September 11, 2001

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I was driving to my community college when I heard on the news that a plane had crashed into one of the towers, the dj made it out to sound like a small plane accidentally hit it. I knew right away that couldnt have been the case. I walked to my class on campus but no one was around. I saw people gathered around a TV in another classroom, including my professor, and they told me that a Big passenger plane had crashed into the tower and that class was cancelled.

I got home I walked into the living room to see my dad sitting on the couch watching the news, as soon as I sat down, the second plane hit. I remember looking into his eyes, both of us realizing what we were actually witnessing. The rest of the day was a blur of news reports and emotions. I found out later in the day that one of my best friend’s dad was in one of the towers.

One of my strongest memories of that tragedy will always be the day of his dads funeral when I gave him a hug, and this always reserved 18 year old, who never showed emotion, broke down in my arms.

I pray for all the family’s who were stricken by loss because of this tradgedy.

NEVER FORGET!
9/11

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
TO ALL NON AMERICAN CITIZENS:

Fact number 1:

America is the current superpower of the world.

This is a political historical fact.

In other words: America Rules.
[/quote]

No it doesn’t you ignoramus.

Haven’t you seen Star Wars? That is exactly what the Galactic Empire does. What happens when they take up the “since supremacy rules and by force of nature it does as it wills when it wills and how it wills” attitude? The people of the Galaxy revolt and start the Rebellion.

If the US actually did take your attitude. Something similar to above would happen.

Different countries react differently to power that they have. IE Germany in the 1930’s & 40’s. It all comes down to the leaders and the Government in control.

Your blanket statements are truly ignorant.

Obviously.

What could be happening? Terrorism? Well on all accounts the Australian Police are arresting people in Melbourne and Sydney with grand plans to blow shit up.

We were the targets in Bali where 91 Aussies went down and because we followed you guys into Iraq and Afganistan, we are now in their top 3 targets.

There will be an attack over here in the next 5 years. No doubt at all. Why? Because we went over to “Find WOMD in Iraq” following the rulers of Earth.

Ruling earth. Get off your high horse and take a look around. That is a fucking disgusting attitude.

Truth? An arrogant and ignorant opinion at best.

By the way, if you can’t even control Iraq, how could you rule Earth.

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[quote]Sean_H wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Sean_H wrote:
I was expecting a reply such as that, but as i stated, i wasnt effected at a personal level. I am not saying this isnt realy a big deal, it is, but im saying it isnt a big deal to me. Anyway, ill go back to reading and not posting.

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.

Fuck you.

Oh no, i said something which was not the major opinion, i must be insulted. I’d think this site as a whole would know what it’s like to be a minority, from other threads it seems like it. Yet you can’t be a minority within the minority…

Thank you wfifer for trying to explain, and if my post screws it up, sorry.

[/quote]

No. You’re just a little bit of an asshole. You’d probably have the same response for the lone woman whose husband was murdered or the little girl whose cat was hit by a car. Each one death. Neither affecting you ‘personally’.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
TO ALL NON AMERICAN CITIZENS:

Fact number 1:

America is the current superpower of the world.

This is a political historical fact.

In other words: America Rules.

You need to get this because in the greater scheme of things it doesn’t matter what America does since supremacy rules and by force of nature it does as it wills when it wills and how it wills. Your country of origin would have followed the same methodology regardless of the issues. Same game, different players.

Fact number 2:

You were born where you were born by accident.

This is a biological objective fact.

In other words: Your national identity is a random act.

You need to get this because in the greater sheme of things you could have been born anywhere, including America. You didn’t chose it. You had no control over it. You had no choice over it - there was no tag attached to your genetic code specifying your country of origin.

You just happened to be produced in the womb of a woman who happened to be based on a certain piece of soil in the earth, the only planet currently available to sustain life may I add, and that is where your head first popped.

Given these two facts may I remind you to cease your national emotional attachments for one moment of clarity and presence of mind to see things from a greater perspective and get this objective, logical fact that all of this could have been happening in your existing piece of soil that you think of as an extension of yourself.

In other words: It could have been your precious country rulling the earth and being the object of hatred by the rest of us.

Please understand this.

This is a simple, objective truth.

WTF?

I concur?[/quote]

Which part of the “simple, objective truth.” Do you not understand.

Nah, I’m with you guys.

WTF?

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[quote]Bootsie wrote:
wfifer wrote:
This is precisely why I can’t stand hearing about this shit anymore. When the attacks occurred, there was an outpouring of sympathy from across the globe. But when things like this happen elsewhere, how many Americans actually give a shit?

Thats idiotic. So i guess then when that Tsunami hit in 2005 in SE Asia, us americans just sat here and said that sucks for them. We didnt donate millions and millions of dollars or lend tremendous support by providing counseling for the victims or the countless american red cross volunteers who helped rebuild?[/quote]

If you want to be accurate, our government’s intial offering was a pittance in comparison to our net worth and the comparable contributions of other countries. Until there was a public outcry and pressue. Only then did we provide reasonable aid.

We ain’t heroes. We do a lot of good in the world. We also do bad. Some of the good is based on altruistic motives. Some is to serve our own self-interest. I’m not faulting us per se. But that is the reality. Certainly we don’t deserve to be bombed and attacked by religious zealots, bent on the takng of innocent live. Not by any means. That is for sure.

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I was asleep at the time. I woke up to my phone ringing. It was my fire chief, he explained everything and said they were putting a truck together to go. I packed my bags and my gear and waited for my call to leave. By the time the mutal aid was approved and we made the drive, we got there and were turned back.

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[quote]G.O.A.T wrote:

Which part of the “simple, objective truth.” Do you not understand.

Nah, I’m with you guys.

WTF?[/quote]

The part where I am not American and this is not the political forum and this a memorial thread where you overgrown school boys can’t keep your gross lack of self respect for the loss of human life wherever that may be without trying to pass the buck and blame this or that other government whilst forgetting to act responsibly in your own humanity to honor and respect the suffering of others without having to go into your political diatribes.

There is no “them versus us”.

Your ignorance and lack of respect for life is evident in a simple thread like this where you can’t keep it on topic and have to vent about your fragile egos on political points when this is not about your issues. What difference is there between you and “them” when you show the same lack of value for human life and step over the dead just to get your “opinion on America” across?

Your country is no different. We are all corrupted.

Corruption Rules and overrules human nature, on any soil, on any generation.

The arrogance is ours collectively to think that our particular country is any different.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
G.O.A.T wrote:

Which part of the “simple, objective truth.” Do you not understand.

Nah, I’m with you guys.

WTF?

The part where I am not American and this is not the political forum and this a memorial thread where you overgrown school boys can’t keep your gross lack of self respect for the loss of human life wherever that may be without trying to pass the buck and blame this or that other government whilst forgetting to act responsibly in your own humanity to honor and respect the suffering of others without having to go into your political diatribes.

There is no “them versus us”.

Your ignorance and lack of respect for life is evident in a simple thread like this where you can’t keep it on topic and have to vent about your fragile egos on political points when this is not about your issues. What difference is there between you and “them” when you show the same lack of value for human life and step over the dead just to get your “opinion on America” across?

Your country is no different. We are all corrupted.

Corruption Rules and overrules human nature, on any soil, on any generation.

The arrogance is ours collectively to think that our particular country is any different.
[/quote]

Fine. The only sense that you have made today is that this is a memorial forum and we should take this outside.

I remember when the plane crashed into the building. I rang my cousins who lived in NY at the time to see if my uncle was at work in the South building that day.

The poor/lucky guy had come down sick and couldn’t make work that day. All his colleagues are now dead and he cheated death.

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Some of these replies remind me of an email I got last week:

Mouse Story …
A mouse looked through the crack in the wall to see the farmer and his wife open a package.
“What food might this contain?” The mouse wondered - he was devastated to discover it was a mousetrap.
Retreating to the farmyard, the mouse proclaimed the warning.

“There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!”
The chicken clucked and scratched, raised her head and said, “Mr. Mouse, I can tell this is a grave concern to you but it is of no consequence to me. I cannot be bothered by it.”
The mouse turned to the pig and told him, “There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!”
The pig sympathized, but said, “I am so very sorry, Mr. Mouse, but there is nothing I can do about it but pray. Be assured you are in my prayers.”
The mouse turned to the cow and said, “There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!”
The cow said, “Wow, Mr. Mouse. I’m sorry for you, but it’s no skin off my nose.”
So, the mouse returned to the house, head down and dejected, to face the farmer’s mousetrap-- alone.
That very night a sound was heard throughout the house – like the sound of a mousetrap catching its prey.
The farmer’s wife rushed to see what was caught. In the darkness, she did not see it was a venomous snake whose tail the trap had caught.
The snake bit the farmer’s wife.
The farmer rushed her to the hospital and she returned home with a fever. Everyone knows you treat a fever with fresh chicken soup, so the farmer took his hatchet to the farmyard for the soup’s main ingredient. But his wife’s sickness continued, so friends and neighbors came to sit with her around the clock. To feed them, the farmer butchered the pig. The farmer’s wife did not get well; she died.
So many people came for her funeral, the farmer had the cow slaughtered to provide enough meat for all of them.
The mouse looked upon it all from his crack in the wall with great sadness.
So, the next time you hear someone is facing a problem and think it doesn’t concern you, remember –
when one of us is threatened, we are all at risk. We are all involved in this journey called life.
We must keep an eye out for one another and make an extra effort to encourage one another.

Author Unknown

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Lothario - an excellent post.

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[quote]G.O.A.T wrote:
Fine. The only sense that you have made today is that this is a memorial forum and we should take this outside.

[/quote]
I thank you for your understanding. As lothario’s post above also reminds us: We are all in it togehter.

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Awesome post lothario. I couldn’t have said it any better.

When I made this thread, Alpha F hit it right on the head. I wanted it to be a memorial thread so that we could remember those lost on 9/11. Somewhere along the line, it turned into sean_H, wfifer and a couple other people vs. everybody else on this thread. I don’t understand how you can go from remembering how you spent that tragic day to talking about WORLD WAR 2.

My heart goes out to all those who lost loved ones 5 years ago. I will never forget seeing those horrific images on CNN that day, and for weeks afterward. But what this thread has turned into is ridiculous. Why are we fighting over why America is better than some one else’s country? Who cares? Politics suck. Stupid arguments on threads like this SUCK. Can we please go back to remembering those lost instead of bashing those who are indifferent? America isn’t the greatest country in the world. It’s just the richest. Now let’s get back to honoring those brave men and women who died that day.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
TO ALL NON AMERICAN CITIZENS:

Fact number 1:

America is the current superpower of the world.

This is a political historical fact.

In other words: America Rules.

You need to get this because in the greater scheme of things it doesn’t matter what America does since supremacy rules and by force of nature it does as it wills when it wills and how it wills. Your country of origin would have followed the same methodology regardless of the issues. Same game, different players.

Fact number 2:

You were born where you were born by accident.

This is a biological objective fact.

In other words: Your national identity is a random act.

You need to get this because in the greater sheme of things you could have been born anywhere, including America. You didn’t chose it. You had no control over it. You had no choice over it - there was no tag attached to your genetic code specifying your country of origin.

You just happened to be produced in the womb of a woman who happened to be based on a certain piece of soil in the earth, the only planet currently available to sustain life may I add, and that is where your head first popped.

Given these two facts may I remind you to cease your national emotional attachments for one moment of clarity and presence of mind to see things from a greater perspective and get this objective, logical fact that all of this could have been happening in your existing piece of soil that you think of as an extension of yourself.

In other words: It could have been your precious country rulling the earth and being the object of hatred by the rest of us.

Please understand this.

This is a simple, objective truth.

WTF?[/quote]

Let her go, she’s on a roll.

DB

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[quote]The Ox wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
America joined the war before 1941. The American Navy and Merchant Marine risked their lives in the North Atlantic shipping food and weaponry to England and Russia.

American military pilots and their support crews were seperated from the military to fight against the Nazi attacks on Britain and the Japanese attacks on China. This was done at the request of the US government.

I’m talking officially and on the level they should have been involved since day 1.

[/quote]

It’s more of a GLOBAL marketplace now. This is the difference in thought.

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What started as a fairly poignant thread for people to discuss their memories of that day has degraded into a bunch of nonsense that is ruining this thread.

You want to debate politics? Take it to the politics forum. This is the exact reason I avoid that area now, so please don’t wash it all over into here.

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[quote]Kuz wrote:
What started as a fairly poignant thread for people to discuss their memories of that day has degraded into a bunch of nonsense that is ruining this thread.

You want to debate politics? Take it to the politics forum. This is the exact reason I avoid that area now, so please don’t wash it all over into here.[/quote]

Infact this post should have been there so i wouldn’t have vistited it and got… say… 5 people hating me because of my opinions.

my original post and second post were on topic, almost all the posts refering or quoting me were off topic and were only trying to flame me, FUCK, i even said it is a big deal. and even someone who made a big deal about me not caring much about it said they forgot to watch the fucking show and instead watched american football, that realy fucks yourself up the ass doesn’t it?

Anyway, on topic again.

I wonder when the current situation about etremely religous terrorists will be over and we can go back to having no war, no crisis. Surely we can have some peace for a period of 10 or more years. But then again, as TC once posted a while back, will it be good for induvidual countries?

Please excuse the spellings, my microsoft word doesn’t want to load.

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[quote]Sean_H wrote:

my original post and second post were on topic, almost all the posts refering or quoting me were off topic and were only trying to flame me, FUCK, i even said it is a big deal. [/quote]

From your first post:
“I was never realy affected by it at a personal level, so i don’t know why people are still thinking it as a big thing. To me, it was just some buildings where people worked, they were bound to die some die soon or later.”

What am I missing? Oh yeah, how you think 9/11 is a big deal. Anyone who can’t figure out how 9/11 is a big deal to some, have not taken ANY time to stop and think about how it could be a big deal to someone else.

[quote]
Anyway, on topic again.

I wonder when the current situation about etremely religous terrorists will be over and we can go back to having no war, no crisis. Surely we can have some peace for a period of 10 or more years. But then again, as TC once posted a while back, will it be good for induvidual countries?[/quote]

No, the topic was September 11, 2001 - share your memories. Sadly, I think the debate you spurred has driven this thread so far off topic that it can’t be saved at this point.

[quote]
Please excuse the spellings, my microsoft word doesn’t want to load.[/quote]

This says a lot about your personal make up, to me. You can’t even proofread your own post. MS Word does not proofread content, only spelling and grammar, and it doesn’t do a great job of those either. In other words, you may not want to rely on Word as your proofreader. If you took the time proof your own work, you might realize that the way you say something is often just as important (if not more so) as what you are trying to say.

I realize you’re not even old enough to drink yet, so I will chalk this up as human-skills ignorance. But this thread probably isn’t the best place for you to learn your interpersonal skills on the fly. Learn to pick and choose your situations a little more carefully and you may find that people are a little less anxious to jump down your throat when you say something idiotic.

DB

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[quote]Sean_H wrote:
Infact this post should have been there so i wouldn’t have vistited it and got… say… 5 people hating me because of my opinions.
[/quote]

Sean,

My post was not directed solely at you and was really more to people turning this into a huge political debate. My issue with your post was that this was a thread with people providing some rather heartfelt stories about that day. I really question your judgment to put in that first post.

This isn’t a question of having a different opinion… it’s a matter of exercising some common sense as to what is the appropriate forum to make certain points. I have no idea why your post (which I did not take to be political, just callous) would have fit with the rest of the thread.

Kuz

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I was at work and someone said they heard it on the radio, it was a sad day for America.

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Luckily, i was fortunate enough to not have lost anyone on that day. a girl i knew in high schools father was on flight 93. seeing her pain at the memorial service ignited SO MUCH anger in me. that was the same plane my grandmother has used multiple times to come visit us from california. watching all these clips on t.v. again fires me up beyond belief again and makes me feel like a piece of shit because i am not over fighting for our country. my heart goes out to all the real heroes and anyone who lost someone.