This is true. But I also gave you a pretty on the nose assumption on median salaries based on my own experience. I said 60, and then some can go 70 or higher. That’s pretty damn accurate for a general assumption considering what I just looked at across a multitude of states. I just looked at an entirely different site that has only 3 states below 60k.
Depending on where you look these numbers will vary, but I don’t think what I said was far fetched, or horribly inaccurate. It came off inaccurate because you came back with 44k.
As for your average undergrad… We could get all semanticy right? and you can ask me to define a “normal” degree. For arguments sake it can be any degree that isn’t part of the major STEM fields that require a pretty decent level of intelligence and commitment, and all of those are at or below an RNs salary with not as much vacancy in the last few years, therefore much harder to get. But again that’s going down the path of semantics and nitpicking. Something I try to avoid doing and something you guys constantly use to attack me instead of the actual points I make.
@SkyzykS
Forget Florida, Cali is paying RNs 6 figures. lol
Anyways you’re right. I know actual nurses, some even in Florida, they were and still are in high demand. The amount they can actually make isn’t reflected in those median numbers that people pull off of google. The demand for them, the amount they actually walk away with, it was all part of my assumption and why I said what I said. Instead of them asking me to get specific on how I get there, they immediately just link some nonsense and attack me, even though my point is pretty spot on. It’s the age of the internet I guess.
“Given that accounting is one of this cities main exports (3 huge accounting schools) and knowing quite a few who were made some great offers to go mainly to New York for some reason, I have a hard time disagreeing with this.”
Yeah. There is going to be some variation. A buddy of mine did surgical rn, worked on a transplant team, ran a couple dialysis clinics, got his MBA, made a few more moves and is now DEEP into 6 figures.
Not bad for “nurse”. And if you ask Jesse James, he’s just a welder.
We will have to agree to disagree on how inaccurate your numbers are. Imo, being $8k over the US average to $28k over the average isn’t damn accurate, lol.
Here is a perfect example of why you and I seem to have issues… You just made a statement: Earnings for undergraduate degrees in non-stem fields are at or less than RNs and they’re harder to get.
Here’s your favorite part:
Excluding Stem; construction, supply chain, finance, and accounting all make more according to Forbes (this is 2015 data) than nursing.
If you look at payscale nursing is not ranked very high…
So on and so forth. Now, if we are still looking specifically at early pay, which PayScale defines as 0-5 years experience “nursing science” is very high on the list. It is the highest non-stem field. It appears earnings for nurses are front-loaded, unlike most other degrees.
As far as other fields being harder, if we look at the BLS handbook we can see a number of majors have a projection of 50k or more new jobs that are outside of the stem fields.
We will have to agree to disagree on how inaccurate your numbers are. Imo, being $8k over the US average to $28k over the average isn’t damn accurate, lol.
Where am I 28k over? 8k over? the median salary of an RN is about 60k and that’s excluding any other compensation.
You totally lost me what are you challenging? Now you want to talk about projected earnings from 0 to 5 years? When was this ever discussed in my original post?
You linked a 5 year old salary chart. The average starting salary for the entirety of a STEM degree is in the 66k range according to 2019 numbers. You’re all over the place now and you’ve lost me.
The top-paid graduates this year are once again expected to earn engineering ($69,188), computer science ($67,539), and math and sciences degrees ($62,177)
Average =/= top paid. At all … usually, top paid means max or highest. Average is Sum of all/n … median is the starting salary right smack dab in the middle (or average of the 2 in the middle)…
So, average =/= top paid.
You said:
you quoted:
so, what ARE you arguing here? Average or top paid? Top paid is not average and they tend to be outliers…
I thought we were past this. Glass door has entry-level RN pay at an average of $52k. That’s $8k less than $60k and $28k less than $80.
There are several growing fields that require “normal” degrees as you define them (non-stem) that pay better than nursing.
No. I was providing pay scales definition of early career earnings to try and avoid confusion (unsuccessfully apparently).
The point of the payscale link is to show non-stem fields where earnings potential is higher than nursing.
The point of the bls link is to show projected job growth for non-stem fields.
The point is there are quite a few “normal” degrees that earn more than nursing and have just as good job openings/growth potential. Bonus, it shows a lot of degrees have much greater earning potential than nursing.
It was the only comparison I could easily find and the data isn’t that old. The only point was to show there are “normal” degrees that earn more than nursing right out of the gate.
We were never talking about earnings potential though. Yes I know that there are fields like finance and accounting that start ok and then has a really big ceiling but that isn’t saying anything, we were never talking about earnings potential.
And I saw on glass door 60, and I’m seeing 70 elsewhere. Again, we can go on a linking war posting sources, bottom line is you were wrong with your 44k and now you’re dancing around trying to pin something else on me. Don’t you have an accounting degree? You know there’s going to be variances in these numbers depending on where you look so why bother with this stupid game? Again, we’re bogging down in semantics and bullshit which was the entire point of this thread and again the entire point why I brought this scenario back up
I think you read the quote wrong, they aren’t talking about the top paid of that specific field, as in the top students, they were saying the top paid majors.
I didn’t read the quote wrong the words are not ambiguous … I quoted everything you said and asked which you were talking about: average or top paid which you failed to address. Do you want to talk about stem or not stem since you seem to think there’s a misunderstanding (if there is it’s on your part based on what I read and quoted) … or maybe, since you’re so interested in honest discussion, you can point out my mistake clearly … I’ll be waiting with bated breath
You did use a quote from some source that talked about top salaries while taking about average… I’m assuming you’re main point is about the average… That’s all I was on about…
And I told you I think you read it wrong. I have to go back and find the source but they weren’t talking about top salaries for the best students, they were referencing top graduating salaries out of all the majors. It’s not so much your fault but the way that snippet comes off…
here
graduates with engineering ($69,188 ), computer science ($67,539 ), and math and sciences degrees ($62,177 ) are once again projected to be the top - paid graduates .
I actually think it’s a bad example of arguing over semantics. Initial earnings is a pretty important detail related to the original discussion and point.
However, it’s a good example of a problem this and other forums have always had and that’s ignoring 95% of what someone writes in favor of harping on a small detail. IIRC, even greenboy wrote something similar above, which he is also guilty of.
And just for the record because I’m petty and obviously need to revisit Ego is the Enemy:
okay, I’m done.
