Oh and before I got his PM I went ahead and bought some supps mainly just because I’ve been crashing progressively harder/had less energy so I’m hoping they may help with the increasing work load this semester.
-Ginkgo
-Niacinmide
-Adrenal Glandulars
-Ashwagandha
-Ginger Root
-Methylcobalamin (B12)
-Siberian Ginseng
-P5P
-B5
-Licorice
hang in there dude, shit gets better once your adrenals start healing. trust me. youll feel results in about 7-10 days. i dont see rhodiola on your list, its a really good adaptogen for AF. use the adrenal glandulars, licorice, siberian ginseng, and ashwagandha 4x a day. i do breakfast, lunch, around 3-4pm right before the usual crash, and last dose before bed.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
hang in there dude, shit gets better once your adrenals start healing. trust me. youll feel results in about 7-10 days. i dont see rhodiola on your list, its a really good adaptogen for AF. use the adrenal glandulars, licorice, siberian ginseng, and ashwagandha 4x a day. i do breakfast, lunch, around 3-4pm right before the usual crash, and last dose before bed. [/quote]
Fuck! Rhodiola was what I forgot. Oh, well.
On a side note I have been taking this “stack” for a couple days and I have noticed I can wake up more easily and most of the time I no longer feel like I need to go back to bed within 30 mins of getting out of bed. Placebo or not, I do think I’m feeling a little better.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
hang in there dude, shit gets better once your adrenals start healing. trust me. youll feel results in about 7-10 days. i dont see rhodiola on your list, its a really good adaptogen for AF. use the adrenal glandulars, licorice, siberian ginseng, and ashwagandha 4x a day. i do breakfast, lunch, around 3-4pm right before the usual crash, and last dose before bed. [/quote]
Fuck! Rhodiola was what I forgot. Oh, well.
On a side note I have been taking this “stack” for a couple days and I have noticed I can wake up more easily and most of the time I no longer feel like I need to go back to bed within 30 mins of getting out of bed. Placebo or not, I do think I’m feeling a little better.[/quote]
awesome man that means its working. i get up right away too now and actually feel like i went to bed. only shitty thing is i think my Test is picking back up cause im getting some acne i havent had in over a year 
let me know if you notice anything regarding test getting higher in the next few days. you should notice strength gains too. amazing what adrenal fatigue can ruin in a body.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
awesome man that means its working. i get up right away too now and actually feel like i went to bed. only shitty thing is i think my Test is picking back up cause im getting some acne i havent had in over a year
let me know if you notice anything regarding test getting higher in the next few days. you should notice strength gains too. amazing what adrenal fatigue can ruin in a body.[/quote]
Glad it’s working for you.
Yeah, the strength drops are really depressing to be honest. Incline Bench has dropped from 215x12 (PR) to about 185x10 last session although I wasn’t feeling too great to begin with.
Anyway, here is an excerpt from one of the emails MODOK sent me.
“Why don’t you try this…clear your mind and give yourself 3 months. For the next 3 months, eat at least x 15 bw in calories. Eat at least 4 meals a day, but in particular do not fast for any longer than it takes to sleep. Eat a minimum 40% of your calories from fat, including 1-2 TBSP of coconut oil, 5 g combined EPA/DHA and 750 mg GLA a day. Make sure you are eating at least 4 servings of animal products a day such as meat and whole eggs. Set your focus to these goals and disregard body composition or anything else as a goal for these 12 weeks (you won’t get fat, I promise). Abbreviate your training to no more than 6 hours of total weight training and cardio a week. Do not train fasted. Eat one hour before training. Make a real effort to bump up your sleep time by 1 hour and eat something immediately before retiring. Then re-draw your labs in 3 months and see what they look like.”
I have been doing the T3 protocol outlined earlier. It is amazing how well it works, cant remember the last time i had this much energy. I was previously doing the adaptagen thing. hope this helps
[quote]jimbob02 wrote:
I have been doing the T3 protocol outlined earlier. It is amazing how well it works, cant remember the last time i had this much energy. I was previously doing the adaptagen thing. hope this helps[/quote]
Exactly which T3 protocol?
I’m hoping the adaptagen/supplement/normal eating pattern route will just help me not need any meds in the future, just to be clear…
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Anyway, here is an excerpt from one of the emails MODOK sent me.
“Why don’t you try this…clear your mind and give yourself 3 months. For the next 3 months, eat at least x 15 bw in calories. Eat at least 4 meals a day, but in particular do not fast for any longer than it takes to sleep. Eat a minimum 40% of your calories from fat, including 1-2 TBSP of coconut oil, 5 g combined EPA/DHA and 750 mg GLA a day. Make sure you are eating at least 4 servings of animal products a day such as meat and whole eggs. Set your focus to these goals and disregard body composition or anything else as a goal for these 12 weeks (you won’t get fat, I promise). Abbreviate your training to no more than 6 hours of total weight training and cardio a week. Do not train fasted. Eat one hour before training. Make a real effort to bump up your sleep time by 1 hour and eat something immediately before retiring. Then re-draw your labs in 3 months and see what they look like.”[/quote]
did he say anything about going off the thyroid meds, pregnenolone, adaptogens and glandulars, etc? does he think the IF couldve caused your situation?
it makes sense, but it kinda sucks he said to disregard body composition for the 3 months leading up to summer lol. best of luck.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
did he say anything about going off the thyroid meds, pregnenolone, adaptogens and glandulars, etc? does he think the IF couldve caused your situation?
it makes sense, but it kinda sucks he said to disregard body composition for the 3 months leading up to summer lol. best of luck.[/quote]
He mentioned I could drop it by 1/4 each week under supervision of my doctor. I, on my own, just said fuck it and dropped it all together and have had no differences in how I feel. So yeah, I just flat out still not responding to the meds. Never have whether T4/T3 or just T3.
No mention of preg or other adaptagens.
He strongly thinks the IF may not have necessarily initiated the adrenal fatigue but probably prolonged it (since I was experiencing symptoms prior to IFing). I mis-worded one time sequence that made it look that way. Long story short, my dieting on my own, immediately followed by dieting for an additional 12 weeks w/ Shelby Starnes then immediately beginning IFing for about 1.5 years after was just too much for my adrenals.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
did he say anything about going off the thyroid meds, pregnenolone, adaptogens and glandulars, etc? does he think the IF couldve caused your situation?
it makes sense, but it kinda sucks he said to disregard body composition for the 3 months leading up to summer lol. best of luck.[/quote]
He mentioned I could drop it by 1/4 each week under supervision of my doctor. I, on my own, just said fuck it and dropped it all together and have had no differences in how I feel. So yeah, I just flat out still not responding to the meds. Never have whether T4/T3 or just T3.
No mention of preg or other adaptagens.
He strongly thinks the IF may not have necessarily initiated the adrenal fatigue but probably prolonged it (since I was experiencing symptoms prior to IFing). I mis-worded one time sequence that made it look that way. Long story short, my dieting on my own, immediately followed by dieting for an additional 12 weeks w/ Shelby Starnes then immediately beginning IFing for about 1.5 years after was just too much for my adrenals.
[/quote]
holy shit. you went from dieting, to DIETING with shelby, then IFing for 1.5 years. yeeeeesh. hopefully MODOK’s advice puts you on the right track and you heal up those adrenals with the adaptogens. anyway, theres a great forum that specializes in hormones and has a bunch of stickies on them. PM me if you want the site.
Yah, I know. It wasn’t until it was all but too late until a wise man told me “Neva go full retard!”
PM sent… Hoping it was allowed.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Yah, I know. It wasn’t until it was all but too late until a wise man told me “Neva go full retard!”
PM sent… Hoping it was allowed.[/quote]
nope, no PM. google “all things male muscle chatroom”
the T3 protocol for andrenals on sttm website.
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/t3-circadian-protocol-for-adrenals/
wake up at 430 each morning and take some T3 25mg (mine is liquid) then take another dose of 12.5 mg before i leave for work.
Days i work my temps stay at 36.6 c then raise to 37.1 at 6ish the starts to decrease.
Days off my temp starts at 36.6 the raise to around 36.9- 37 by 11 am then peaks at 37.2 mid afternoon to early evening.
Heaps more energy, willingness to do things and I actually feel hungy which is awesome.
when i first started my journey my daily avg temps were in the low to mid 35’s, so a huge difference for me.
So for my working days my temps are now consistent to within .1 degree same with my non working days. Just need to close the gap between the two which is about 0.3 degrees
[quote]jimbob02 wrote:
the T3 protocol for andrenals on sttm website.
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/t3-circadian-protocol-for-adrenals/[/quote]
Oh yeah, that one lol. I would but I don’t respond to T3. 100mcg at once and nothing.
Glad it’s working for you though!
hah, now i know why you were getting that ammonia smell during workouts like i do sometimes.
Cortisol
Cortisone and hydrocortisone are the major “glucocorticoids.” They help regulate the level of glucose in the body through a process known as "gluconeogenesis.
if youre low in cortisol your body cant probably create the glucose it needs during workouts and instead just burns amino acids = ammonia smell. makes sense.
Just updating for the sake of it…
Diurnal Cortisol Test 05/08/2012
Morning
3.3 ng/dl 7.0-10
Afternoon
4.1 ng/dl 3.0-6.0
Evening
2.0 ng/dl 2.0-4.0
Night/Pre Bed
1.7 ng/dl <1.5
DHEA (saliva) 349.5 pg/ml 41-578
Morning Neurotransmitter Test (Urine)
Test, Result, Inter Quartile Range, Reference Range
Serotonin, 101.5, 99-203, 57-306
GABA, 7.1, 3.9-7.9, 2.4-12.7
Glycine, 344.4, 441-1258, 182-2225
Glutamate, 31, 13.5-36.8, 6.9-71.8
Histamine, 51.5, 10-32, 4-71
PEA, 84.3, 29-83, 15-167
Dopamine, 116.8, 106-191, 64-261
Norepinephrine, 27.2, 28-51, 19-76
Epinephrine, 20.1, 7.1-13.6, 4.7-20.8
Highs: Histamine, PEA and Epinephrine.
Lows: Glycine, Norepinephrine and arguably Serotonin (2 units above bottom range).
*PEA may be high due to drinking cocoa powder in the days leading up to the collection.
I am now seriously considering going on Hydrocortisone…
Have you had an ACTH stim test to see if you are primary or secondary? with reasonable DHEA levels, it seems like it would be worth looking into.
My son had this done and his adrenals responded nicely. The dipshit endo said everything was fine and sent us on our way after this test, but at least we knew we needed to investigate other causes of his fatigue. We took him off gluten (even though he tested negative for Celiac) and he made a pretty remarkable recovery in a couple of weeks.
Not saying this is your issue, just that the stim test will tell you if your adrenals are shot, or if you need to look somewhere else. If the ACTH test works, there’s another test to isolate the pituitary. CHR stim test I believe.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
Have you had an ACTH stim test to see if you are primary or secondary? with reasonable DHEA levels, it seems like it would be worth looking into.
My son had this done and his adrenals responded nicely. The dipshit endo said everything was fine and sent us on our way after this test, but at least we knew we needed to investigate other causes of his fatigue. We took him off gluten (even though he tested negative for Celiac) and he made a pretty remarkable recovery in a couple of weeks.
Not saying this is your issue, just that the stim test will tell you if your adrenals are shot, or if you need to look somewhere else. If the ACTH test works, there’s another test to isolate the pituitary. CHR stim test I believe.[/quote]
Ah, missed this. Well, tomorrow I’m going in to get preg, prog and ACTH tested and I’m hoping my docs will stop bullshitting and just give me a script for the ACTH stim test. Should have had it done months ago but now they want to chase digestive enzymes and the like… Glad your son is doing better! Gluten isn’t an issue for me as I’ve been following the AD for over a year now.
Stopped taking Preg for a few weeks b/c no improvements and wanted to see baseline.
Preg 73 13-208
Prog .5 <1.4
Oddly enough I feel much better when not taking preg than when I did.