I have been drug tested at least 4 times a year for the last 3 years , the reason given was “RANDOM” Lacking a reason would be unreasonable
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They drug test , not for impairment but to see if you have used drugs in a arbitrary period . You could smoke a joint and be as high as a kite and pee in a cup pass your test .It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search .
Credit scores were intended to assist a person or corporation that is in the business of loaning money not to discriminate against poor through higher rates charged for insurance or employment. It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search
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I’m not seeing how drug testing = corporations controlling you. My current job required one and my last job did not. So if you have a problem with being drug tested you can seek employment elsewhere, right?
I don’t know to what extent employers pull credit scores, but again I don’t see how them pulling your score = control. Being poor does not = having a low credit rating. Being rich does not = a high credit rating. It is actually one area where the playing field is fairly level.
I won’t argue it’s not an invasion of privacy, I agree there, but these aren’t examples of corps “controlling” us.
And I know no one is forcing me to work 
EYE ROLL
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have been drug tested at least 4 times a year for the last 3 years , the reason given was “RANDOM” Lacking a reason would be unreasonable [/quote]
That’s your company. Since I got out of the military I’ve been piss tested once, for my current job (have had 3).
I thought you were self employed?
Do you operate heavy machinery or is the company required by law to drug test you?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
And I know no one is forcing me to work EYE ROLL[/quote]
No one is forcing you to work THERE.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They drug test , not for impairment but to see if you have used drugs in a arbitrary period . You could smoke a joint and be as high as a kite and pee in a cup pass your test .It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search .
Credit scores were intended to assist a person or corporation that is in the business of loaning money not to discriminate against poor through higher rates charged for insurance or employment. It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search
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I’m not seeing how drug testing = corporations controlling you. My current job required one and my last job did not. So if you have a problem with being drug tested you can seek employment elsewhere, right? I went to Amsterdam last year , if I came back from where it is legal to smoke weed and flunk my drug test , not because I am impaired but because I smoke pot 3 weeks ago , what business is that of employer ?
I don’t know to what extent employers pull credit scores, but again I don’t see how them pulling your score = control. Being poor does not = having a low credit rating. Being rich does not = a high credit rating. It is actually one area where the playing field is fairly level.
I won’t argue it’s not an invasion of privacy, I agree there, but these aren’t examples of corps “controlling” us.
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have been drug tested at least 4 times a year for the last 3 years , the reason given was “RANDOM” Lacking a reason would be unreasonable [/quote]
The reason it’s “random” is because they randomly select employees to be screened. That’s how we (usmc) made sure no single Marine was singled out in a command because the is illegal as far as I know.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Would you care to explain your statement:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.
I would like to respond to it, but need a better idea of what you’re actually saying first.[/quote]
Our Corporations pay to get our Government officials elected and in return get laws passed that benefit the Corporate sponsors
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They don’t force anyone to vote for those elected. Am I correct in saying that your real problem is with government, not corporations(definition: A company or group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law.)?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have been drug tested at least 4 times a year for the last 3 years , the reason given was “RANDOM” Lacking a reason would be unreasonable [/quote]
The reason it’s “random” is because they randomly select employees to be screened. That’s how we (usmc) made sure no single Marine was singled out in a command because the is illegal as far as I know. [/quote]
with out reason is synonymous with unreason
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They drug test , not for impairment but to see if you have used drugs in a arbitrary period . You could smoke a joint and be as high as a kite and pee in a cup pass your test .It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search .
Credit scores were intended to assist a person or corporation that is in the business of loaning money not to discriminate against poor through higher rates charged for insurance or employment. It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search
[/quote]
I’m not seeing how drug testing = corporations controlling you. My current job required one and my last job did not. So if you have a problem with being drug tested you can seek employment elsewhere, right? I don’t know to what extent employers pull credit scores, but again I don’t see how them pulling your score = control. Being poor does not = having a low credit rating. Being rich does not = a high credit rating. It is actually one area where the playing field is fairly level.
I won’t argue it’s not an invasion of privacy, I agree there, but these aren’t examples of corps “controlling” us.
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Pitt wrote:
I went to Amsterdam last year , if I came back from where it is legal to smoke weed and flunk my drug test , not because I am impaired but because I smoke pot 3 weeks ago , what business is that of employer ?
I don’t know what to tell you except that in most states it is illegal to smoke weed in the U.S. Sounds like a legal problem not an employment problem.
Your example is also a bit unreasonable. How often do you go to Amsterdam, once every 10 years?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have been drug tested at least 4 times a year for the last 3 years , the reason given was “RANDOM” Lacking a reason would be unreasonable [/quote]
The reason it’s “random” is because they randomly select employees to be screened. That’s how we (usmc) made sure no single Marine was singled out in a command because the is illegal as far as I know. [/quote]
with out reason is synonymous with unreason
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The reason is it’s a RANDOM drug screening. That is the reason.
I have been with 4 companies in 3 years and will be changing in 2 to 3 months
^ Pitt they can’t just drug test you anytime they want to that would be discrimination. That is why they randomly select a certain % to be “randomly” tested. To make sure most people are following the rules. They could require a companywide piss test where everyone is required to take the test as well.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have been with 4 companies in 3 years and will be changing in 2 to 3 months [/quote]
If that’s a bad thing I’m sorry to hear that.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They drug test , not for impairment but to see if you have used drugs in a arbitrary period . You could smoke a joint and be as high as a kite and pee in a cup pass your test .It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search .
Credit scores were intended to assist a person or corporation that is in the business of loaning money not to discriminate against poor through higher rates charged for insurance or employment. It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search
[/quote]
I’m not seeing how drug testing = corporations controlling you. My current job required one and my last job did not. So if you have a problem with being drug tested you can seek employment elsewhere, right? I don’t know to what extent employers pull credit scores, but again I don’t see how them pulling your score = control. Being poor does not = having a low credit rating. Being rich does not = a high credit rating. It is actually one area where the playing field is fairly level.
I won’t argue it’s not an invasion of privacy, I agree there, but these aren’t examples of corps “controlling” us.
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Pitt wrote:
I went to Amsterdam last year , if I came back from where it is legal to smoke weed and flunk my drug test , not because I am impaired but because I smoke pot 3 weeks ago , what business is that of employer ?
I don’t know what to tell you except that in most states it is illegal to smoke weed in the U.S. Sounds like a legal problem not an employment problem.
Your example is also a bit unreasonable. How often do you go to Amsterdam, once every 10 years?
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doesn’t matter , I live 500 miles from Colorado
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have been with 4 companies in 3 years and will be changing in 2 to 3 months [/quote]
If that’s a bad thing I’m sorry to hear that. [/quote]
I am fine with it I make reasonable money for my efforts
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They drug test , not for impairment but to see if you have used drugs in a arbitrary period . You could smoke a joint and be as high as a kite and pee in a cup pass your test .It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search .
Credit scores were intended to assist a person or corporation that is in the business of loaning money not to discriminate against poor through higher rates charged for insurance or employment. It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search
[/quote]
I’m not seeing how drug testing = corporations controlling you. My current job required one and my last job did not. So if you have a problem with being drug tested you can seek employment elsewhere, right? I don’t know to what extent employers pull credit scores, but again I don’t see how them pulling your score = control. Being poor does not = having a low credit rating. Being rich does not = a high credit rating. It is actually one area where the playing field is fairly level.
I won’t argue it’s not an invasion of privacy, I agree there, but these aren’t examples of corps “controlling” us.
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Pitt wrote:
I went to Amsterdam last year , if I came back from where it is legal to smoke weed and flunk my drug test , not because I am impaired but because I smoke pot 3 weeks ago , what business is that of employer ?
I don’t know what to tell you except that in most states it is illegal to smoke weed in the U.S. Sounds like a legal problem not an employment problem.
Your example is also a bit unreasonable. How often do you go to Amsterdam, once every 10 years?
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doesn’t matter , I live 500 miles from Colorado
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Is weed illegal in the state you live in/your employer is located in? If so, unfortunately you are bound by their laws. Honestly I feel for you because I’m in a similar boat just for different reasons. I wanted to buy an AR-15 this year, but since I live in MD I can’t. That’s just how it is. If it’s that big a deal for me, I’d move, and I might.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I guess we are moving the discussion over here.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
It’s called a subsidy.[/quote]
and
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
If I want a job I have to submit to a drug test, My credit score can exclude for a job. My tax dollars are given to BIG WEALTHY corporations
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-Sometimes you have to take a drug test for employment. Why is that an issue for you?
-Your credit score is 100% on you
-Fine, sometimes tax dollars are give to corporations. SOMETIMES…
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They drug test , not for impairment but to see if you have used drugs in a arbitrary period . You could smoke a joint and be as high as a kite and pee in a cup pass your test .It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search .
Credit scores were intended to assist a person or corporation that is in the business of loaning money not to discriminate against poor through higher rates charged for insurance or employment. It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search
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Is your decision to allow certain people in your home not arbitrary, do you allow everyone access? In addition, it’s not an unreasonable search. It is neither an invasion of privacy nor an unreasonable search, it something to which you consent.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They drug test , not for impairment but to see if you have used drugs in a arbitrary period . You could smoke a joint and be as high as a kite and pee in a cup pass your test .It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search .
Credit scores were intended to assist a person or corporation that is in the business of loaning money not to discriminate against poor through higher rates charged for insurance or employment. It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search
[/quote]
I’m not seeing how drug testing = corporations controlling you. My current job required one and my last job did not. So if you have a problem with being drug tested you can seek employment elsewhere, right? I don’t know to what extent employers pull credit scores, but again I don’t see how them pulling your score = control. Being poor does not = having a low credit rating. Being rich does not = a high credit rating. It is actually one area where the playing field is fairly level.
I won’t argue it’s not an invasion of privacy, I agree there, but these aren’t examples of corps “controlling” us.
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Pitt wrote:
I went to Amsterdam last year , if I came back from where it is legal to smoke weed and flunk my drug test , not because I am impaired but because I smoke pot 3 weeks ago , what business is that of employer ?
I don’t know what to tell you except that in most states it is illegal to smoke weed in the U.S. Sounds like a legal problem not an employment problem.
Your example is also a bit unreasonable. How often do you go to Amsterdam, once every 10 years?
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doesn’t matter , I live 500 miles from Colorado
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Is weed illegal in the state you live in/your employer is located in? If so, unfortunately you are bound by their laws. Honestly I feel for you because I’m in a similar boat just for different reasons. I wanted to buy an AR-15 this year, but since I live in MD I can’t. That’s just how it is. If it’s that big a deal for me, I’d move, and I might.[/quote]
I could smoke pot in Colorado come back to Phx with NO DRUGS bring back the MATABOLITE of pot in my urine . Break NO LAWS and be fired all the same
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I guess we are moving the discussion over here.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
Of course I discriminate who come into my home , But I do not use their credit score nor should I be allowed access to their score for that purpose
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
It’s called a subsidy.[/quote]
and
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
If I want a job I have to submit to a drug test, My credit score can exclude for a job. My tax dollars are given to BIG WEALTHY corporations
[/quote]
-Sometimes you have to take a drug test for employment. Why is that an issue for you?
-Your credit score is 100% on you
-Fine, sometimes tax dollars are give to corporations. SOMETIMES…
[/quote]
They drug test , not for impairment but to see if you have used drugs in a arbitrary period . You could smoke a joint and be as high as a kite and pee in a cup pass your test .It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search .
Credit scores were intended to assist a person or corporation that is in the business of loaning money not to discriminate against poor through higher rates charged for insurance or employment. It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search
[/quote]
Is your decision to allow certain people in your home not arbitrary, do you allow everyone access?[/quote]
Of course I discriminate who come into my home , But I do not use their credit score nor should I be allowed access to their score for that purpose