Seriously, F the Police

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[quote]Bujo wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Seriously, if you’re LEO, watch this, and then go fuck yourself. And then go fuck yourself again. And again. And again. And again.

Fuck.

You.[/quote]

Fuck You.

I firmly believe that anyone who has ever had their ass whipped by half a dozen cops was being a major fucking asshole, shitting on everyone and everything around them, and deserved the beating they got. It’s not that fucking hard to go about one’s day to day business without getting a major fucking beat down.[/quote]

NO.

Fuck you.

Explain what the guy in the video did to deserve the beat down. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Seriously, if you’re LEO, watch this, and then go fuck yourself. And then go fuck yourself again. And again. And again. And again.

Fuck.

You.[/quote]

Nice thread title. I’m sure my maternal grandfather would’ve appreciated it. He had to inform families that their children were dead, got his nose broken three times by violent criminals, got spat on from a passing tram whilst on point duty, saved a woman from drowning and spent his spare time working for charities and at the local police citizens youth club.[/quote]

And I’m sure more than once he witnessed a fellow cop break or abuse the law and DID NOTHING.

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[quote]supa power wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]supa power wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Oh, I see. Did that come from the Book of Completely Fabricated and Nonsense Statistics?[/quote]

You’re the type of person I would like to punch in the throat. [/quote]

Me or the ostrich? Because I don’t think that’s fair to the ostrich…[/quote]

Anonym, the guy who posted it and was sucking your cock in regards to your comment. Cute[/quote]

I thought it was posted facetiously, personally. Sounds like a sarcastic laugh at what I freely admit was a lame joke. I still thought it was funny.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Working security for 3 years in TN has made me really not like 90% of the black people in this state soooooooo…yah.[/quote]

Is this different than what many people in this thread are saying about police officers?

I don’t endorse either view, but isn’t he saying the same thing a lot of the other posters are saying, only about black people instead of police officers?[/quote]

^^ THIS. it isn’t really any different… But saying “F the police!” is ok and “F black people!” isn’t. Using big sweeping generalizations to classify a group of people, be it race, career, religion, it’s a recipe for nothing good IMO. They’re both messed up views IMO

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Wow! Waylander knows ALL the black people in his state! Amazing! [/quote]

^^not all, only 90%… Sooooooooo its not really that amazing lol[/quote]

omfg I have to actually refer you to X’s post for proper rebuttal. One is an institution with a mission and code. The other is a race of random people.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
The actions of a cop represent ALL COPS.[/quote]

What does the actions of one precinct across the country have to do with the actions of the independent PD in my home town, outside of the shared profession?

Did my buddy’s dad cheer on the officer who beat the dude in the article?[/quote]

Because a cop (anywhere) that will intervene or even turn in a fellow cop for illegal behavior or crossing a boundary is a unicorn. And we both know unicorns do not exist, unless we apply the rules of quantum mechanics, in which case, they can exist, but they are exceedingly rare.

So, we can safely say “fuck the police” because if they, as an organization, had any code or honor toward lawful conduct, would have weeded out the bad apples long ago and on a continuing basis. Instead, the dynamic you witnessed in the OP is the usual. You had one very angry, out of control asshole ranting and raving, trampling the civil rights of all involved, breaking the law, and his partner (in crime) standing idly by making peanut gallery comments. Do ya think his partner turned his ass in? No. Do you think his partner would have intervened? fuck no.

That’s the problem in a nutshell.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
I never said vein black was the same as being a cop with a badge. I did say that the thought process of “F cops!” and “F black people” were both dumb and dangerous ways of thinking.

I included religion in my comment as well because I think that is a more accurate comparison to the police force. Should we have the attitude of “F Muslims!” because of 9/11 or other terrorist attacks? Are all Muslims now terrible?

Also, no one ever said being black was now an occupation. Please stick to the facts and don’t try to put words in other people’s mouths. That’s why we can never have a normal conversation on this site for more than a page.[/quote]

There are Muslims the world over that renounce terrorism and many more that cooperate in the fight against terrorism. Meanwhile, the “good cops” (as you call them, but I take exception to that term) across the country stand by idly while the “bad apples” conduct their campaign of terror.

See the difference there?

Or is the blue line or wall of silence merely an urban myth in your opinion?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Working security for 3 years in TN has made me really not like 90% of the black people in this state soooooooo…yah.[/quote]

whoa.[/quote]

That shocked you?
[/quote]

Shocked me a bit.

I typed out a few replies to him, but… best not to I think. Soooo…

Whoa x2[/quote]

Then I would say you all need to pay more attention because the shit was glaring before.[/quote]

it’s so fun trolling Prof X. I knew he couldn’t resist commenting in this thread after that :slight_smile:

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
Why do I have this feeling that this thread may turn into another clusterfuck ?[/quote]

Because you’ve read the other “fuck da police” threads and they all turn out exactly like that?[/quote]

I rarely come to GAL, so it’s probably just a feeling.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I never said vein black was the same as being a cop with a badge. I did say that the thought process of “F cops!” and “F black people” were both dumb and dangerous ways of thinking.

I included religion in my comment as well because I think that is a more accurate comparison to the police force. Should we have the attitude of “F Muslims!” because of 9/11 or other terrorist attacks? Are all Muslims now terrible?

Also, no one ever said being black was now an occupation. Please stick to the facts and don’t try to put words in other people’s mouths. That’s why we can never have a normal conversation on this site for more than a page.[/quote]

There are Muslims the world over that renounce terrorism and many more that cooperate in the fight against terrorism. Meanwhile, the “good cops” (as you call them, but I take exception to that term) across the country stand by idly while the “bad apples” conduct their campaign of terror.

See the difference there?

Or is the blue line or wall of silence merely an urban myth in your opinion?[/quote]

So there aren’t LEO’s the Natio over that renounce the actions of dirty cops?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I never said vein black was the same as being a cop with a badge. I did say that the thought process of “F cops!” and “F black people” were both dumb and dangerous ways of thinking.

I included religion in my comment as well because I think that is a more accurate comparison to the police force. Should we have the attitude of “F Muslims!” because of 9/11 or other terrorist attacks? Are all Muslims now terrible?

Also, no one ever said being black was now an occupation. Please stick to the facts and don’t try to put words in other people’s mouths. That’s why we can never have a normal conversation on this site for more than a page.[/quote]

There are Muslims the world over that renounce terrorism and many more that cooperate in the fight against terrorism. Meanwhile, the “good cops” (as you call them, but I take exception to that term) across the country stand by idly while the “bad apples” conduct their campaign of terror.

See the difference there?

Or is the blue line or wall of silence merely an urban myth in your opinion?[/quote]

So there aren’t LEO’s the Natio over that renounce the actions of dirty cops?[/quote]

Serpico retired in '72.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
I don’t think that people who aren’t/weren’t part of the military or a para-military organization really understand this or see it that way X.[/quote]

I guess this is it. I know the cops in my town are hard but fair and have saved my ass on an occasion or two. I know the cops in one of my neighboring towns are tumbling dickweeds. I’ve always compartmentalized each town’s PD into their own earned opinion.

But then, I’ve never heard of a situation where my town was forced to compromise any sort of ethical obligations for the sake of a “cover-up”… so I’m open to all points of view on these sorts of situations.

My experience with LEO has, on the whole, been mostly positive, so that certainly colors my perception.

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That’s true, you don’t pick your race. But I think it is just as close-minded to say that all black people suck as it is to say that all cops suck. I understand everyone’s points, but…to say “go fuck yourself” to every single person that is part of a group because there are some (or even many, I am not arguing the amount particularly) who are bad people…to me that’s the same as what waylander said.

Yes, you choose to be a cop, but anybody that thinks that ALL cops choose to be cops BECAUSE they are bad people or BECAUSE they don’t care about people getting beaten up is truly uninformed. Like I said before, I can offer you two examples of people who want to be police officers because they want to PROTECT AND SERVE. You would condemn me before I’ve done anything wrong, the same as the person who immediately dislikes a black person because of his experience with some.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
I thought it was posted facetiously, personally. Sounds like a sarcastic laugh at what I freely admit was a lame joke. I still thought it was funny.[/quote]

The ostrich laugh is a sarcastic laugh… but is this seriously the type of offense where I get offered a plane ticket out to his neck of the woods for fisticuffs?

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

^^not all, only 90%… Sooooooooo its not really that amazing lol[/quote]

Yeap. I totally agree. Not amazing at all.

90% of the black population of TN goes to that cunt’s club only. Yeap. 90% of TN state blacks love to hang out in night clubs and cause trouble. I saw the stats, man. For real. That’s the only club in the whole state. So amazing, they all rush there.

Oh by the way, if that cunts worked at other clubs too, 90% of the blacks went to those clubs too. 90% just love to follow him around, ya know?

Yeap. that cunt might as well go work for all whites night club so he won’t have to complain about his pig dick being tail gated by blacks.[/quote]

Yah, I’m prejudiced towards black people who dress like they are straight out of a music video, which is a lot here. You’ll get over it.

You have no idea what I’ve seen or who I’ve dealt with. Forming these stereotypes/prejudices allow me to thrive and not get my ass kicked in that work environment. If a black guy walks in with dreads, a gold grill, tatted up etc etc. I’m gonna keep my eye on him because experience has proven these are the people that will always cause trouble.

Yah, I’m a little harsh in my judgments. Maybe because 6 black UT football players are allowed to beat the shit out of a police officer who tried to break up a fight where they were hitting ONE white guy with bar stools. They send both white guys to the hospital, the cop to the ICU with a fractured skull and guess what, the black guys WEREN’T EVEN PUNISHED.

Last week another group of black guys decided to curb stomp, literally curb stomp a white guy outside the club down the street after it was closing. These are just a few of the countless incidents I’ve witnessed and I’m sure you black folks have a million and one cop/white people stories so don’t even act all high and mighty on me with your equality BS.

One of my roommates and best friends is a black guy, there’s plenty of good guys out there. 90% was definitely a bit much haha. I like an educated well spoken black guy the same as I’d like a similar white guy. I’d not like a ratty ass looking white guy the same as a similar black guy, end of story.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I never said vein black was the same as being a cop with a badge. I did say that the thought process of “F cops!” and “F black people” were both dumb and dangerous ways of thinking.

I included religion in my comment as well because I think that is a more accurate comparison to the police force. Should we have the attitude of “F Muslims!” because of 9/11 or other terrorist attacks? Are all Muslims now terrible?

Also, no one ever said being black was now an occupation. Please stick to the facts and don’t try to put words in other people’s mouths. That’s why we can never have a normal conversation on this site for more than a page.[/quote]

There are Muslims the world over that renounce terrorism and many more that cooperate in the fight against terrorism. Meanwhile, the “good cops” (as you call them, but I take exception to that term) across the country stand by idly while the “bad apples” conduct their campaign of terror.

See the difference there?

Or is the blue line or wall of silence merely an urban myth in your opinion?[/quote]

So there aren’t LEO’s the Natio over that renounce the actions of dirty cops?[/quote]

Serpico retired in '72.

[/quote]

LOL.

As it stands, it seems that if you do become someone who turns fellow cops in, you won’t have a very nice time at work for long.

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[quote]eeu743 wrote:
That’s true, you don’t pick your race. But I think it is just as close-minded to say that all black people suck as it is to say that all cops suck. I understand everyone’s points, but…to say “go fuck yourself” to every single person that is part of a group because there are some (or even many, I am not arguing the amount particularly) who are bad people…to me that’s the same as what waylander said. Yes, you choose to be a cop, but anybody that thinks that ALL cops choose to be cops BECAUSE they are bad people or BECAUSE they don’t care about people getting beaten up is truly uninformed. Like I said before, I can offer you two examples of people who want to be police officers because they want to PROTECT AND SERVE. You would condemn me before I’ve done anything wrong, the same as the person who immediately dislikes a black person because of his experience with some.[/quote]

Once again for the people who can’t seem to grasp it, when you are a PART OF AN ORGANIZATION with matching fucking uniforms and very popular emblems and signs that let people know exactly who you are, your actions represent the actions of your entire fucking organization.

That is not the same as being black at all unless YOUR actions represent the actions of all white people.

This line of thought is ridiculous and the very issue with racism today.

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This could all be fixed quite easily by the way. A few random thoughts:

First, institute a strict honor code. If your fellow officer breaks the law or Department regulation and a fellow officer is present and witnesses the conduct and does not promptly and immediately report said breach, they are subject to punishment up to and including dismissal and loss of pension benefits, with a preference toward dismissal.

Next, bite the bullet, make the necessary small tax rate increase, and make LEO a higher paying position, and simultaneously raise the educational and psychological requirements for admittance to the Academy. Make it a professional occupation and pay it accordingly.

The first two above alone would restore faith in the badge after a long enough period (along with weeding out the bad cops).

Make the recording (video and audio) of all traffic stops the law. Period. In fact, the audio and video of all encounters should be the law. It’s nothing to mount a pin hole camera to a LEO uniform.

Enhanced criminal penalties for LEO breaking the law. It’s the highest public trust, and it should be penalized severely when it is broken. They have enhanced penalties for “hate crimes”; I ask you, isn’t a public official with authority abusing that authority engaging in a crime exceeding a “hate crime”? Break the law as a cop, and you’re getting the broomstick up the ass.

Get rid of the FOP and this ridiculous Union that fights to protect bad cops. Motherfucker, you should be subject to the same god damn standards for keeping your job that most Americans are. You should be subject to unfettered evaluation and discipline, as your employer (the Department) sees fit. There is no place for a Union involved in an occupation with the highest public trust, protecting the lazy and poor performers. The shenanigans the FOP engages to protect bad cops is ridiculous - and they are often successful. And the public pays for it when these employment cases (when they do dismiss a cop) go to Court. The union pays for the attorney, and YOU the taxpayer pay for your local government to defend.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I never said vein black was the same as being a cop with a badge. I did say that the thought process of “F cops!” and “F black people” were both dumb and dangerous ways of thinking.

I included religion in my comment as well because I think that is a more accurate comparison to the police force. Should we have the attitude of “F Muslims!” because of 9/11 or other terrorist attacks? Are all Muslims now terrible?

Also, no one ever said being black was now an occupation. Please stick to the facts and don’t try to put words in other people’s mouths. That’s why we can never have a normal conversation on this site for more than a page.[/quote]

There are Muslims the world over that renounce terrorism and many more that cooperate in the fight against terrorism. Meanwhile, the “good cops” (as you call them, but I take exception to that term) across the country stand by idly while the “bad apples” conduct their campaign of terror.

See the difference there?

Or is the blue line or wall of silence merely an urban myth in your opinion?[/quote]

So there aren’t LEO’s the Natio over that renounce the actions of dirty cops?[/quote]

Why don’t you renounce your opinion?

But I’ll play along with you.

Renouncing is NOT enough. If you can’t differentiate between the passive “renounce” and the lawful (required because they are charged with discharging the LAW) proactive intervention and “outing” of bad cops, then I don’t know what else to say to you.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I don’t think that people who aren’t/weren’t part of the military or a para-military organization really understand this or see it that way X.[/quote]

I guess this is it. I know the cops in my town are hard but fair and have saved my ass on an occasion or two. I know the cops in one of my neighboring towns are tumbling dickweeds. I’ve always compartmentalized each town’s PD into their own earned opinion.

But then, I’ve never heard of a situation where my town was forced to compromise any sort of ethical obligations for the sake of a “cover-up”… so I’m open to all points of view on these sorts of situations.

My experience with LEO has, on the whole, been mostly positive, so that certainly colors my perception.[/quote]

Dude, MOST of my town’s cops are great. Professional, friendly, doing their job. But guess what? Even they had one or two bad apples. One in particular survived in his job far too long (with rank) until the dumb lazy drunk wife beating bastard cock sucker coward was home sleeping (while on duty) while a dunkin donuts was being robbed. A neighboring department had to respond. Then, and only then, did he “lose” his job (forced retirement - yes, we have to pay for this cocksucker’s retirement).

Now, do you think this worthless piece of shit’s first transgression was sleeping at home that night? Fuck no. All those good decent guys on my town’s force undoubtedly witnessed this dickhead in action at one point or the other and did or said nothing. And if they did say something, it was “locker room” talk and the brass either did nothing or were powerless to do anything because of the union.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I never said vein black was the same as being a cop with a badge. I did say that the thought process of “F cops!” and “F black people” were both dumb and dangerous ways of thinking.

I included religion in my comment as well because I think that is a more accurate comparison to the police force. Should we have the attitude of “F Muslims!” because of 9/11 or other terrorist attacks? Are all Muslims now terrible?

Also, no one ever said being black was now an occupation. Please stick to the facts and don’t try to put words in other people’s mouths. That’s why we can never have a normal conversation on this site for more than a page.[/quote]

There are Muslims the world over that renounce terrorism and many more that cooperate in the fight against terrorism. Meanwhile, the “good cops” (as you call them, but I take exception to that term) across the country stand by idly while the “bad apples” conduct their campaign of terror.

See the difference there?

Or is the blue line or wall of silence merely an urban myth in your opinion?[/quote]

So there aren’t LEO’s the Natio over that renounce the actions of dirty cops?[/quote]

Serpico retired in '72.

[/quote]

LOL.

As it stands, it seems that if you do become someone who turns fellow cops in, you won’t have a very nice time at work for long.[/quote]

I was thinking about Serpico as I read through this thread, well, before the Way derail, but therein is the crux of the problem. Until assurances can be made - who in their right mind is going to come forward against a department when that department view ‘probably guilty’ as excuse enough to beat on a guy. When the Captain or Major turn a blind eye with one and a sly wink of approval with the other - just where do you go?

And that’s really the heart of it. It’s the guys up top who ultimately have control of their departments and should weed out the animals - regardless of arrest rate.

As has been pointed out: once you don that uniform you have a duty, and that duty isn’t to treat people like inferior beasts.