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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They drug test , not for impairment but to see if you have used drugs in a arbitrary period . You could smoke a joint and be as high as a kite and pee in a cup pass your test .It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search .

Credit scores were intended to assist a person or corporation that is in the business of loaning money not to discriminate against poor through higher rates charged for insurance or employment. It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search
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I’m not seeing how drug testing = corporations controlling you. My current job required one and my last job did not. So if you have a problem with being drug tested you can seek employment elsewhere, right? I don’t know to what extent employers pull credit scores, but again I don’t see how them pulling your score = control. Being poor does not = having a low credit rating. Being rich does not = a high credit rating. It is actually one area where the playing field is fairly level.

I won’t argue it’s not an invasion of privacy, I agree there, but these aren’t examples of corps “controlling” us.
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Pitt wrote:
I went to Amsterdam last year , if I came back from where it is legal to smoke weed and flunk my drug test , not because I am impaired but because I smoke pot 3 weeks ago , what business is that of employer ?

I don’t know what to tell you except that in most states it is illegal to smoke weed in the U.S. Sounds like a legal problem not an employment problem.

Your example is also a bit unreasonable. How often do you go to Amsterdam, once every 10 years?

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doesn’t matter , I live 500 miles from Colorado
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Is weed illegal in the state you live in/your employer is located in? If so, unfortunately you are bound by their laws. Honestly I feel for you because I’m in a similar boat just for different reasons. I wanted to buy an AR-15 this year, but since I live in MD I can’t. That’s just how it is. If it’s that big a deal for me, I’d move, and I might.[/quote]
I could smoke pot in Colorado come back to Phx with NO DRUGS bring back the MATABOLITE of pot in my urine . Break NO LAWS and be fired all the same [/quote]

I don’t know what to tell you, find a company that doesn’t piss test.

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I have passed testes 3 days after smoking , either they like me and don’t want to fire me or Zinc works

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could smoke pot in Colorado come back to Phx with NO DRUGS bring back the MATABOLITE of pot in my urine . Break NO LAWS and be fired all the same [/quote]

Do you think it should be necessary to break a law in order for you to be fired?

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could smoke pot in Colorado come back to Phx with NO DRUGS bring back the MATABOLITE of pot in my urine . Break NO LAWS and be fired all the same [/quote]

Do you think it should be necessary to break a law in order to be fired?[/quote]

I think that with out a reason I should not be forced into a search

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Another example of corporations stepping above their rights that people have besides not being able to go to prison . Monsanto protection act just signed by Obama .

Another bill absolving a mining company" in the state of AZ" of any liability that would result in dumping million of gallons of sulfuric acid into the ground to harvest copper . (WHAT COULD GO WRONG WITH THAT?)

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Of course I discriminate who come into my home , But I do not use their credit score nor should I be allowed access to their score for that purpose [/quote]

I understand that you don’t use credit scores to determine who you allow in your home. However, if someone decides to use that criteria to determine who they allow in, do you think they should not be allowed to request it?

Private entities access your credit score only by your consent.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could smoke pot in Colorado come back to Phx with NO DRUGS bring back the MATABOLITE of pot in my urine . Break NO LAWS and be fired all the same [/quote]

Do you think it should be necessary to break a law in order to be fired?[/quote]

I think that with out a reason I should not be forced into a search
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Perhaps your employer is different than those I have worked for, but how are you forced into a search?

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could smoke pot in Colorado come back to Phx with NO DRUGS bring back the MATABOLITE of pot in my urine . Break NO LAWS and be fired all the same [/quote]

Do you think it should be necessary to break a law in order to be fired?[/quote]

I think that with out a reason I should not be forced into a search
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Perhaps your employer is different than those I have worked for, but how are you forced into a search?[/quote]

If I want a job I have to submit

Synonyms
noun. power - strength - might - potency - vigor - vigour
verb. compel - coerce - constrain - oblige - push - enforce

I mention COMPELL < COERCE OBLIGE

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Another example of corporations stepping above their rights that people have besides not being able to go to prison . Monsanto protection act just signed by Obama .

Another bill absolving a mining company" in the state of AZ" of any liability that would result in dumping million of gallons of sulfuric acid into the ground to harvest copper . (WHAT COULD GO WRONG WITH THAT?)[/quote]

Once again, your problem is with government intervention, correct?

I assume you mean the bill absolves a mining company of any liability that COULD result FROM dumping millions of gallons of sulfuric acid into the ground to harvest copper.

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Those are synonyms of the word force

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

Perhaps your employer is different than those I have worked for, but how are you forced into a search?[/quote]

If I want a job I have to submit

Synonyms
noun. power - strength - might - potency - vigor - vigour
verb. compel - coerce - constrain - oblige - push - enforce

I mention COMPELL < COERCE OBLIGE
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You qualified that statement with, “If I want a job…”

If a Christian church will hire only a Christian preacher, do you view that as a violation of the first amendment?

“If I want a job as a preacher at a Christian church, then I have to be a Christian.” That is not nearly the same as saying, “I have to be a Christian.”

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

Perhaps your employer is different than those I have worked for, but how are you forced into a search?[/quote]

If I want a job I have to submit

Synonyms
noun. power - strength - might - potency - vigor - vigour
verb. compel - coerce - constrain - oblige - push - enforce

I mention COMPELL < COERCE OBLIGE
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You qualified that statement with, “If I want a job…”

If a Christian church will hire only a Christian preacher, do you view that as a violation of the first amendment?

“If I want a job as a preacher at a Christian church, then I have to be a Christian.” That is not nearly the same as saying, “I have to be a Christian.”

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I understand the prerequisite of being a christian , totally different .

My employer has the right to COMPELL COERCE OBLIGE me to do anything they like because our Government has stacked the deck in their favor . That is what this discussion is about . I think that for my employer to say "to work for me you have no rights other than to get another job " is totally wrong

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

It mentions nothing of by whom we covered the definition of force COMPEL COERCE OBLIGE .

So with out a reason drug testing ia unconstitutional

Another point
shall not be violated, (AND) no Warrants shall issue, the right shall not be violated (AND) the warrant is a different issue

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
My employer has the right to COMPELL COERCE OBLIGE me to do anything they like because our Government has stacked the deck in their favor . That is what this discussion is about . I think that for my employer to say "to work for me you have no rights other than to get another job " is totally wrong
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How has the government stacked the deck in favor of employers?

I think it is wrong for you to say, “to enter my home, you must be allowed to by me.”

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
My employer has the right to COMPELL COERCE OBLIGE me to do anything they like because our Government has stacked the deck in their favor . That is what this discussion is about . I think that for my employer to say "to work for me you have no rights other than to get another job " is totally wrong
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How has the government stacked the deck in favor of employers?

I think it is wrong for you to say, “to enter my home, you must be allowed to by me.”

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one way allowing them to search with out reason

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

It mentions nothing of by whom we covered the definition of force COMPEL COERCE OBLIGE .

So with out a reason drug testing ia unconstitutional

Another point
shall not be violated, (AND) no Warrants shall issue, the right shall not be violated (AND) the warrant is a different issue [/quote]

Nowhere in the Bill of Rights does it say that citizens can’t choose not to exercise their rights. When you submit to a drug test, you have made a choice not to exercise your right to refuse it.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
one way allowing them to search with out reason
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The government does not do this, you do by choosing to work for someone.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

Perhaps your employer is different than those I have worked for, but how are you forced into a search?[/quote]

If I want a job I have to submit

Synonyms
noun. power - strength - might - potency - vigor - vigour
verb. compel - coerce - constrain - oblige - push - enforce

I mention COMPELL < COERCE OBLIGE
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You qualified that statement with, “If I want a job…”

If a Christian church will hire only a Christian preacher, do you view that as a violation of the first amendment?

“If I want a job as a preacher at a Christian church, then I have to be a Christian.” That is not nearly the same as saying, “I have to be a Christian.”

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I understand the prerequisite of being a christian , totally different .

My employer has the right to COMPELL COERCE OBLIGE me to do anything they like because our Government has stacked the deck in their favor . That is what this discussion is about . I think that for my employer to say "to work for me you have no rights other than to get another job " is totally wrong
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How is it totally different?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

It mentions nothing of by whom we covered the definition of force COMPEL COERCE OBLIGE .

So with out a reason drug testing ia unconstitutional

Another point
shall not be violated, (AND) no Warrants shall issue, the right shall not be violated (AND) the warrant is a different issue [/quote]

In principle I tend to agree with you on the above. It’s very similary to the discussion SMH and I had on guns in the work place. Why can a business restrict your constitutional rights? I donno, I think both sides to that debate have their points.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

It mentions nothing of by whom we covered the definition of force COMPEL COERCE OBLIGE .

So with out a reason drug testing ia unconstitutional

Another point
shall not be violated, (AND) no Warrants shall issue, the right shall not be violated (AND) the warrant is a different issue [/quote]

In principle I tend to agree with you on the above. It’s very similary to the discussion SMH and I had on guns in the work place. Why can a business restrict your constitutional rights? I donno, I think both sides to that debate have their points. [/quote]

A business can NOT restrict your Constitutional rights. At least not to my knowledge.