well nothing justifies those actions, personal vendetta maybe. he was off duty so im pretty sure this wasnt sanctioned but he department. he was probably thinking that by wearing his uniform he could better justify his actions, but at the same time he wrongfully represented the department by wearing that uniform during the incident.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
Waylanderxx is obviously trolling. You people freak out over anything. Why are gregron and anonym the only calm and rational people in this thread? I will never understand the cop hate either…seems like everyone on the interwebz is quick to pass judgement. [/quote]
Cop hate? Everyone here isn’t talking about hating all cops. My next door neighbor is a cop. We get along great. Dude will call me if I leave my garage door open (I did this once) just to make sure I’m ok.
We are talking about the INSTITUTION of being a cop in this country and the FACT that they do cover up for each other and discourage acting against other cops if you do see something wrong.
You can’t even deny this…and acting like we shouldn’t have a problem with it is very strange.
THAT is why people say they “hate cops”…because even if you do know a great one, the institution itself is screwed from the ground up.
If this stuff was not being caught on film, people would be acting like people were making up the brutality…which obviously means there is tons of shit you don’t even know about.
As far as your support of “trolling”…no one claimed that poster wasn’t one. I do believe that is the point. if that is why you come here, then that is what you are. Why support the troll?[/quote]
Maybe not everyone, but the person who started the thread, TheBodyGuard, clearly hates any and all cops. angry chicken gave the impression that he did as well up until a few posts ago. Most people who posted in support of the OP also gave off that impression. I’m glad to hear that you don’t hate all cops.
It’s fine to have a hatred for the bad seeds in the law enforcement field but condemning a group as a whole due to the actions of a few is wrong in almost any instance.
I don’t ‘support’ trolling. I’m just saying that he’s trolling right now because people seem anxious to write him off as a racist when I don’t think he actually is.
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You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about so please refrain from speaking on my behalf. I have worked along side LEO throughout my life during security gigs and I even used to play basketball with a few. A childhood friend is the head of the FOP locally and my best friend’s sister is employed by the FOP and we grew up together.
When you can find me an officer named “the police”, I will happily apologize to that officer. X could not have made it any clearer; it’s the INSTITUTION and they are known as “the police”. Fuck them. It’s a corrupt institution. If it didn’t operate under the color of law, they would be prosecuted along side the mafia and organized crime under RICO.
To be a police officer represents the HIGHEST public trust and with that trust, should come THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF CONDUCT AND PROFESSIONALISM. The institution needs an overall and a cleaning from the floor up to the ceiling.
[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
well nothing justifies those actions, personal vendetta maybe. he was off duty so im pretty sure this wasnt sanctioned but he department. he was probably thinking that by wearing his uniform he could better justify his actions, but at the same time he wrongfully represented the department by wearing that uniform during the incident.[/quote]
And driving through 4 city’s never notified or called any of those police forces to stop my friend. No personal vendetta they did not know each other, he doesnt even live in the city the gym is at.
My wife was called in by IA for questioning, his whole line of questioning was had she been to our friends house or vise versa, had she had a sexual relationship with our friend.
As a service to the community and organization that is responsible for upholding the law and protecting the innocent why are they not held to the same standards as Fire Fighters, Paramedics or any other health care provider? Even if the are a corporation why do they not have oversight like other community service providers have?
[quote]DJHT wrote:
I will remind my friend that he is a communist and the $4000 he has shelled out to fight his case is just part of capitalism and to get over it.[/quote]
I was joking. I think that it is important to be asking the questions you are. I don’t know why things have gone the way they have, and I don’t know what to do about it. The problem is the majority of people cannot handle/protect themselves and were willing to resign the ability to do so over to police. This provides the illusion of safety and justice, but we have to care when injustice is being done to anyone not just ourselves or our friends. I hope things work out for your friend, be grateful he has the money to shell out, if he was poor/destitute he would be completely f-ed. Money is really freedom of speech in this country. The supreme court even ruled so recently when it said corporations have the right to contribute as much money as they want to political campaigns. If you really think about what that means it does imply that the more money you have the more freedom you have.
[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
point taken, i have no idea what kind of experience you have had with the police force, im not so naive to believe that abuse of power doesnt occur, and again we shouldnt accpet it, but i would wager that the majority of people who bitch about cops are people that people who have experinced a cop being a dick about a speeding ticket or busting up a party. most people have not experienced police brutality. With an organization as large as law enforcement, bad shit will happen, but most of cops are good and have poured their lives into protecting others, and they dont deserve to be held accountable for some rogue idiots actions. the individuals who’s actions are in question, and those who enabled those actions, which isnt the entire force, deserve the blame.[/quote]
You are completely misguided.
First, it shouldn’t matter what anyone’s personal experience with cops is; if there are abuses, they affect us all and should be rooted out. And we know for a fact that there are abuses and they are not necessarily “the exception”. There is certainly a pattern of conduct in some major cities and in some departments. It matters not whether someone experiences police brutality, NO ONE SHOULD SUFFER POLICE BRUTALITY. Yet, everyday someone does. And everyday, someone suffers an abuse of power. Ever. Single. Fucking. Day.
We have repeatedly stated this isn’t about “good cops”, but even what you refer to as “good cops” are NOT good cops of they stand idly by and do not inform on those that abuse their power. And they usually, overwhelmingly DO NOT. So no, you’re not a good cop of you witness an abuse of authority and just go along with the tide, anymore than you would be a “good guy” just because you didn’t participate in the gang rape of a girl that your “bad” friend participated in, but you stood idly by and did nothing.
Yes, THEY DO deserve to be held accountable. What the fuck is wrong with accountability. For crying out loud, you can take high school kids and put them in a military academy and you can make those teenage fuck nuts accountable for a classmate cheating, but you cannot LEO be held to a high standard? Are you fucking kidding me? Every “good” cop on the force of that department in the video IS accountable for that jerkoff in the video because guess what? I bet you one or more worked with the asshole and is aware of his conduct and prior transgressions. Do you think this cop was a rogue? LMFAO. I bet you my last dollar this is the manner in which he discharges his duties on a regular basis.
If you’re going to debate this, at least understand the issues and stop blindly defending “good cops” when we are talking about an institution that needs an overhaul.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
As a service to the community and organization that is responsible for upholding the law and protecting the innocent why are they not held to the same standards as Fire Fighters, Paramedics or any other health care provider? Even if the are a corporation why do they not have oversight like other community service providers have? [/quote]
Come on, who is going to police the police? and who is going to police them? It is a total joke. As long as we view or give people more power than others there is going to be abuse.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
I will remind my friend that he is a communist and the $4000 he has shelled out to fight his case is just part of capitalism and to get over it.[/quote]
I was joking. I think that it is important to be asking the questions you are. I don’t know why things have gone the way they have, and I don’t know what to do about it. The problem is the majority of people cannot handle/protect themselves and were willing to resign the ability to do so over to police. This provides the illusion of safety and justice, but we have to care when injustice is being done to anyone not just ourselves or our friends. I hope things work out for your friend, be grateful he has the money to shell out, if he was poor/destitute he would be completely f-ed. Money is really freedom of speech in this country. The supreme court even ruled so recently when it said corporations have the right to contribute as much money as they want to political campaigns. If you really think about what that means it does imply that the more money you have the more freedom you have. [/quote]
So was I, sorry internet fails at sarcasm.
I would like to hear how many issue have occurred with STATE POLICE vs Local.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
I will remind my friend that he is a communist and the $4000 he has shelled out to fight his case is just part of capitalism and to get over it.[/quote]
I was joking. I think that it is important to be asking the questions you are. I don’t know why things have gone the way they have, and I don’t know what to do about it. The problem is the majority of people cannot handle/protect themselves and were willing to resign the ability to do so over to police. This provides the illusion of safety and justice, but we have to care when injustice is being done to anyone not just ourselves or our friends. I hope things work out for your friend, be grateful he has the money to shell out, if he was poor/destitute he would be completely f-ed. Money is really freedom of speech in this country. The supreme court even ruled so recently when it said corporations have the right to contribute as much money as they want to political campaigns. If you really think about what that means it does imply that the more money you have the more freedom you have. [/quote]
I know why things are this way…because those cops who are fucking with everyone else haven’t targeted the upper class non-minority folks yet. As long as people can say “those people must be doing something wrong to cause it” the problem will remain.
The moment some politician gets his daughter harassed (God help them if she’s cute) then change will come.
The problem is, you still have people acting like they can’t believe this happens…even when it is caught on tape.
Why do people think it’s EVER a good idea to not cooperate with te cops on ANY level?
“Take your hands out of your pockets”
“Yessir” (should’ve been the guys response)
You can’t be stubborn and expect the cops to fine with it. You have to GIVE them control before they feel the need to TAKE it through uneccessary violence.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
As a service to the community and organization that is responsible for upholding the law and protecting the innocent why are they not held to the same standards as Fire Fighters, Paramedics or any other health care provider? Even if the are a corporation why do they not have oversight like other community service providers have? [/quote]
Come on, who is going to police the police? and who is going to police them? It is a total joke. As long as we view or give people more power than others there is going to be abuse. [/quote]
Very easily we currently have structures in place like I said state licenses with regulations.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I know why things are this way…because those cops who are fucking with everyone else haven’t targeted the upper class non-minority folks yet. As long as people can say “those people must be doing something wrong to cause it” the problem will remain.
The moment some politician gets his daughter harassed (God help them if she’s cute) then change will come.
The problem is, you still have people acting like they can’t believe this happens…even when it is caught on tape.
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That is a good point. I am sure though that it is a long time coming before cops can’t tell if it is a rich personal daughter. There are plenty of indicators that are provided type of car, cloths, ect.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
Why do people think it’s EVER a good idea to not cooperate with te cops on ANY level?
“Take your hands out of your pockets”
“Yessir” (should’ve been the guys response)
You can’t be stubborn and expect the cops to fine with it. You have to GIVE them control before they feel the need to TAKE it through uneccessary violence.
[/quote]
Do you actually read what people type or just throw out your opinion? What happens if you take your hands out of your pockets and say yes sir. Then he starts punching you in the face and then claims you took your hands out of your pockets and threw a punch?
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I know why things are this way…because those cops who are fucking with everyone else haven’t targeted the upper class non-minority folks yet. As long as people can say “those people must be doing something wrong to cause it” the problem will remain.
The moment some politician gets his daughter harassed (God help them if she’s cute) then change will come.
The problem is, you still have people acting like they can’t believe this happens…even when it is caught on tape.
[/quote]
That is a good point. I am sure though that it is a long time coming before cops can’t tell if it is a rich personal daughter. There are plenty of indicators that are provided type of car, cloths, ect.[/quote]
True…and with that, the number of times I get pulled over has gone from several to once just because of changing cars…and the one time I got pulled over, his reason for doing so was, “we have seen a lot of new cars getting robbed around this area lately”.
Yeah, you guys let me know the next time you get pulled over in new cars JUST IN CASE you stole it.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
Why do people think it’s EVER a good idea to not cooperate with te cops on ANY level?
“Take your hands out of your pockets”
“Yessir” (should’ve been the guys response)
You can’t be stubborn and expect the cops to fine with it. You have to GIVE them control before they feel the need to TAKE it through uneccessary violence.
[/quote]
If everyone cooperated with the cops and followed the laws why would we need them? Plus there are numerous times that the cops don’t follow the laws and still use violence to enforce their agenda. Are you to just comply then? If you think so move to Indiana where their supreme court just rules that you do not have the right to stop unlawful entry by a policy officer in to your home. You can fight it after they throw you in jail. Put total faith in the justice system america, they never get it wrong.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
Why do people think it’s EVER a good idea to not cooperate with te cops on ANY level?
“Take your hands out of your pockets”
“Yessir” (should’ve been the guys response)
You can’t be stubborn and expect the cops to fine with it. You have to GIVE them control before they feel the need to TAKE it through uneccessary violence.
[/quote]
If everyone cooperated with the cops and followed the laws why would we need them? Plus there are numerous times that the cops don’t follow the laws and still use violence to enforce their agenda. Are you to just comply then? If you think so move to Indian where their supreme court just rules that you do not have the right to stop unlawful entry by a policy officer in to your home. You can fight it after they though you in jail. Put total faith in the justice system america, they never get it wrong. [/quote]
Agreed. I really don’t think some of these people understand the implications of giving these people this much power.
I’m a grown man. Why can’t they speak to me like one?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Agreed. I really don’t think some of these people understand the implications of giving these people this much power.
I’m a grown man. Why can’t they speak to me like one?
[/quote]
I know this Persian body builder out here that drives a 5 series coupe. He is only 5"9 176 pounds, but looks huge. He got pulled over by a cop on the way back from the gym for no seat belt, the cop felt threatened and had him get out of the car and on his knees and cuffed him for a seat belt violation. The point being that he did nothing other than being very muscular to make the cop feel threatened and was only issued that single violation and then released.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
Waylanderxx is obviously trolling. You people freak out over anything. Why are gregron and anonym the only calm and rational people in this thread? I will never understand the cop hate either…seems like everyone on the interwebz is quick to pass judgement. [/quote]
Cop hate? Everyone here isn’t talking about hating all cops. My next door neighbor is a cop. We get along great. Dude will call me if I leave my garage door open (I did this once) just to make sure I’m ok.
We are talking about the INSTITUTION of being a cop in this country and the FACT that they do cover up for each other and discourage acting against other cops if you do see something wrong.
You can’t even deny this…and acting like we shouldn’t have a problem with it is very strange.
THAT is why people say they “hate cops”…because even if you do know a great one, the institution itself is screwed from the ground up.
If this stuff was not being caught on film, people would be acting like people were making up the brutality…which obviously means there is tons of shit you don’t even know about.
As far as your support of “trolling”…no one claimed that poster wasn’t one. I do believe that is the point. if that is why you come here, then that is what you are. Why support the troll?[/quote]
Maybe not everyone, but the person who started the thread, TheBodyGuard, clearly hates any and all cops. angry chicken gave the impression that he did as well up until a few posts ago. Most people who posted in support of the OP also gave off that impression. I’m glad to hear that you don’t hate all cops.
It’s fine to have a hatred for the bad seeds in the law enforcement field but condemning a group as a whole due to the actions of a few is wrong in almost any instance.
I don’t ‘support’ trolling. I’m just saying that he’s trolling right now because people seem anxious to write him off as a racist when I don’t think he actually is.
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You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about so please refrain from speaking on my behalf. I have worked along side LEO throughout my life during security gigs and I even used to play basketball with a few. A childhood friend is the head of the FOP locally and my best friend’s sister is employed by the FOP and we grew up together.
When you can find me an officer named “the police”, I will happily apologize to that officer. X could not have made it any clearer; it’s the INSTITUTION and they are known as “the police”. Fuck them. It’s a corrupt institution. If it didn’t operate under the color of law, they would be prosecuted along side the mafia and organized crime under RICO.
To be a police officer represents the HIGHEST public trust and with that trust, should come THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF CONDUCT AND PROFESSIONALISM. The institution needs an overall and a cleaning from the floor up to the ceiling. [/quote]
“If you’re LEO, watch this, then go fuck yourself.”
Seems pretty clear to me. You are just an old man who loves arguing on the internet and telling stories about how much of a badass you were/are. Go capitalize some more words in your response to someone else because I hate interacting with you. You are the epitome of a vile old man and the biggest internet hardass on this site. Please do not respond to my post.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
Waylanderxx is obviously trolling. You people freak out over anything. Why are gregron and anonym the only calm and rational people in this thread? I will never understand the cop hate either…seems like everyone on the interwebz is quick to pass judgement. [/quote]
Damnit dude!
I’m reaching new levels of notoriety here! All the white people think Prof X is racist and now all the black people think I’m racist.
I’m trying to take over here and you’re fucking it up…
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Agreed. I really don’t think some of these people understand the implications of giving these people this much power.
I’m a grown man. Why can’t they speak to me like one?
[/quote]
I know this Persian body builder out here that drives a 5 series coupe. He is only 5"9 176 pounds, but looks huge. He got pulled over by a cop on the way back from the gym for no seat belt, the cop felt threatened and had him get out of the car and on his knees and cuffed him for a seat belt violation. [/quote]
They take one look at me and one hand goes and rests on their gun. try to be calm minutes after leaving the gym when that happens and the reason they pulled you over is because the car was too nice. I had that cop act like I was on drugs because my hands were shaking a little…but that was because I just finished a whole routine and had enough adrenalin running through me to fuel the Olympics.
The more they feel threatened, the more of an ass they act like…and I always get the little ones for some reason.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The more they feel threatened, the more of an ass they act like…and I always get the little ones for some reason.[/quote]
Not to rub in my white privileged, but I loved living in Galveston being white and driving a new pick up. I got pulled over at least 6 times and was never given a citation.