Just updating and if any one in interested I believe my new Dr will be putting me on T3 and Hydrocortisone in the next week or so…
June 2012
TSH… 2.2 (0.4-4.5)
T4 Total… 6.5 (4.5-12)
T4 Free… 1.3 (0.8-1.8)
T3 Free… 2.1 (2.3-4.2)
Reverse T3… 41 (11-32)
LH… 3.6 (1.5-9.3)
Did you try transdermal preg? It looks like you’d definitely want to get levels up a bit. Probably double your last test.
My cortisol readings were very low and the following has made pretty substantial improvements:
Cut workout intensity
Occasionally have a little coffee instead of a lot of coffee every day
The AOR adrenal support supplement mentioned in this thread.
More Rhodiola from Biotest
DHEA - 25mg x 2 times per day
Preg cream - 30mg in the morning and 15mg in the afternoon.
I added some transdermal 7 keto as well. I’m not cured by any means but something from the above list has me feeling much better than I have in quite awhile. Haven’t retested.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Just updating and if any one in interested I believe my new Dr will be putting me on T3 and Hydrocortisone in the next week or so…
June 2012
TSH… 2.2 (0.4-4.5)
T4 Total… 6.5 (4.5-12)
T4 Free… 1.3 (0.8-1.8)
T3 Free… 2.1 (2.3-4.2)
Reverse T3… 41 (11-32)
LH… 3.6 (1.5-9.3)[/quote]
whoa, your RT3 is pretty high. are you on T3 still?
[quote]dhickey wrote:
Did you try transdermal preg? It looks like you’d definitely want to get levels up a bit. Probably double your last test.
My cortisol readings were very low and the following has made pretty substantial improvements:
Cut workout intensity
Occasionally have a little coffee instead of a lot of coffee every day
The AOR adrenal support supplement mentioned in this thread.
More Rhodiola from Biotest
DHEA - 25mg x 2 times per day
Preg cream - 30mg in the morning and 15mg in the afternoon.
I added some transdermal 7 keto as well. I’m not cured by any means but something from the above list has me feeling much better than I have in quite awhile. Haven’t retested.[/quote]
Haven’t taken Preg in close to 2 months. For what ever reason I just wasn’t absorbing any brand I tried I dont think. I’ve just been resting which has helped a bit. Haven’t lifted in over a month and have stopped fasting at all for 3-4. Symptoms have improved a bit but blood work hasnt.
TD preg I just cant afford at this point, hoping I get some HC soon. Supposed to hear back from my Doc tomorrow.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Just updating and if any one in interested I believe my new Dr will be putting me on T3 and Hydrocortisone in the next week or so…
June 2012
TSH… 2.2 (0.4-4.5)
T4 Total… 6.5 (4.5-12)
T4 Free… 1.3 (0.8-1.8)
T3 Free… 2.1 (2.3-4.2)
Reverse T3… 41 (11-32)
LH… 3.6 (1.5-9.3)[/quote]
whoa, your RT3 is pretty high. are you on T3 still?[/quote]
No, havent taken any t4 and/or t3 since March.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]dhickey wrote:
Did you try transdermal preg? It looks like you’d definitely want to get levels up a bit. Probably double your last test.
My cortisol readings were very low and the following has made pretty substantial improvements:
Cut workout intensity
Occasionally have a little coffee instead of a lot of coffee every day
The AOR adrenal support supplement mentioned in this thread.
More Rhodiola from Biotest
DHEA - 25mg x 2 times per day
Preg cream - 30mg in the morning and 15mg in the afternoon.
I added some transdermal 7 keto as well. I’m not cured by any means but something from the above list has me feeling much better than I have in quite awhile. Haven’t retested.[/quote]
Haven’t taken Preg in close to 2 months. For what ever reason I just wasn’t absorbing any brand I tried I dont think. I’ve just been resting which has helped a bit. Haven’t lifted in over a month and have stopped fasting at all for 3-4. Symptoms have improved a bit but blood work hasnt.
TD preg I just cant afford at this point, hoping I get some HC soon. Supposed to hear back from my Doc tomorrow.
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It sounds like most people respond much better to transdermal preg. It can be a little expensive to buy 2oz at a time. I am going to make my own if I decide to keep using it. bulk powder is pretty cheap and there are some good transdermal bases out there. I’ll probably end up getting bulk preg from BAC and using Penetrate as a base. Benefit of going this way is you can add other things to your homebrew.
^Did you start taking preg because of low cortisol and do you plan on taking it for the rest of your life?
have you ever tested your copper levels?
Many multiple vitamins contain relatively high doses of copper. Zinc and manganese deficiencies will also cause copper retention. The hormone estrogen promotes the retention of copper and this is why women are particularly vulnerable to the problem of copper toxicity.
Physically, the copper build up interferes with proper conversion of thyroid hormone at the cellular level. It also disturbs zinc balance, interfering with adrenal hormone production and this weakens the immune system. The impairment of both thyroid and adrenal gland function causes the most common copper toxicity symptom: fatigue.
It inhibits cortisol (glucocorticoid) production which causes hypoglycemia and increased inflammation, and increases aldosterone (mineral corticoid) production which enhances brain activity and can give a feeling that the mind is racing.
Doubt that is me… My mind is slower now if anything. Also cant remember the last time I felt hypoglycemic.
found this interesting, i know we were both into no2 stims for a while which may have cause the AF.
"Depends on where the mutation is occuring…If you have underactive BHMT yes, but if it is over active NO…Not to brag or anything I am probably one of more knowledgeable people in this area when it comes to this stuff. i ahve studied genomes and DNA mutations for 4-5 years. There are only a few select people that can really under stand them. When you get into CBS, MS, BHMT, VDR, MThFRR mutations the stuff gets really complicated and supplementing if you do not know what you are doing can be very dangerous.
My personal opionin is that alot of these mutations are from people taking Nitric oxide products that are flooding and jamming up methylation pathways. I have seen it time and time again…God for bid if a person with an autoimmune disease takes nitric oxide it can cause the problems to get 10 times worse then what is really is. One needs to know yes it helps build muscle but at what other biological expense or mutations which it can occur. I have seen numerous people become biological nightmare from No2 products because we are being exposed to it everyday from the enviromnemt from the pollution then we increase it internally even more !!!
Come on people get wake up and smell the coffe. If you are going to use nitric oxide I would recommend 3,000 mgs lysine on days you do not train to keep it balanced. It has been already proven that nitric oxide causes adrenals to stop producing cortisol… people with adrenal fatigue should have a higher lysine to arginine ratio in order to keep nitric oxide levels at proper levels.
BTW just about every person that has used nitric oxide so far which has come in for testing has either been b-12 defieint or folate defieint at the cellular level…If that does not scare you I do not know what will."
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
BTW just about every person that has used nitric oxide so far which has come in for testing has either been b-12 defieint or folate defieint at the cellular level…If that does not scare you I do not know what will."[/quote]
Need to be a little skeptical of articles that describe a deficiency as “at the cellular level” - its throwing around some scary-sounding pseudoscience without any actual meaning. There’s no such thing as cellular vs. non-cellular deficiency, and even if there was the testing doesn’t syringe samples out of individual cells. It’s just a general test.
Interesting… but what could make the body shutdown cortisol production more than cortisol itself? I can’t really intelligently comment on that but common sense makes me question it.
EDIT: B/C the adrenals do comeback and im assuming the shutdown from the NO was only temporary.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Interesting… but what could make the body shutdown cortisol production more than cortisol itself? I can’t really intelligently comment on that but common sense makes me question it.
EDIT: B/C the adrenals do comeback and im assuming the shutdown from the NO was only temporary.[/quote]
lol its on my list of things to research into when i have some free time. ill let you know the conclusion.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
^Did you start taking preg because of low cortisol and do you plan on taking it for the rest of your life?[/quote]
I’m still trying to figure out what’s wrong with me, so no lifelong plans yet. I’m a bit of a metabolic mess at the moment so preg seemed to make sense. I’m feeling a bit better now, but I added/changed a few things at the same time. I go back for more testing tomorrow. I ran out of preg three days ago, so won’t be able to associate it with any improvement, or lack therof, in bloodwork.
[quote]chalkk wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
BTW just about every person that has used nitric oxide so far which has come in for testing has either been b-12 defieint or folate defieint at the cellular level…If that does not scare you I do not know what will."[/quote]
Need to be a little skeptical of articles that describe a deficiency as “at the cellular level” - its throwing around some scary-sounding pseudoscience without any actual meaning. There’s no such thing as cellular vs. non-cellular deficiency, and even if there was the testing doesn’t syringe samples out of individual cells. It’s just a general test.[/quote]
That passage sounds like something hardasnails1973 would write.
If it’s the same guy, any and all information should be taken with a shaker of salt.
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]chalkk wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
BTW just about every person that has used nitric oxide so far which has come in for testing has either been b-12 defieint or folate defieint at the cellular level…If that does not scare you I do not know what will."[/quote]
Need to be a little skeptical of articles that describe a deficiency as “at the cellular level” - its throwing around some scary-sounding pseudoscience without any actual meaning. There’s no such thing as cellular vs. non-cellular deficiency, and even if there was the testing doesn’t syringe samples out of individual cells. It’s just a general test.[/quote]
That passage sounds like something hardasnails1973 would write.
If it’s the same guy, any and all information should be taken with a shaker of salt.[/quote]
it was a guy named Matrix, but ive read alot of hardasnails stuff on musclechatroom too and he has the same views on this kind of stuff.
MAF14
Are you still here? A lot has happened in the T-replacement forum in the last few years. There is now a large focus on thyroid issues, body temperature and iodine.
I got low low body temperatures again and iodine was not effective. Nature Thyroid, similar to Armour, did not work. Assumed rT3 was the problem.
Slowly introduced T3 and as I did, I needed more as TSH and T4 were getting depressed. So less T4 for T4–>rT3. My body temperatures are now where they should be. Up to 150mcg per day, now reducing as rT3 is assumed to be clearing.
There is topic: Thyroid Basics Explained. You can find a link to that and more in the 2nd post in the one sticky that is here in this forum.
Well its been a while… Thanks for the heads up.
I went off all thyroid medication probably around august… Armour, generic T3 and prescription Cytomel made no difference regardless of doses.
I just got insurance again after moving to a new job this year. Waiting for my cards to come in then I’ll be getting some blood work done to get a baseline to see where I am.
I’ll check out the new threads in the mean time.
Are you going to read: “Thyroid Basics Explained”
Please check your oral body temperatures.
I’ll probably skim it later but I’m going to assume I’m familiar with the vast majority of the information there.
I stopped posting here because most of the posters I followed stopped posting here, I still continued reading other material.
I’ve also gotten a 23andme DNA test done… Dabbled with methylation and the associated “Nutrahacker” recommended supplementation but didn’t help much at all nor experience any side effects so many complained of even at very (again) high doses.