[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
jj-dude wrote:
Dude…
I’ve taught MA for 25 years and self-defense too. Sorry pal, but NONE of this counts as self defense.
I never really had to resort to violence in my life.
Read that sentence. Sometimes violence is the best strategy (e.g., he is pounding on your face). Driving down the street in a machine that has more horses under the hood than Genghis Khan does not count.
He proceeded to drive his car next to mine and the two guys in the front started yelling hysterically and gesturing at me. I gave him the finger,
so (toes carpet), this counts as a de-escalation technique in your book?
thought it was all over and focused back on the road. But that crazy fucker didn’t have enough. He suddently steered right, straight onto my car. Not only did I have to brake to avoid getting smashed, but I almost went offroads.
So far, he is a fucktard and you pissed him off. Good move.
my girlfriend yelled to me to just keep going and ignore them but at that point I was just reckless and I pulled off.
Surprise bitch, there’s 3 guys in the truck. Now I’m a 5’9, 180 pounds teen.
She’s a keeper and has more sense than you do. Listen to her next time, ok?
Let me serve this up straight. You have no “right” to self-defense. No one does, and anyone – I don’t care how long they’ve trained – should be telling you any different. Legally, self-defense is a PETITION FOR EXEMPTION for prosecution.
It must be affirmative (so you have to confess to doing it before you can invoke it). Then for your petition to be accepted, you must show
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You either attempted to retreat or could show retreat was impossible – on this point alone, they could charge you with assault
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The threat must be immediate. No it wasn’t, until you pulled over.
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The threat must not be avoidable by any other condition. (So in a robbery if the baddie says “give me your money” and you trash him, you are the aggressor.)
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The reasonable person standard must apply, i.e., any other person in your situation would have felt threatened. Again, it would be easy for a prosecuting attorney to argue that while their client might have nearly hit you with their car, you were, in fact not in danger. Flipping them off might then be taken as incitement.
Finally, fight != self-defense. A fight is consensual combat or a duel, which is what you all did. A self-defense situation is where one party obviously refuses to engage and the other attacks.
OK, now, for a bunch of crap from me. Your training nearly got you killed, since it seems that your instructor has not bothered to tell you what self-defense is – and there is a very exacting legal standard to invoke it.
You are on the ground with TWO guys freely moving around you? Your tactical advice suxx. What saved you was the fact, as I indicated before, that they are as big of ftards as you are.
Dude, what would you have done if you lost? You had a girlfriend there, right? That means you should have been playing bodyguard, not trying to see whose dick is bigger. Think about it. Losing might mean you wake up in the hospital being a quadriplegic, she’s been raped multiple times and then beaten to death. Real smooth there junior…
– jj
Sorry but who the fuck are you man? Do I give a damn about how long you’ve been teaching MA? What does that have to do with anything? Calling me names and calling me a kid, you’re the one giving me shit for no reason and beeing unrespectful. I never even spoke to you. Straighten up.
No wonder you need to carry a gun with such a cocky attitude. Calling me a fucktard on a forum where I was merely asking for opinions and seeking a mature discussion about a serious issue, real smooth there master Yoda.
Whatever with all your legal stuff, the way I see it, I was assaulted and threatened and I defended myself. I’m a kid, I fucked up, so do you on a daily basis. If you don’t have anything constructive to say I don’t need your lecture.
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You do realize that you got irritated he called you a kid, then claimed a bad decision based on being a kid, right?
And he did say something quite constructive - and that legal stuff you don’t need a lecture on? That is what self defense is about - the legal stuff.
Personally, I think you pulled a stupid move. You let yourself get mad, which is the first step in a bad direction. You showed poor decisions in a high-stress situation.
Every situation has to be examined on the highest potential sacrifice - in this case, the highest possible consequence (assuming you don’t care what happened to you) is that, while unconscious, your girl friend could have been gang raped and/or killed.
If you regained consciousness and found her half-naked, crying and asking why you couldn’t just keep driving, would that have been an acceptable end consequence to ‘just not being able to take it any more’?
Yes, you ended up fine, and so did she. But it could have just as easily have gone in a different direction. You always have to look at the worst possible end result and decide if that, even if not probable to happen, is an acceptable consequence of your actions, because it is possible.
Finally, notice in the quoted area above, you were called a name and went off in your reply. Perhaps you have a temper problem you need to start learning to control. You let people get to you too much, and you go off in too far of an extreme, all while allowing it to cloud your good judgment.