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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

News flash: the banks!
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I totally agree , if the little guy would have made HUGE gains we would have PEOPLE IN PRISON
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Pitt if you agree with Zep then you have been knocked down a notch on the respect meter.[/quote]

WOW I AM GOING TO LOSE SLEEP OVER THAT ONE .
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Try this…srsly…srsly bro.

http://www.T-Nation.com/store/products/z-12[/quote]

I just may , thanks :slight_smile:

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Banks definitely put themselves first.

I am not absolving any one of anything , if they failed to pay their loan they will pay the price they lost their house they pay higher APRs on all credit , their Insurance will go up , they could lose their job
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I am fucking laughing my asss of :slight_smile: :slight_smile: Sorry , thanks :):slight_smile:

Thank you, that was all I was saying. There is plenty of blame to go around. Consumers included. [/quote]

It wouldn’t be crazy to cut the balme pie in 4 slices: borrowers & lenders, investment banks, AIG & government policy.

Whole lot of hands in that cookie jar, and anyone saying any one member of that group casued it is a hack, or one political party or one regulation or policy or whatever. People who think like that are lying to themselves. [/quote]

My point is (YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE MONEY) it tells who made a BIG FUCKING BENEFIT with (NO DOWN SIDE) :slight_smile:
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Everyone benefited before the collapse. People got houses they couldn’t afford, banks made tons of money, the banking industry had a ton of jobs, and the gov had a stimulated economy. When the bubble burst people lost their house and jobs, banks closed, tax payers suffered.

Who got this “BIG FUCKING BENEFIT with NO DOWN SIDE,” that you speak of?[/quote]

News flash: the banks!
[/quote]

I totally agree , if the little guy would have made HUGE gains we would have PEOPLE IN PRISON
[/quote]

Blame your boy Barackulous for no one being in prison, he is the prezzy. [/quote]

I am fucking laughing my asss of :slight_smile: :slight_smile: Sorry , thanks :):)[/quote]

I am not trying to be a dick, but Obama could have gone after those guys if he wanted to. [/quote]

we agree :slight_smile:

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Banks definitely put themselves first.

I am not absolving any one of anything , if they failed to pay their loan they will pay the price they lost their house they pay higher APRs on all credit , their Insurance will go up , they could lose their job
[/quote]

I am fucking laughing my asss of :slight_smile: :slight_smile: Sorry , thanks :):slight_smile:

Thank you, that was all I was saying. There is plenty of blame to go around. Consumers included. [/quote]

It wouldn’t be crazy to cut the balme pie in 4 slices: borrowers & lenders, investment banks, AIG & government policy.

Whole lot of hands in that cookie jar, and anyone saying any one member of that group casued it is a hack, or one political party or one regulation or policy or whatever. People who think like that are lying to themselves. [/quote]

My point is (YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE MONEY) it tells who made a BIG FUCKING BENEFIT with (NO DOWN SIDE) :slight_smile:
[/quote]

Everyone benefited before the collapse. People got houses they couldn’t afford, banks made tons of money, the banking industry had a ton of jobs, and the gov had a stimulated economy. When the bubble burst people lost their house and jobs, banks closed, tax payers suffered.

Who got this “BIG FUCKING BENEFIT with NO DOWN SIDE,” that you speak of?[/quote]

News flash: the banks!
[/quote]

I totally agree , if the little guy would have made HUGE gains we would have PEOPLE IN PRISON
[/quote]

Blame your boy Barackulous for no one being in prison, he is the prezzy. [/quote]

I am fucking laughing my asss of :slight_smile: :slight_smile: Sorry , thanks :):)[/quote]

I am not trying to be a dick, but Obama could have gone after those guys if he wanted to. [/quote]

Sp lets’s see this supposed socialist hasn’t gone after the money changers. Who’da thought?

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Sp lets’s see this supposed socialist hasn’t gone after the money changers. Who’da thought?[/quote]

A socialist wouldn’t break up cryonism as they slowly pushed the country left…

Pretty striaght forward if you think about it.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Sp lets’s see this supposed socialist hasn’t gone after the money changers. Who’da thought?[/quote]

A socialist wouldn’t break up cryonism as they slowly pushed the country left…

Pretty striaght forward if you think about it. [/quote]

Indeed, the frogs are in the water, as it slowly boils. This whole thing was done in baby steps.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Banks definitely put themselves first.

I am not absolving any one of anything , if they failed to pay their loan they will pay the price they lost their house they pay higher APRs on all credit , their Insurance will go up , they could lose their job
[/quote]

I am fucking laughing my asss of :slight_smile: :slight_smile: Sorry , thanks :):slight_smile:

Thank you, that was all I was saying. There is plenty of blame to go around. Consumers included. [/quote]

It wouldn’t be crazy to cut the balme pie in 4 slices: borrowers & lenders, investment banks, AIG & government policy.

Whole lot of hands in that cookie jar, and anyone saying any one member of that group casued it is a hack, or one political party or one regulation or policy or whatever. People who think like that are lying to themselves. [/quote]

My point is (YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE MONEY) it tells who made a BIG FUCKING BENEFIT with (NO DOWN SIDE) :slight_smile:
[/quote]

Everyone benefited before the collapse. People got houses they couldn’t afford, banks made tons of money, the banking industry had a ton of jobs, and the gov had a stimulated economy. When the bubble burst people lost their house and jobs, banks closed, tax payers suffered.

Who got this “BIG FUCKING BENEFIT with NO DOWN SIDE,” that you speak of?[/quote]

News flash: the banks!
[/quote]

I totally agree , if the little guy would have made HUGE gains we would have PEOPLE IN PRISON
[/quote]

Blame your boy Barackulous for no one being in prison, he is the prezzy. [/quote]

I am fucking laughing my asss of :slight_smile: :slight_smile: Sorry , thanks :):)[/quote]

I am not trying to be a dick, but Obama could have gone after those guys if he wanted to. [/quote]

Sp lets’s see this supposed socialist hasn’t gone after the money changers. Who’da thought?[/quote]

He is a socialist, at every other time except an election. Then he is a hooker taking bribes for favors.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

He is a socialist[/quote]

Define socialist.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Sp lets’s see this supposed socialist hasn’t gone after the money changers. Who’da thought?[/quote]

A socialist wouldn’t break up cryonism as they slowly pushed the country left…

Pretty striaght forward if you think about it. [/quote]

No it’s actually the exact opposite if you think about it. Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production. So the banks would be owned and managed by the public. What you have described is much closer to fascism.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Sp lets’s see this supposed socialist hasn’t gone after the money changers. Who’da thought?[/quote]

A socialist wouldn’t break up cryonism as they slowly pushed the country left…

Pretty striaght forward if you think about it. [/quote]

Indeed, the frogs are in the water, as it slowly boils. This whole thing was done in baby steps.[/quote]

You make as much sense as countingbeans, which isn’t much at all.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Sp lets’s see this supposed socialist hasn’t gone after the money changers. Who’da thought?[/quote]

A socialist wouldn’t break up cryonism as they slowly pushed the country left…

Pretty striaght forward if you think about it. [/quote]

No it’s actually the exact opposite if you think about it. Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production. So the banks would be owned and managed by the public. What you have described is much closer to fascism. [/quote]

Sigh…

“Collective ownership”? Well seeing as we have this whole “public company” thing here in America, you are free to buy shares and they in turn entitle you to votes for the board, you know the people who make management choices.

Where you got fascism from is beyond me.

But if you think that someone looking to push the US further left wouldn’t further crony ties you are mistaken. So, if a socialist were to look to change America, it wouldn’t be through bucking the current system, but rather bring the ruling class in tighter with those who “control” the vast majority of capital, and bring the two groups together as one.

BUt then again, you have this silly notion that the government is your friend or looking out for your best interests, so expalining this at all is a waste of time.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Sp lets’s see this supposed socialist hasn’t gone after the money changers. Who’da thought?[/quote]

A socialist wouldn’t break up cryonism as they slowly pushed the country left…

Pretty striaght forward if you think about it. [/quote]

No it’s actually the exact opposite if you think about it. Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production. So the banks would be owned and managed by the public. What you have described is much closer to fascism. [/quote]

Sigh…

“Collective ownership”? Well seeing as we have this whole “public company” thing here in America, you are free to buy shares and they in turn entitle you to votes for the board, you know the people who make management choices.

Where you got fascism from is beyond me.

But if you think that someone looking to push the US further left wouldn’t further crony ties you are mistaken. So, if a socialist were to look to change America, it wouldn’t be through bucking the current system, but rather bring the ruling class in tighter with those who “control” the vast majority of capital, and bring the two groups together as one.

BUt then again, you have this silly notion that the government is your friend or looking out for your best interests, so expalining this at all is a waste of time. [/quote]

Please show me where it is one of the tenets of socialism to protect the ultra-rich at the expense of the middle class and poor. And oh yes, please footnote all of your notions otherwise it can’t be true.

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http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2013/04/senator-elizabeth-warren-who-called-for-a-22hr-minum-wage-pays-interns-0-per-hour/

back on subject you’d think the person crusading for the littlean would pay her people something

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

He is a socialist[/quote]

Define socialist.[/quote]

When he opens his mouth, at any other time than an election, that’s when he is a hooker slumming for money.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Sp lets’s see this supposed socialist hasn’t gone after the money changers. Who’da thought?[/quote]

A socialist wouldn’t break up cryonism as they slowly pushed the country left…

Pretty striaght forward if you think about it. [/quote]

Indeed, the frogs are in the water, as it slowly boils. This whole thing was done in baby steps.[/quote]

You make as much sense as countingbeans, which isn’t much at all.[/quote]

I think cannot think of a better compliment to make, but I am in no way as well spoken or insightful as CB.

I am considering a vacation back to Italy this summer, you should come along. You can take a look around and see what a nationwide unemployment rate of 12% looks like. You love Socialism, how about you get a look up nice and close.

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Zeppelin,

Can you tell me one Leftist place in America that is doing well ?

How about one Leftist place that is not flirting with bankruptcy ?

Europe tried it, FAILED.

NY, NJ, CA, Chicago, Detroit, all FAILED.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

He is a socialist[/quote]

Define socialist.[/quote]

When he opens his mouth, at any other time than an election, that’s when he is a hooker slumming for money. [/quote]

Please give examples of his socialist activism.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Zeppelin,

Can you tell me one Leftist place in America that is doing well ?

How about one Leftist place that is not flirting with bankruptcy ?

Europe tried it, FAILED.

NY, NJ, CA, Chicago, Detroit, all FAILED.

[/quote]

You can look at the Bank of North Dakota which is run by the state and failed to bankrupt during the 2008 meltdown. By the way it actually did quite good during the meltdown. This is a specific example of how a structure run for the benefit of everyone instead of profit for the shareholders can be quite successful. Europe is currently trying the neo-liberal economic position of austerity and it is pushing them back in to recession. I watched a videos of 2 conservative business people and a conservative host claiming that Europe needs to give austerity a chance. Where are these fools now? Ecuador was brought out of recession in 3 months with public spending - a oft looked at leftist economic model.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

He is a socialist[/quote]

Define socialist.[/quote]

When he opens his mouth, at any other time than an election, that’s when he is a hooker slumming for money. [/quote]
Really? Is that why he has prosecuted so many of the banksters AFTER the election?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

Sp lets’s see this supposed socialist hasn’t gone after the money changers. Who’da thought?[/quote]

A socialist wouldn’t break up cryonism as they slowly pushed the country left…

Pretty striaght forward if you think about it. [/quote]

Indeed, the frogs are in the water, as it slowly boils. This whole thing was done in baby steps.[/quote]

You make as much sense as countingbeans, which isn’t much at all.[/quote]

I think cannot think of a better compliment to make, but I am in no way as well spoken or insightful as CB.

I am considering a vacation back to Italy this summer, you should come along. You can take a look around and see what a nationwide unemployment rate of 12% looks like. You love Socialism, how about you get a look up nice and close. [/quote]

Sounds great. I love Italian girls! Ciao baby!

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Zeppelin,

Can you tell me one Leftist place in America that is doing well ?

How about one Leftist place that is not flirting with bankruptcy ?

Europe tried it, FAILED.

NY, NJ, CA, Chicago, Detroit, all FAILED.

[/quote]

You can look at the Bank of North Dakota which is run by the state and failed to bankrupt during the 2008 meltdown. By the way it actually did quite good during the meltdown. This is a specific example of how a structure run for the benefit of everyone instead of profit for the shareholders can be quite successful. Europe is currently trying the neo-liberal economic position of austerity and it is pushing them back in to recession. I watched a videos of 2 conservative business people and a conservative host claiming that Europe needs to give austerity a chance. Where are these fools now? Ecuador was brought out of recession in 3 months with public spending - a oft looked at leftist economic model.
[/quote]

The Bank of North Dakota ? I think you mean the Credit Union of North Dakota. I am not opposed to using a Credit Union, just call it for what it is.

How did Europe get to where it is now ?

1/3 of a country’s citizens working for the government, collecting a pension, retiring at 50 ? These countries do not have massive military war machines the way we do.

Europe has massive government, huge taxation and regulation, Global Warming laws, high speed rail, government healthcare, and all went broke and sport massive unemployment.

Our governor touted Spain as the model to follow, Spain has an unemployment rate of 35%.