Seal Team Six...Again!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
“Everyone” else is mediocre?

Now whose making silly statements?

Mufasa[/quote]

The military is not something someone does because he has other options. Just go to a recruiting office and see for yourself; then drive to the other side of town where the rich people live and look for a recruiting office.

Besides this putting these people on a pedestal is just plain unhealthy.[/quote]

People from poor backgrounds are underrepresented in the military. Rich people are overrepresented. The average soldier has above average intelligence and above average education.
You are spouting absolute garbage. Most soldiers are there because they chose to be what they are, not because they didn’t have other options.[/quote]

Bahahahahaha!

That’s pure Army propaganda. Did your research reveal any information about the US Army lowering their aptitude standards to accommodate the typical public high school graduate?[/quote]

No, I’m not talking about information released by the government. I’m talking about studies done by multiple private organizations.

Second, the contention had nothing to do with them lowing their standards. You made the idiotic, ignorant, unsupported, asinine, pea-brained claim that the army was constituted of the lower part of the US population. Which is an absolute, unequivocal lie, weather by your own stupidity, willful ignorance, or perhaps you just bought into the most liberal pundits on TV.

The military is made up of above average people measured in both success and intelligence. If you want to claim that the country is getting dumber, I won’t argue, but it has nothing to do with the topic.

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[quote]theBird wrote:
Im starting to think “ST6” is some kind of story made up by the US government for some type of propaganda reasons. Maybe they do/did exist… but I think the government has decided to have a bit of fun with the idea of “super team america”. It all does sound a little bit “american”

Why do the ST6 exist… to try and lift the morals of the people in america living in an economical disaster … or maybe to justify the US military missions? Maybe they want to make money from a upcoming movie?

tweet[/quote]

And we never landed on the moon. The government is in touch with intelligent alien life and Elvis is still alive.

(eye roll …where do they come from? And how do they function on a daily basis without harming themselves or others?)

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey guys correct me if I’m wrong but I was under the impression that Delta Force are the ones who are specifically trained for hostage rescue. With that said, great job by ST6. This is one more reason why our enemies should be afraid…very afraid![/quote]

ST6’s primary role is counter-terrorism including hostage rescue. From what I understand they were set up after Delta’s failed rescue attempt in Iran, 1980 - Operation Eagle Claw.[/quote]

One failed attempt in 1980 and they don’t use them anymore? That doesn’t sound right.

[/quote]

That’s not what I meant. Delta are counter-terrorist and hostage rescue experts also. The important thing is the hostages are safe and no one got hurt except for the terrorists who are all dead. Hopefully this will inspire fear and demoralise their colleagues.[/quote]

Yes, it’s all good as I said. But my question was why didn’t they use Delta Force as they are specifically trained for hostage rescue…that’s all they do. But as I suggested earlier it could be a regional thing.

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[quote]theBird wrote:
Im starting to think “ST6” is some kind of story made up by the US government for some type of propaganda reasons. Maybe they do/did exist… but I think the government has decided to have a bit of fun with the idea of “super team america”. It all does sound a little bit “american”

Why do the ST6 exist… to try and lift the morals of the people in america living in an economical disaster … or maybe to justify the US military missions? Maybe they want to make money from a upcoming movie?

tweet[/quote]

Seal team & is like the immortals, if one dies another one immediately takes his place.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
9 people died for 2 people. [/quote]

didn’t the pirates understand the risk when they took these people hostage?

They played,

they paid.[/quote]

No doubt. Just seems like all criminals should be afforded a trial by jury.

This is just one more feather in Obama’s cap and nothing more.

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[quote]theBird wrote:
Im starting to think “ST6” is some kind of story made up by the US government for some type of propaganda reasons. Maybe they do/did exist… but I think the government has decided to have a bit of fun with the idea of “super team america”. It all does sound a little bit “american”

Why do the ST6 exist… to try and lift the morals of the people in america living in an economical disaster … or maybe to justify the US military missions? Maybe they want to make money from a upcoming movie?

tweet[/quote]

Since we will never know if this kidnapping/rescue actually happened it might as well be propaganda.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey guys correct me if I’m wrong but I was under the impression that Delta Force are the ones who are specifically trained for hostage rescue. With that said, great job by ST6. This is one more reason why our enemies should be afraid…very afraid![/quote]

ST6’s primary role is counter-terrorism including hostage rescue. From what I understand they were set up after Delta’s failed rescue attempt in Iran, 1980 - Operation Eagle Claw.[/quote]

One failed attempt in 1980 and they don’t use them anymore? That doesn’t sound right.

[/quote]

That’s not what I meant. Delta are counter-terrorist and hostage rescue experts also. The important thing is the hostages are safe and no one got hurt except for the terrorists who are all dead. Hopefully this will inspire fear and demoralise their colleagues.[/quote]

Yes, it’s all good as I said. But my question was why didn’t they use Delta Force as they are specifically trained for hostage rescue…that’s all they do. But as I suggested earlier it could be a regional thing.[/quote]

If you’re interested I would check out: Rogue Warrior by Richard Marcinko. It’s a book that talks about the creation and early missions of seal team 6 and Marcinko is basically responsible for 6. If I remember right, Delta Force is anti-terrorism but is used in larger operations and takes more time to bring together, where as Seal Team 6 is meant for small group operations and can go at a seconds notice.

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[quote]UAphenix wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey guys correct me if I’m wrong but I was under the impression that Delta Force are the ones who are specifically trained for hostage rescue. With that said, great job by ST6. This is one more reason why our enemies should be afraid…very afraid![/quote]

ST6’s primary role is counter-terrorism including hostage rescue. From what I understand they were set up after Delta’s failed rescue attempt in Iran, 1980 - Operation Eagle Claw.[/quote]

One failed attempt in 1980 and they don’t use them anymore? That doesn’t sound right.

[/quote]

That’s not what I meant. Delta are counter-terrorist and hostage rescue experts also. The important thing is the hostages are safe and no one got hurt except for the terrorists who are all dead. Hopefully this will inspire fear and demoralise their colleagues.[/quote]

Yes, it’s all good as I said. But my question was why didn’t they use Delta Force as they are specifically trained for hostage rescue…that’s all they do. But as I suggested earlier it could be a regional thing.[/quote]

If you’re interested I would check out: Rogue Warrior by Richard Marcinko. It’s a book that talks about the creation and early missions of seal team 6 and Marcinko is basically responsible for 6. If I remember right, Delta Force is anti-terrorism but is used in larger operations and takes more time to bring together, where as Seal Team 6 is meant for small group operations and can go at a seconds notice. [/quote]

Awesome…AWESOME books.

Rogue Warrior and Red Cell 2.

So real, they threw him in jail for writing them.

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[quote]UAphenix wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey guys correct me if I’m wrong but I was under the impression that Delta Force are the ones who are specifically trained for hostage rescue. With that said, great job by ST6. This is one more reason why our enemies should be afraid…very afraid![/quote]

ST6’s primary role is counter-terrorism including hostage rescue. From what I understand they were set up after Delta’s failed rescue attempt in Iran, 1980 - Operation Eagle Claw.[/quote]

One failed attempt in 1980 and they don’t use them anymore? That doesn’t sound right.

[/quote]

That’s not what I meant. Delta are counter-terrorist and hostage rescue experts also. The important thing is the hostages are safe and no one got hurt except for the terrorists who are all dead. Hopefully this will inspire fear and demoralise their colleagues.[/quote]

Yes, it’s all good as I said. But my question was why didn’t they use Delta Force as they are specifically trained for hostage rescue…that’s all they do. But as I suggested earlier it could be a regional thing.[/quote]

If you’re interested I would check out: Rogue Warrior by Richard Marcinko. It’s a book that talks about the creation and early missions of seal team 6 and Marcinko is basically responsible for 6. If I remember right, Delta Force is anti-terrorism but is used in larger operations and takes more time to bring together, where as Seal Team 6 is meant for small group operations and can go at a seconds notice. [/quote]

Ah, thank you for that answer it makes perfect sense.

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[quote]theBird wrote:
Im starting to think “ST6” is some kind of story made up by the US government for some type of propaganda reasons. Maybe they do/did exist… but I think the government has decided to have a bit of fun with the idea of “super team america”. It all does sound a little bit “american”

Why do the ST6 exist… to try and lift the morals of the people in america living in an economical disaster … or maybe to justify the US military missions? Maybe they want to make money from a upcoming movie?

tweet[/quote]

ST6 is in the news now more than ever because the current administration has no qualms against using their success as a way to shed positive light on himself.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
9 people died for 2 people. [/quote]

didn’t the pirates understand the risk when they took these people hostage?

They played,

they paid.[/quote]

No doubt. Just seems like all criminals should be afforded a trial by jury.

This is just one more feather in Obama’s cap and nothing more.[/quote]

If they would have released their prisoners and turned themselves in perhaps they could have had a trial. They chose to play the wrong game and did not pass go.

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Yeah, I know…but…and just hear me out: could they have used nonlethal ways to capture these individuals?

Sure. The benefit would have served US propaganda much better around he world.

Instead of having just an American Hero propaganda story for Americans it could have been a message to the rest of the world that the American military is actually “fighting for justice”.

Just saying…seems like most of these “adventures” are poorly thought out – at least in terms of international PR.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Yeah, I know…but…and just hear me out: could they have used nonlethal ways to capture these individuals?

Sure. The benefit would have served US propaganda much better around he world.

Instead of having just an American Hero propaganda story for Americans it could have been a message to the rest of the world that the American military is actually “fighting for justice”.

Just saying…seems like most of these “adventures” are poorly thought out – at least in terms of international PR.[/quote]

Non-lethal ways to conduct hostage rescue operations from kidnappers in Somalia? You can lead the first non-lethal raid into a hostile area like that and let us all know how this ends up. Have you ever been shot at? Faced a hostile individual with a weapon? Wake up from your dream and realize the world doesn’t work that way. I take it your time in the military/law enforcement gave you the experience to understand these ideas are valid ones?

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You can disparage me but you cannot disparage logic.

The government has lied in the past which makes it untenable as a source of information regarding itself.

The news media gets all of its information about government from government so then…?

I’ll let you figure it out on your own.

Nothwithstanding, even if this story is true how does it change the fact that it could have been a different outcome that would have been better for US government foreign relations?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
You can disparage me but you cannot disparage logic.

The government has lied in the past which makes it untenable as a source of information regarding itself.

The news media gets all of its information about government from government so then…?

I’ll let you figure it out on your own.

Nothwithstanding, even if this story is true how does it change the fact that it could have been a different outcome that would have been better for US government foreign relations?[/quote]

What the heck is wrong with you?

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[quote]TheTexican wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Yeah, I know…but…and just hear me out: could they have used nonlethal ways to capture these individuals?

Sure. The benefit would have served US propaganda much better around he world.

Instead of having just an American Hero propaganda story for Americans it could have been a message to the rest of the world that the American military is actually “fighting for justice”.

Just saying…seems like most of these “adventures” are poorly thought out – at least in terms of international PR.[/quote]

Non-lethal ways to conduct hostage rescue operations from kidnappers in Somalia? You can lead the first non-lethal raid into a hostile area like that and let us all know how this ends up. Have you ever been shot at? Faced a hostile individual with a weapon? Wake up from your dream and realize the world doesn’t work that way. I take it your time in the military/law enforcement gave you the experience to understand these ideas are valid ones?[/quote]

So you’re telling me these super-top-secret-ninja-warrior-assassins are not actually that badass?

My time in the military taught me not to trust people that ask me to “jump on grenades” for their causes.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
You can disparage me but you cannot disparage logic.

The government has lied in the past which makes it untenable as a source of information regarding itself.

The news media gets all of its information about government from government so then…?

I’ll let you figure it out on your own.

Nothwithstanding, even if this story is true how does it change the fact that it could have been a different outcome that would have been better for US government foreign relations?[/quote]

What the heck is wrong with you?
[/quote]

I like to ask questions that spit at your value system.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
You can disparage me but you cannot disparage logic.

The government has lied in the past which makes it untenable as a source of information regarding itself.

The news media gets all of its information about government from government so then…?

I’ll let you figure it out on your own.

Nothwithstanding, even if this story is true how does it change the fact that it could have been a different outcome that would have been better for US government foreign relations?[/quote]

What the heck is wrong with you?
[/quote]

I like to ask questions that spit at your value system.
[/quote]

But they don’t even accomplish that, being so detached from reality.