I’m not an “off topic regular”.
How many guys put him through what he wrote in his post?
Hint: It’s less than 2 and more than 0.
Actually, I was very cordial with you until you started your usual song and dance. You gotta stop lying.
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I didn’t lol but I chuckled
Aren’t you one of the OT regulars?
Also, people have been very open to your chicken sandwich and sous vide thoughts and whatever else you’ve posted that didn’t turn into an attack on fully half the people in our exceptionally large and diverse country.
I mean, c’mon. How can you not see that you sound exactly like the radical feminists do? Just completely victimized, and over what?
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I don’t mean to direct this only at you, but just as a general statement and I happen to be quoting you: I find it so bizarre when things that are completely and entirely subjective get labeled “less than”, “worse”, “better”, “good”, etc.
How is one person’s taste in food, drink, music, clothing, movies, etc etc better or worse than someone else’s? If you like rock, and I like rap, is one choice inherently “better” than another, or is it simply individual taste?
Or using booze as an example (my go-to choice for this kind of discussion because I bartended for years). People would always ask me what on tap was “good”, which was never something I could answer. I’d always respond with, “Well what flavours do you enjoy?” I’m a big Guinness/stout fan, which many of my customers were not. Does that mean their taste in beer is worse than mine?
Or, a more pertinent choice based on recent threads: choice of women. The way @chaoshander describes his significant other doesn’t seem like the kind of woman I would be interested in, but simply because our choice of women differs, I see no reason to label her an undesirable woman.
I could go on and on, but I’m already derailing the thread.
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I feel like this is what I keep trying to say. You want what you want? God bless, enjoy! But don’t make the mistake of thinking it aligns with what others want or should want.
Continuing this, I feel like this is how the recent shitstorms have gone:
One side states their observations based on experience.
The “opposing” side disagrees with those experiences, presenting their own.
Poo is flung.
How I feel they SHOULD have gone:
One side presents their opinion based on experience.
The other side recognizes that those experiences are legitimate (because refuting how someone experienced something is stupid), but presents their own experiences.
No poo is flung, hands are shaken, and we continue to strive to understand each other’s experiences.
Edit: I’ll use a metaphor to expand: dogs. Because I like dogs.
Now, not everyone likes dogs. Sometimes people have grown up with big scary dogs, or dogs that bit them, or dogs that had shitty owners that gave them a bad rap.
Some people (like me) have grown up with wonderful dogs, which have caused them to see dogs as superb, excellent companions.
Now, it’s entirely inappropriate for either side to state that the other is “wrong”, because you can’t disprove someone’s experience. It, however, is acceptable to look at the other side and say, “I think it’s great that you’ve had good experiences with dogs. Unfortunately, my experiences don’t align with that.” Or, “It sucks that your experiences with dogs have led you to dislike them, because I’ve known wonderful dogs in my life.”
Both sides are right.
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Sometimes though, when one expresses that they have experienced a broken world, it is warranted to point out to that person that they are wearing cracked glasses.
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Eloquently said, and agreed with.
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Feel free to derail away. That ship has sailed, and I expected/wanted it to.
Very rarely do I think someone is just flat out wrong. Their decisions, opinions, and choices, all stem from some semblance of experience. Obviously there are some things that are just objectively wrong, or misunderstood, however yelling and berating at that person certainly isnt going to change their mind. It wouldn’t change mine.
I just like conversation. I like knowing why people think the way they do, and why they act the way they do. I care less about the subject at hand most of the time.
Peoples emotions, instinct, and gut feelings are far more interesting than their final answer.
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This, as well, I agree with. Very much relate.
I don’t know that a more sophisticated taste is a “better one”, but I think speaking of levels of sophistication in taste of a particular thing is comprehensible and in some context it need not be silly
Brick may have meant it that way, fwiw
greenboy, probably not, fwiw
(I don’t hate ye greenboy, you should be able to chuckle at that)
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It’s clearly what someone or a group thinks is better or appropriate. For an example, Clearly the dietary laws and dress codes practiced in religions are considered better by practitioners than those who do otherwise. Certain art, music, and cinema are also forbidden. Clearly there’s a better-worse dichotomy. They think their ways are superior.
As for sophistication, it’s clear that Wagner was more sophisticated than a mumble rapper.
French cuisine is more sophisticated than pub food.
I can go on.
I have listened to various genres of music that I now consider garbage which I still get sucked into listening to out of nostalgia or because the sounds and messages are attractive: punk, New York hardcore, death metal, black metal, and thrash. I was crazy over rap at very young ages starting at 8 years old (1987/1988).
Agree 100%, I have always had issues with all the keyboard bravery that has been seen on here over the years. Come on really… when in real life is some 150lbs guy going to come out and talk shit to someone that is 100lbs heavier and double their strength face to face.
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I think it might be fairer to generalize that kids (let’s say under 25 years old) are going to have less sophisticated taste in music than that it’s women leading the bad-music parade. Music is one of the very few industries that targets youth almost exclusively, so their tastes may have more impact than in other arenas. Carmakers and architects do not target 19-year-olds, for example. The clothing industry wants to serve all age groups.
Pop is generally beloved by girls, while poorly articulated anger seems to please the boys. But this makes sense in light of their developmental processes. Girls are more likely to want to dance, boys to smash things. Which is of course just another generalization, so only as true for any given person as it is.
Older people dominate the classical/quality music scene. We occasionally go to a dinner and folk music thing. I struggle with it because it’s hard for me to sit still with occasional polite clapping for that length of time, but my husband likes it. I don’t think we’ve ever NOT been the youngest of the 6-8 couples there, and we’re not young!
Yeah, I don’t think it’s arguable that there are greater and lesser examples of any of the arts.
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I may know of someone that would be willing to present an argument against the sophistication of Wagner…
It’s funny to think of Wagner coming under critique as “pop music” at the time.
Well, why wouldn’t they be? These are not very controversial topics. That’s like saying “all my friends are so nice, they’re always there for me when I hand out a 100 dollars”
The test of a community is seeing the discourse that happens when there’s a differing of opinions, when not so casual topics are discussed.
If you’re the only sane person in a group of 100 people, how do you determine who’s crazy?
*More of a food for thought than a direct assault towards you.
only it’s not 100 people. it’s like the same 10 people every time. the same 10 regulars that have been high fiving each other for years in here.
you want me to consider those people in here which most haven’t really given any real insight outside of “well look at me” vs the many many many many people I see and talk to in every day life? come on dude. give me a break .