I’ve heard some people take 10mg everyday before bedtime for improved sleep… not sure how true that is… [/quote]
nolva is not an AI…[/quote]
Yeah I know… its a SERM and it’s worked for me… [/quote]
I think the point is that this was off topic. We were talking about AI. I’m glad the Nolva worked for your purpose but it wasn’t what we were talking about. OP has Nolva already.
[quote]PulsedEE wrote:
Take winny weeks 9-11. It’s known as a bridge. Look for my first cycle thread and theres some info in there. I’m sure there’s info elsewhere if you search.[/quote]
week 5 of my cycle starts Monday and I am still struggling with what to do with this bottle of winny.
im going to run my sust for 10 weeks. the way I see it I have two options.
Option 1: (bridge)
begin winny at the start of week 10. 50mg everyday for 4 weeks. take finial winny pill. start PCT the following day. (3 weeks after last sust pin)
Option 2:
begin winny at beginning of week 6 or 7 and run it until last sust pin (end of week ten) then take nothing for 3 weeks until PCT start.
MAJOR QUESTION: since the half life of oral winstrol is between 8-12 hours, how would option 2 effect my pct? would I need to take something 12 hours after last winny pill (same day as last sust inject)
and even in option 1 will I need to change pct due to the winny? or will I run the normal pct I would if I had just been pinning sust. thanks everyone.
[quote]Spotify wrote:
23 years old
6’
210lbs
Training since High School.
my routine and diet are perfect.
I have 2 10mL bottles of sust 250
I have 25mg oral Winstrol pills
I have Nolvadex
I have NO AI
I have NO HCG
MY CYCLE:
500mg/week for 8 weeks stacked with Winstrol Oral for 6 weeks
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if you cant get your hands on HCG nothing to be worked about, urs is only 8 weeks but it would be great if you could…
and if you cant get your hands on AI, which again would be highly recommended just run nolva at 10mg nd then bump it up to 20mg if you find a need… something is better than no AI !
btw sust injections are really painful cause of teh alcohol content and for some reason i fell ill twice in the two weeks i used it on my cycle…
Im not a veteran by any means and I agree that the ‘have AI on hand’ debate is pretty 50/50 but if you do enough research you notice the people that say they never used Adex (or any AI) on cycle and they ‘didnt have any problems’ just means they didnt develop very visible gyno. Rarely will these people ever back up these claims with ‘i got blood work and my E2 levels were fine’ because if they did they would start taking Adex the second they read the results.
Whether you bridge it or start any other week your PCT starts at the same time. “Post Cycle” starts at the end of the cycle. Meaning when ALL of your compounds are cleared. You can consider winny cleared the day after you take your last pill. Sust should be considered cleared about 3 weeks after last inject. So PCT starts at the same time.
my “guy” has gone all sketchy douche bag on me and sold my second bottle of sust out from under me.
his response to this was I didn’t buy it in time and he needed the money.
well, im out of gear as of my last injection that was Monday and my next pin is Thursday and he cant have another bottle in until next week sometime.
his reconciliation for this, is that he will sell me a bottle of test cyp discounted.
I’ve read there is no real harm in making this mid cycle switch, I just would like to know how I should dose it and when to pin to keep my blood levels stable and make my body think im still in the heat of a nice cycle without having to technically “start all over” or wait for the cyp to kick in.
I just need help. not to be flamed.
“this is EXACTLY why the number 1 rule is to have all things needed on hand before you start”
I was going to say something about starting a new thread but as this is your thread i suppose no harm.
That is my #1 rule yes but that is hindsight. You know for next time.
If you can get the Cyp now then get it. Just continue your cycle with Cyp. You were dosing your sust twice weekly anyway. Your levels will bounce a little because of the different esters but honestly they have been bouncing anyways. Sust should be pinned EOD at the least for stable levels. It has short and long esters. The shortest of them will be clearing and then rising again pinning twice weekly. Just get the Cyp and finish the cycle. You’ll be fine.
I always thought you were suppose to front load Sust250 for the first 2 weeks? And everybodies bodies act differently. Some need nothing, some need a lot. I personally wouldn’t want to chance having high estrogen levels or the chance of gyno…
I wouldn’t bother running the winny at all. Pretty pointless IMO unless you’re going to compete. Very harsh on the joints and hairline. If you wanna run an oral at the end I’d say tbol or dbol or even var but if it were me I’d just stick to the test.
Also watch out for emotional sides during PCT if you run the clomid. In which case I’d say stick to
Nolvadex only. Taking it before bed may help with this a bit.
I’ve used HCG for the first time on my last cycle and going off was a breeze, and the balls stayed HUGE and manly like they’re supposed to be all cycle
Seriously, I won’t do a cycle without it anymore, but it’s not mandatory. While I’m much better using it, it wasn’t that bad without it.
Using an AI though is important, for libido, prostate, etc. Not just for gyno. Control that E2! People on TRT use it, so at the higher levels we use on cycle, why go without it?
