[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
He is a socialist[/quote]
Define socialist.[/quote]
When he opens his mouth, at any other time than an election, that’s when he is a hooker slumming for money. [/quote]
Really? Is that why he has prosecuted so many of the banksters AFTER the election?[/quote]
Never piss off someone you intend to shake down for money.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Zeppelin,
Can you tell me one Leftist place in America that is doing well ?
How about one Leftist place that is not flirting with bankruptcy ?
Europe tried it, FAILED.
NY, NJ, CA, Chicago, Detroit, all FAILED.
[/quote]
Seattle , there are just as many as you call LEFTIST:) places and RIGHTIST places doing well
Also you are calling all heavy Industrial areas leftist . Heavy Industry in America has taken a beating by this thing you call free market
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
He is a socialist[/quote]
Define socialist.[/quote]
When he opens his mouth, at any other time than an election, that’s when he is a hooker slumming for money. [/quote]
Really? Is that why he has prosecuted so many of the banksters AFTER the election?[/quote]
Never piss off someone you intend to shake down for money.
So he is a socailist.
[/quote]
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Please show me where it is one of the tenets of socialism to protect the ultra-rich at the expense of the middle class and poor. And oh yes, please footnote all of your notions otherwise it can’t be true. [/quote]
Seeing as that isn’t at all what I said, why would I need to show you anything.
Why don’t you go back a read what I wrote, then address that which I wrote, and we can talk about it.
Why am I not surprised you don’t get it?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Zeppelin,
Can you tell me one Leftist place in America that is doing well ?
How about one Leftist place that is not flirting with bankruptcy ?
Europe tried it, FAILED.
NY, NJ, CA, Chicago, Detroit, all FAILED.
[/quote]
Seattle , there are just as many as you call LEFTIST:) places and RIGHTIST places doing well
Also you are calling all heavy Industrial areas leftist . Heavy Industry in America has taken a beating by this thing you call free market
[/quote]
Name them, this oughta be quick.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Zeppelin,
Can you tell me one Leftist place in America that is doing well ?
How about one Leftist place that is not flirting with bankruptcy ?
Europe tried it, FAILED.
NY, NJ, CA, Chicago, Detroit, all FAILED.
[/quote]
Seattle , there are just as many as you call LEFTIST:) places and RIGHTIST places doing well
Also you are calling all heavy Industrial areas leftist . Heavy Industry in America has taken a beating by this thing you call free market
[/quote]
Name them, this oughta be quick.[/quote]
Name what , Cities , States , Countries , People, Industries ?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Zeppelin,
Can you tell me one Leftist place in America that is doing well ?
How about one Leftist place that is not flirting with bankruptcy ?
Europe tried it, FAILED.
NY, NJ, CA, Chicago, Detroit, all FAILED.
[/quote]
You can look at the Bank of North Dakota which is run by the state and failed to bankrupt during the 2008 meltdown. By the way it actually did quite good during the meltdown. This is a specific example of how a structure run for the benefit of everyone instead of profit for the shareholders can be quite successful. Europe is currently trying the neo-liberal economic position of austerity and it is pushing them back in to recession. I watched a videos of 2 conservative business people and a conservative host claiming that Europe needs to give austerity a chance. Where are these fools now? Ecuador was brought out of recession in 3 months with public spending - a oft looked at leftist economic model.
[/quote]
The Bank of North Dakota ? I think you mean the Credit Union of North Dakota. I am not opposed to using a Credit Union, just call it for what it is.
How did Europe get to where it is now ?
1/3 of a country’s citizens working for the government, collecting a pension, retiring at 50 ? These countries do not have massive military war machines the way we do.
Europe has massive government, huge taxation and regulation, Global Warming laws, high speed rail, government healthcare, and all went broke and sport massive unemployment.
Our governor touted Spain as the model to follow, Spain has an unemployment rate of 35%.
[/quote]
No I believe it is called the Bank of North Dakota.
The countries that are effected least by this recession are Germany and Scandanavia. Both countries have more government assistance than the rest of Europe.
The fact that Europe doesn’t have the huge military machine of the U.S. is only more of a reason we need to scale back military spending.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Please show me where it is one of the tenets of socialism to protect the ultra-rich at the expense of the middle class and poor. And oh yes, please footnote all of your notions otherwise it can’t be true. [/quote]
Seeing as that isn’t at all what I said, why would I need to show you anything.
Why don’t you go back a read what I wrote, then address that which I wrote, and we can talk about it.
Why am I not surprised you don’t get it?[/quote]
I made fun of people who actually believe Obama is a socialist. Your rebuttal was that indeed to bring about change in this country to the left was to act right by subterfuge. So in order to change this economy to the socialist fairytale that Obama wants he needs to protect wealth on the backs of the public in order to achieve this. He has to enact policies which are the exact opposite of his intentions. Is this your assertion?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Please show me where it is one of the tenets of socialism to protect the ultra-rich at the expense of the middle class and poor. And oh yes, please footnote all of your notions otherwise it can’t be true. [/quote]
Seeing as that isn’t at all what I said, why would I need to show you anything.
Why don’t you go back a read what I wrote, then address that which I wrote, and we can talk about it.
Why am I not surprised you don’t get it?[/quote]
I made fun of people who actually believe Obama is a socialist. Your rebuttal was that indeed to bring about change in this country to the left was to act right by subterfuge. So in order to change this economy to the socialist fairytale that Obama wants he needs to protect wealth on the backs of the public in order to achieve this. He has to enact policies which are the exact opposite of his intentions. Is this your assertion?[/quote]
Your avatar reminds me of putting a pillow in a pillow case 
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Please show me where it is one of the tenets of socialism to protect the ultra-rich at the expense of the middle class and poor. And oh yes, please footnote all of your notions otherwise it can’t be true. [/quote]
Seeing as that isn’t at all what I said, why would I need to show you anything.
Why don’t you go back a read what I wrote, then address that which I wrote, and we can talk about it.
Why am I not surprised you don’t get it?[/quote]
I made fun of people who actually believe Obama is a socialist. Your rebuttal was that indeed to bring about change in this country to the left was to act right by subterfuge. So in order to change this economy to the socialist fairytale that Obama wants he needs to protect wealth on the backs of the public in order to achieve this. He has to enact policies which are the exact opposite of his intentions. Is this your assertion?[/quote]
Your avatar reminds me of putting a pillow in a pillow case :)[/quote]
Yes and I would love to fall asleep on it.
bump
Would you care to explain your statement:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.
I would like to respond to it, but need a better idea of what you’re actually saying first.
I guess we are moving the discussion over here.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
It’s called a subsidy.[/quote]
and
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
If I want a job I have to submit to a drug test, My credit score can exclude for a job. My tax dollars are given to BIG WEALTHY corporations
[/quote]
-Sometimes you have to take a drug test for employment. Why is that an issue for you?
-Your credit score is 100% on you
-Fine, sometimes tax dollars are give to corporations. SOMETIMES…
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
It’s called a subsidy.[/quote]
I don’t follow. We pay taxes, corporations get subsidies, so corporations control us?
Do you know what % of corporations get subsidies? I don’t, I thought mostly famers and the like got subsidies.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I guess we are moving the discussion over here.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
It’s called a subsidy.[/quote]
and
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
If I want a job I have to submit to a drug test, My credit score can exclude for a job. My tax dollars are given to BIG WEALTHY corporations
[/quote]
-Sometimes you have to take a drug test for employment. Why is that an issue for you?
-Your credit score is 100% on you
-Fine, sometimes tax dollars are give to corporations. SOMETIMES…
[/quote]
Thanks, USMC. Those are two other statements I was hoping for an explanation of before responding.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I guess we are moving the discussion over here.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
It’s called a subsidy.[/quote]
and
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
If I want a job I have to submit to a drug test, My credit score can exclude for a job. My tax dollars are given to BIG WEALTHY corporations
[/quote]
-Sometimes you have to take a drug test for employment. Why is that an issue for you?
-Your credit score is 100% on you
-Fine, sometimes tax dollars are give to corporations. SOMETIMES…
[/quote]
Thanks, USMC. Those are two other statements I was hoping for an explanation of before responding.[/quote]
No problem.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Would you care to explain your statement:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.
I would like to respond to it, but need a better idea of what you’re actually saying first.[/quote]
Our Corporations pay to get our Government officials elected and in return get laws passed that benefit the Corporate sponsors
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I guess we are moving the discussion over here.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
It’s called a subsidy.[/quote]
and
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I also do not believe all the clap trap about Corporations being people , it is Fascism . Our Corporations control us almost as much as our GOV. and Corporations almost totally control our GOV.[/quote]
How do you figure? I can’t remember the last time a corporation made me buy their product.[/quote]
If I want a job I have to submit to a drug test, My credit score can exclude for a job. My tax dollars are given to BIG WEALTHY corporations
[/quote]
-Sometimes you have to take a drug test for employment. Why is that an issue for you?
-Your credit score is 100% on you
-Fine, sometimes tax dollars are give to corporations. SOMETIMES…
[/quote]
They drug test , not for impairment but to see if you have used drugs in a arbitrary period . You could smoke a joint and be as high as a kite and pee in a cup pass your test .It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search .
Credit scores were intended to assist a person or corporation that is in the business of loaning money not to discriminate against poor through higher rates charged for insurance or employment. It is an invasion of privacy and an unreasonable search
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Our Corporations pay to get our Government officials elected and in return give the officials an ownership interest in the corporation, and then get laws passed that benefit the Corporations which in turn benefits themselves.
[/quote]
Everyone gets a piece of the pie except the true middle class.
^fixed a little of your quote Pittbull forgot to write that. my bad.