[quote]ron33 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
dhickey wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Er… I willingly help the poor. Fuck people who put a gun to my head and force me to help the poor, I say!
I personally have never seen some one putting a gun to some ones head. And my point is we do not want to give them a free lunch, we do not want to control industry to allow them a livable wage, we want to act their lack of motivation is all their fault, where if they did take a job some one else would lose theirs. We need industry; we need to control our market place. The free market will exploit their workers as well as the environment, as well as the customer if we do not demand better of them. I know it is imperfect, I know all the (Market knows best people) will say the market knows best. But we see the results of a free market.
Again, irrational, illogical, and unreasonable bullshit. It so easy to spout of shit like this. It’s quite another to apply reason or logic to explain why this is indeed the case.
What is irrational, you are the one taking the easy out by saying what I say is irrational,with no explaination. I think that is your standard rhetorical defense
PB ,I think Dickey does’nt understand what you are saying ,because he must not have dealt with the problems you speak of in his neighborhood.I grew up in southwest ohio,in what use to be a hard working ,safe place to make a living.there were machine tool, auto plants,breweries,steel plants,etc. with good paying jobs.it’s all gone now,and the place is turning into a crime ridden shit hole.jobs pay about half of what they used to with no benefits .even the good public service fire ,cop etc. are laying off and schools are getting ready to lay off teachers etc.Gee there’s no problem is there.this place started going down the tubes in the early to mid 80’s.thats also when we started seeing a large # of homeless people around here,when gov’t cut the funding for mental institutions and the people had no where to go but the streets.By the way i also lived in socal ,in late 70’s early 80’s same situation,went to dallas in mid 80’s ,same thing.The area in which i live had 6 yrs. when billy boy was prez ,that companies were actually needing more workers than they could get,and willing to pay,but then it all turned to shit again.???
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You’re right, in the “ghetto” thread, dhickey demonstrated that he had neither experienced these problems…or even heard of the economic theories/models that deal with them. Despite his rather constant appeals for people to read about economics, he wouldn’t bother to read the models I laid before him. He actually asked (seriously I think), “how does trade affect poverty?”
That being said, I do disagree with the solutions PB is suggesting. I don’t think the govt should “control the market.” I think the role of govt is to provide trainings, safety nets, etc to smooth over economic transitions like the one the “rust belt” should be going though. Once competitive advantage in an industry is gone…it’s gone. But the people there have other competitive advantages that they can use to produce other things (generally higher ed = competitive advantage in more technical manufacturing or other “brainy” jobs).