[quote]Deorum wrote:
Tell that to the public schools I have personally attended. Care to try that?[/quote]
That’s your rebuttal?
Those kids had the right to wear the t-shirt. The District has stated that the assistant principal made a wrong decision.
It’s going to be good next year and on 4th of July.
We need more Jim Brossards in the world.
Americans cant wear american flag shirts on the fifth of may but mexicans can wear brown pride shirts the other 364 days of the year with no on complianing.
The pussy’s that run this country are pussy’s.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
Tell that to the public schools I have personally attended. Care to try that?[/quote]
That’s your rebuttal?
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Sure was. I’m relying on actual experience instead of “oh this should or shouldn’t happen” bullshit. Care to one up me?
Well I think we all knew this would happen.
Those students that were sent home for wearing the American flag are suing.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Well I think we all knew this would happen.
Those students that were sent home for wearing the American flag are suing.
http://cbs13.com/local/morgan.hill.lawsuit.2.1769022.html[/quote]
Doesn’t look like the ACLU is the one helping them out. My predicition is that they will win, but not get any money. Maybe a couple hundered bucks. The Lawyers will get most of the cash.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Well I think we all knew this would happen.
Those students that were sent home for wearing the American flag are suing.
http://cbs13.com/local/morgan.hill.lawsuit.2.1769022.html[/quote]
Doesn’t look like the ACLU is the one helping them out. My predicition is that they will win, but not get any money. Maybe a couple hundered bucks. The Lawyers will get most of the cash.[/quote]
Which is probably fine by them. Its the point that matters.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Well I think we all knew this would happen.
Those students that were sent home for wearing the American flag are suing.
http://cbs13.com/local/morgan.hill.lawsuit.2.1769022.html[/quote]
Doesn’t look like the ACLU is the one helping them out. My predicition is that they will win, but not get any money. Maybe a couple hundered bucks. The Lawyers will get most of the cash.[/quote]
Which is probably fine by them. Its the point that matters.[/quote]
I agree. The other side would want a million dollars for their pain and suffering.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Well I think we all knew this would happen.
Those students that were sent home for wearing the American flag are suing.
http://cbs13.com/local/morgan.hill.lawsuit.2.1769022.html[/quote]
Doesn’t look like the ACLU is the one helping them out. My predicition is that they will win, but not get any money. Maybe a couple hundered bucks. The Lawyers will get most of the cash.[/quote]
Which is probably fine by them. Its the point that matters.[/quote]
I agree. The other side would want a million dollars for their pain and suffering.[/quote]
Well duh! They’d want money for every time an American looked at them funny which of course caused repeated psychological trauma. lol
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
Tell that to the public schools I have personally attended. Care to try that?[/quote]
That’s your rebuttal?
[/quote]
Sure was. I’m relying on actual experience instead of “oh this should or shouldn’t happen” bullshit. Care to one up me?[/quote]
I think you’ve got this whole “law” thing kind of backwards. The Supreme Court > Your homeroom teacher.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
Tell that to the public schools I have personally attended. Care to try that?[/quote]
That’s your rebuttal?
[/quote]
Sure was. I’m relying on actual experience instead of “oh this should or shouldn’t happen” bullshit. Care to one up me?[/quote]
I think you’ve got this whole “law” thing kind of backwards. The Supreme Court > Your homeroom teacher.[/quote]
He won’t believe you. He’s 18 so he already knows everything from his life experience, like his high school experience.
In regards to this issue, so what do you think will happen next year? Will they make it a policy to not allow American flag items, or will they just send out letters reminding everyone to respect each other?
This is absurd. (Sending the kid home for the flag, that is.)
It’s an odd cultural thing, though … in college I would walk past a dorm room with a giant American flag in the window. My initial reaction was “It’s probably a bunch of dangerous creeps who live there.” Then I caught myself and thought “Why should I be afraid or turned off by my own flag?” But you probably know what I’m saying.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
This is absurd. (Sending the kid home for the flag, that is.)
It’s an odd cultural thing, though … in college I would walk past a dorm room with a giant American flag in the window. My initial reaction was “It’s probably a bunch of dangerous creeps who live there.” Then I caught myself and thought “Why should I be afraid or turned off by my own flag?” But you probably know what I’m saying.[/quote]
What is it you think engendered your initial old glory = dangerous creeps reaction? That’s also an honest question.
Nationalism/jingoism. Potentially right-wing. I grew up associating that whole mindset with fascism and violence. My split-second reaction is “Those people will beat me up.” Of course, thinking rationally from experience, that’s not always the case… it’s just the first instinct.
[quote]ron22 wrote:
Take a look at the pissed off Mexican kids…hopefully diabetes and obesity will kill these idiots off. I know I’ll look like a dick for saying that but hell, I don’t care how “incendiary” it may seem, you live in America, you SHOULD be able to wear red, white, and blue any goddamn time you want to.[/quote]
There’s just as much of a chance diabetes and obesity will kill of the American kids at that school, or have you forgotten about the obesity epidemic in your country?
Back to the point. This is absolutely retarded.If I was in those boys position and someone told me to turn my t shirt inside out I’d tell them to fuck off. Your country seems to have some seriously fucked up priorities a lot of the time. The boys were showing their pride in their own country, just as the Mexicans were showing pride in theirs. I hate when people forget whose country they’re in. And I’d be very much pro-immigration.
Also seriously jealous of the weather in that part of the world.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
This is absurd. (Sending the kid home for the flag, that is.)
It’s an odd cultural thing, though … in college I would walk past a dorm room with a giant American flag in the window. My initial reaction was “It’s probably a bunch of dangerous creeps who live there.” Then I caught myself and thought “Why should I be afraid or turned off by my own flag?” But you probably know what I’m saying.[/quote]
No… I don’t really know what you are saying. I would never have that thought if I saw my flag hanging in a window.
how sad.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Nationalism/jingoism. Potentially right-wing. I grew up associating that whole mindset with fascism and violence. My split-second reaction is “Those people will beat me up.” Of course, thinking rationally from experience, that’s not always the case… it’s just the first instinct.[/quote]
Well I’m certainly thrilled to hear that people who display the symbol of our country are not “always” violent fascists lol. It does sadden me though that this was your “first instinct”. This country has labored under all the human foibles that have plagued man since the beginning, but we have freed, fed and advanced more people than every other nation in history combined. That is my first grateful instinct upon viewing the stars n stripes.
I have a friend whose sister is a teacher at the school in question and according to her there is more to the story than meets the eye. Apparently, these students have a long history of incendiary behavior toward ethnic minorities. They’ve never been suspended before or received any other major form of punishment for this behavior in the past (to her knowledge; she’s only been there 2 years), but it is well-known throughout the school that these kids are fairly vocal for their dislike of the Mexican students, specifically those whose parents are immigrants (illegal or otherwise).
This teacher has also heard (admittedly a rumor) that the students had planned ahead of time to wear this clothing in an attempt to spark some sort of confrontation with the Mexican students. Whether this meant a fight or something more mundane is unknown. The fact that one of them is apparently of partially Hispanic descent is somewhat paradoxical.
I don’t like the fact that kids were sent home for wearing the American flag at all. But if what I have heard from a reliable source is true, then the kids were sent home more for their own protection and those of other students than as a form of anti-American totalitarianism. If the kids had worn any other type of shirt that was purposefully provocative in nature, the same thing would have happened. It’s a shame that they chose to wear the old Stars and Stripes in an attempt to spark controversy, but that’s apparently exactly what they’ve done. Given their history and the day that they all wore this clothing, the students may have been expressing their right to freedom of speech, but this particular avenue was not really about being “American”. It’s not for me to say what our freedoms should and should not be used for, but it seems to me that to use the freedom of speech to inconspicuously spread hate or racism or to denounce another citizens’ cultural heritage is a misuse of such freedom.
This isn’t an immigration issue whatsoever, nor is it a “what’s wrong with America because of liberalism” issue. This is simply an example of a couple allegedly racist kids trying to spark controversy and then calling it patriotism. I think it was the great Thomas Jefferson who said that patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. Sinclair Lewis once said that when fascism arrives in America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I have a friend whose sister is a teacher at the school in question and according to her there is more to the story than meets the eye. Apparently, these students have a long history of incendiary behavior toward ethnic minorities. They’ve never been suspended before or received any other major form of punishment for this behavior in the past (to her knowledge; she’s only been there 2 years), but it is well-known throughout the school that these kids are fairly vocal for their dislike of the Mexican students, specifically those whose parents are immigrants (illegal or otherwise).
This teacher has also heard (admittedly a rumor) that the students had planned ahead of time to wear this clothing in an attempt to spark some sort of confrontation with the Mexican students. Whether this meant a fight or something more mundane is unknown. The fact that one of them is apparently of partially Hispanic descent is somewhat paradoxical.
I don’t like the fact that kids were sent home for wearing the American flag at all. But if what I have heard from a reliable source is true, then the kids were sent home more for their own protection and those of other students than as a form of anti-American totalitarianism. If the kids had worn any other type of shirt that was purposefully provocative in nature, the same thing would have happened. It’s a shame that they chose to wear the old Stars and Stripes in an attempt to spark controversy, but that’s apparently exactly what they’ve done. Given their history and the day that they all wore this clothing, the students may have been expressing their right to freedom of speech, but this particular avenue was not really about being “American”. It’s not for me to say what our freedoms should and should not be used for, but it seems to me that to use the freedom of speech to inconspicuously spread hate or racism or to denounce another citizens’ cultural heritage is a misuse of such freedom.
This isn’t an immigration issue whatsoever, nor is it a “what’s wrong with America because of liberalism” issue. This is simply an example of a couple allegedly racist kids trying to spark controversy and then calling it patriotism. I think it was the great Thomas Jefferson who said that patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. Sinclair Lewis once said that when fascism arrives in America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
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So wearing the flag in and of itself “inconspicuously spreadshate or racism” and “denounces another citizen’s cultural heritage”?
In what kind of bizzarro world does the display of the flag denounce the heritage of the citizens of the country to which that flag belongs?
Oh wait, you mean the flag is offensive to non-citizen residents who are benefiting from our publicly funded school system and to citizens who are citizens only because of where they were born, but whose real allegiance lies south of the border.
You, along with many others, are intentionally blurring the line between legal and illegal immigrants.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I have a friend whose sister is a teacher at the school in question and according to her there is more to the story than meets the eye. Apparently, these students have a long history of incendiary behavior toward ethnic minorities. They’ve never been suspended before or received any other major form of punishment for this behavior in the past (to her knowledge; she’s only been there 2 years), but it is well-known throughout the school that these kids are fairly vocal for their dislike of the Mexican students, specifically those whose parents are immigrants (illegal or otherwise).
This teacher has also heard (admittedly a rumor) that the students had planned ahead of time to wear this clothing in an attempt to spark some sort of confrontation with the Mexican students. Whether this meant a fight or something more mundane is unknown. The fact that one of them is apparently of partially Hispanic descent is somewhat paradoxical.
I don’t like the fact that kids were sent home for wearing the American flag at all. But if what I have heard from a reliable source is true, then the kids were sent home more for their own protection and those of other students than as a form of anti-American totalitarianism. If the kids had worn any other type of shirt that was purposefully provocative in nature, the same thing would have happened. It’s a shame that they chose to wear the old Stars and Stripes in an attempt to spark controversy, but that’s apparently exactly what they’ve done. Given their history and the day that they all wore this clothing, the students may have been expressing their right to freedom of speech, but this particular avenue was not really about being “American”. It’s not for me to say what our freedoms should and should not be used for, but it seems to me that to use the freedom of speech to inconspicuously spread hate or racism or to denounce another citizens’ cultural heritage is a misuse of such freedom.
This isn’t an immigration issue whatsoever, nor is it a “what’s wrong with America because of liberalism” issue. This is simply an example of a couple allegedly racist kids trying to spark controversy and then calling it patriotism. I think it was the great Thomas Jefferson who said that patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. Sinclair Lewis once said that when fascism arrives in America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
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So wearing the flag in and of itself “inconspicuously spreadshate or racism” and “denounces another citizen’s cultural heritage”?
In what kind of bizzarro world does the display of the flag denounce the heritage of the citizens of the country to which that flag belongs?
Oh wait, you mean the flag is offensive to non-citizen residents who are benefiting from our publicly funded school system and to citizens who are citizens only because of where they were born, but whose real allegiance lies south of the border.
You, along with many others, are intentionally blurring the line between legal and illegal immigrants.[/quote]
Wearing the flag in and of itself is not offensive in any way. But it certainly can be worn in a manner that is intended to disparage the cultural heritage of someone else. If we were in Germany for instance, wearing the German flag is not incendiary at all. But wearing it to school on Yom Kippur of all days at a school that is predominantly Jewish, when you are known to some as an anti-Semite, is not patriotism and neither was this incident. It’s simply juvenile, possibly racist behavior cloaked in “patriotism”.
As for the illegal immigrant thing, I suggest you familiarize yourself with the demographics of the area before you begin to base your argument on false presumptions. While Morgan Hill has a large Hispanic population, most of the Hispanics in the city come from families who came there generations ago. Further down in Salinas is where there is a large community of immigrants, both legal and illegal, whose parents are not from here.
Again, the real issue here is the misuse of our flag to spread an anti-Mexican message. This is not patriotism and while it is a shame that the kids’ first amendment rights were violated, it is a MUCH larger shame that this is the manner in which those students chose to exercise their rights. The flag does not carry an innately negative message whatsoever, but like virtually anything in this world, it can be misused and in my humble opinion this was a blatant misuse of it.
Trying to drag the illegal immigration issue into this discussion only serves to distract from what really happened in Morgan Hill.