Sent Home for Wearing the Flag

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Fallen wrote:

i promised not to be inflammatory. But Irish isn’t that Nazism in a way? Rock, I’m sorry that you LIVE and SEE that DAILY…partner. You are wrong to some degree. Everyone integrates into the mainstream culture. Just like those drunkard, wife beating Irish are now as American as apple pie.

Nobody put a little 4 leaf clover or a bottle of whisky on their arms now did they? Those that dont integrate remain in their barrios, ghettos etc and become an eye sore as well as a drain on the system WE work hard to maintain. With PROPER immigration reform their numbers would controlled.

They are not the union’s only problem. They are not the source of the union’s problems. We have a door to door Ikea salesmen for a president, an economy run to the ground by corporate greed and stupid middle class people, and the list can go on.

A bunch of (insert racist term for a person of Mexican heritage) aren’t part of the problem but a small component to the greater issue. The flag is flying so low nowadays its hard not to piss on it. The blame can’t be put on one group. Its simply illogical.
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And as I’ve said before, the issues that people are claiming with the Mexicans are exactly the same issues that have been said over and over by every white person everytime a new group of immigrants arrives.

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That may be true, but it seems to me (from my own experience) that the old “new groups” tried pretty hard (and in fact were pretty much forced) to assimilate.

Language is a perfect example: All of my grandparents worked hard to master English, and didn’t get to shop or vote in Serbian or Arabic. They were, in fact, quite proud to become “American.”

None of this seems true today with the Mexicans, and that could portend a different ending than we’ve seen in the past.[/quote]

My family came to the US LEGALLY when I was 5 from India and we’re naturalized US citizens now. Apart from speaking our language at home, both my parents speak perfect English. My uncles and aunts are the same way. They’re all productive members of society…doctors, pharmacists, nurses.

Myself and all of my cousins, those born in India and those born here, are extremely proud to be American. Hell, I don’t think any of us even follow Indian culture really besides eating our food or knowing another language…although that’s partially because we’re Christian and not Hindu (all of Indian culture is based around Hinduism).

I totally agree with Chushin. There’s a degree of assimilation that must happen for things to work how they should and you definitely do not see it with Hispanics, atleast in the Western US. Here in MA, not so much a problem.

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This guy sums it up pretty good. He’s got some other good videos, too.

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It’s funny. With this whole Arizona thing (and this) the charges of racism and nazism are flying. The opposition to cracking down on illegal immigrants is quick to spring into action. Quick to cry foul when fed up citizens decide enough is enough. You know what I’ve noticed they’re not quick on? In fact, what has been completely absent from their side? An alternative.

That this has become a large financial and social problem for border states is indisputable. Nor is this the 1920’s, with little to no social welfare systems to overwhelm into oblivion, thus contributing to government budget woes. It’s becoming a major problem. And, demographic projections point to it only getiing worse as time goes on.

Yet again, for all the “we don’t like how you’re doing that!” there’s no alternative plan given for turning back illegals and securing the borders. There’s no acknowledgement that the federal government failed. Nor any demands that it finally get to work.

Instead, fellow americans are disparaged for demanding action. The hamsters spinning the tax wheel are the enemy, the people sneaking in and overwhelming local resources and services are the victims…

The only proposal I ever hear from the other side when this issue pops up is amnesty. Which leads me to believe they’re absolutely insane. You just acknowledged there’s a problem, and your proposal is to open up even more welfare/social services to illegal immigrants by making them all legal?

First how does this deal with continued illegal immigration after the fact? And, how is this not an incentive for even more illegal immigration? It’s just astonishing. I’ve never been able to figure that one out.

So what it is, peanut gallery? Are you all noise and no solutions? Do you have a plan to solve these states’ (and other states, in the future) illegal immigration problem. What is your plan for finally enforcing our laws? Time to share. Time to put something on the table, or shut up.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2508691/posts

This happened in the Houston Area on Cinco de Mayo. The kid actually threw the flag in the trash. He was interviewed by a local Radio Talk Show Host. This child is a Sophmore, and enrolled in ROTC.[/quote]

Now, he’s in the wrong.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Fallen wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Fallen wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]spyoptic wrote:
so apparently to these people you can’t identify yourself as mexican and american at the same time.? America and Mexican holidays cannot integrate WTF?!??![/quote]

You are correct in this assumption.

Mexicans want Mexico in America. They do not want to learn English or integrate. They don’t want to be American at all and want to “Take Back” California and the border states. They are not “Immigrants” in the sense we once understood.
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What???

Oh shit. You got access to their secret book of evil huh? [/quote]
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You do a whole lot of assuming mate. Remember…when you assume: you make an ass out of yourself.
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I reside in California and LIVE and SEE this DAILY…Mate! Please don’t tell me that what I see everyday is in fact something entirely different than what I actually experience.

Where are you from that you have such a keen insight as to telling me that I’m wrong?[/quote]

I’m also from SoCal… anyways, what can be said to be happening is that America’s national identity is shifting, as it always is and always will, into a different society. If we look into history we can see that cultures are constantly molding and integrating into each other, that doesn’t mean that a revolution is going to take place…

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Praise the Lord and pass the ammo.

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[quote]spyoptic wrote:
I’m also from SoCal… anyways, what can be said to be happening is that America’s national identity is shifting, as it always is and always will, into a different society[/quote]

I suppose this isn’t troubling if one believes every society is of equal value.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2508691/posts

This happened in the Houston Area on Cinco de Mayo. The kid actually threw the flag in the trash. He was interviewed by a local Radio Talk Show Host. This child is a Sophmore, and enrolled in ROTC.[/quote]

Now, he’s in the wrong. [/quote]

What an idiot. People with his mentality will make them the new blacks. The union does not respond with terrorism or threats of violence.

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Come the fuck on. If somebody was wearing an Afghan flag on 9/11 in Afghanistan in a mostly American populated school, you would send them home too. I’m just surprised those kids didn’t get beaten by their peers. You wanna wear your flag on the street? on any day? Go the fuck ahead. However its been stated many times you enter a public school and you forfeit your rights to them so this is NOT an issue of rights.

What it is, is teachers having their right to teach and students having their right to learn. These students were NOT going to learn in any class with American flags being waved on what they believe is a time to reflect on THEIR culture.

And if you want to label me Mr. unAmerican, politically correct - I’ll throw down $100 that says I make more beaner jokes, while having more Latino friends than anybody here.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
Come the fuck on. If somebody was wearing an Afghan flag on 9/11 in Afghanistan in a mostly American populated school, you would send them home too. I’m just surprised those kids didn’t get beaten by their peers. You wanna wear your flag on the street? on any day? Go the fuck ahead. However its been stated many times you enter a public school and you forfeit your rights to them so this is NOT an issue of rights.

What it is, is teachers having their right to teach and students having their right to learn. These students were NOT going to learn in any class with American flags being waved on what they believe is a time to reflect on THEIR culture.

And if you want to label me Mr. unAmerican, politically correct - I’ll throw down $100 that says I make more beaner jokes, while having more Latino friends than anybody here. [/quote]

With the huge exception that that these people celebrating with Mexican flags are actually Americans (and probably not even actual Mexicans), so American flags represent them too. And that the fifth of May was not a day the US committed a terrorist attack on Mexico and killed thousands of Mexicans. Other than those huge game changing differences, yeah, those situations are just alike.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=Xd6U6Uuzpr

apparently we are looking at a trend…

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
Come the fuck on. If somebody was wearing an Afghan flag on 9/11 in Afghanistan in a mostly American populated school, you would send them home too. I’m just surprised those kids didn’t get beaten by their peers. You wanna wear your flag on the street? on any day? Go the fuck ahead. However its been stated many times you enter a public school and you forfeit your rights to them so this is NOT an issue of rights.

What it is, is teachers having their right to teach and students having their right to learn. These students were NOT going to learn in any class with American flags being waved on what they believe is a time to reflect on THEIR culture.

And if you want to label me Mr. unAmerican, politically correct - I’ll throw down $100 that says I make more beaner jokes, while having more Latino friends than anybody here. [/quote]

With the huge exception that that these people celebrating with Mexican flags are actually Americans (and probably not even actual Mexicans), so American flags represent them too. And that the fifth of May was not a day the US committed a terrorist attack on Mexico and killed thousands of Mexicans. Other than those huge game changing differences, yeah, those situations are just alike.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=Xd6U6Uuzpr

apparently we are looking at a trend…[/quote]

They also beat the French on this day, any French folk in here?

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
You wanna wear your flag on the street? on any day? Go the fuck ahead. However its been stated many times you enter a public school and you forfeit your rights to them so this is NOT an issue of rights.

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“First Amendment rights, applied in light of the special characteristics of the school environment, are available to teachers and students. It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate.”
-The Supreme Court of the United States

Care to try again?

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Tell that to the public schools I have personally attended. Care to try that?

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[quote]TBT4ver wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
You wanna wear your flag on the street? on any day? Go the fuck ahead. However its been stated many times you enter a public school and you forfeit your rights to them so this is NOT an issue of rights.

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“First Amendment rights, applied in light of the special characteristics of the school environment, are available to teachers and students. It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate.”
-The Supreme Court of the United States

Care to try again?
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I believe the only right that is able to be waived is illegal search and seizure of a locker. By definition the locker is school property, so they have the right to search it all day. This is searching for drugs, and weapons of course.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
Tell that to the public schools I have personally attended. Care to try that?[/quote]

Sure: They tell you you can’t wear that or you go home. You say fuck off. They send you home. You sue. You win.

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[quote]TBT4ver wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
Tell that to the public schools I have personally attended. Care to try that?[/quote]

Sure: They tell you you can’t wear that or you go home. You say fuck off. They send you home. You sue. You win.[/quote]

lol.

A school down here in Texas gave a 3rd grader in school suspension for a week for possessing one Jolly Rancher Candy. The child that brought the whole bag, and gave the girl the candy, to school also received a week of in school suspension. First it was against the law, then once confronted by the girl’s parents it was school policy. The girl was going to put the candy in her back pack and take it home to eat.

Can you believe this crap.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]TBT4ver wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
Tell that to the public schools I have personally attended. Care to try that?[/quote]

Sure: They tell you you can’t wear that or you go home. You say fuck off. They send you home. You sue. You win.[/quote]

lol.

A school down here in Texas gave a 3rd grader in school suspension for a week for possessing one Jolly Rancher Candy. The child that brought the whole bag, and gave the girl the candy, to school also received a week of in school suspension. First it was against the law, then once confronted by the girl’s parents it was school policy. The girl was going to put the candy in her back pack and take it home to eat.

Can you believe this crap.[/quote]

Wow, thats even worse than the guy who was suspended for having simple tylenol.