Screw Racism

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[quote]BEAR BORN wrote:
It is intriguing that in every other country with slavery abolished within the last two centuries all seem to have less social stigma regarding the formerly enslaved group and seem to have a better national relationship and fewer if any programs specifically geared towards the enslaved group. Serfdom in Russia anyone? There’s no affirmative action for former serf families nor any type of reparations for the former laborers.

Most of the issue with white to black racism as I see it and have discussed it with people of all races being different than white to white or X to X as opposed to X to Y is that the overwhelming majority of blacks in America are descended from slaves and it’s an impossible trait not to see specifically because it is just as un-missable as a trait can be, literally the color of your skin. I’d like to think that another 100 years will see the end of white/black/black/white (however you would like to write it) racism in it’s present form but it’s become a social object that has been accepted as politically incorrect and then left to it’s own devices to grow into American racism in it’s present form.

Having programs and public events (such as black history month) specifically geared towards giving assistance and pride to a formerly enslaved group places the message that that group needs said programs and assistance in order to have pride or achieve success.

Just my 2 cents.[/quote]

Yeah, lot of good people fought to try and make everyone equal…so we can treat them different? What the fuck kind of logic is that? Guilt? I have none, being born in 1979, I didn’t have anything to do with slavery or segregation. Why the fuck would I feel guilty?

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I would say it is important to learn from it and know about it in detail.

I also don’t think he is beating himself up about it. In fact, I would guess many younger guys today are completely unaware of just how fucked up shit was in the 60’s and before…and that goes for all races.[/quote]

The average Joe doesn’t know anything more about his ethnicity/family history/genealogy than what his grandparents told him. And that’s usually not very much.

There’s a good TV show in the UK called ‘Who Do You Think You Are?’ that traces the genealogy of well known people. London Mayor Boris Johnson was featured in one episode. All he knew about himself at the beginning of the show was that he was of French and Turkish descent. By the end of the show he finds out that he’s a direct descendant of King George II.

Another episode features celebrity chef Ainsley Harriott. At the beginning of the episode all he knows is that he’s descended from Jamaican/West Indian slaves. He soon finds out that he is also descended from white slave traders in Jamaica.[/quote]

My cousin living in Perth told me once of his 17 year old Australian classmate who had no idea of the Aboriginal genocide and and the abuse of the indigenous children until her and other group of students had to write a thesis on races relations in Australia. Apparently she was so horrified she cried during the presentation. Her family had cocooned her so well.

She is one of the few Australians who are genuinely sorry on ‘sorry day’.[/quote]

I have mixed feelings about feeling sorry for something like this. In one hand, she didn’t kill anyone. And even if someone in her ascendancy took away children from the natives, she still didn’t do it herself. It’s good that she learns what happened, but from a neutral point of view if possible and without any kind of emotional blackmailing.

When South Americans come to Spanish newspapers to whine at the comments section about Spanish colonialism, I can just feel sorry because they sound stupid. They complain about something that started 500 years ago, and I can not feel sorry for something that “we” did. I didn’t choose or support it and it happened way too long ago.

Then, in the other hand, now living in a former Soviet republic, I kinda feel bad when Russians don’t show respect to Estonian independence day, mourning days, etc. Although the time lapse is much different, since this was not so much ago. The beginning of deportations started 70 years ago and many people I know got their grandparents deported to Siberia.

You also have Russians saying that there was no occupation at all, etc. but that’s product of brainwashing education.

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^^ It’s true.

Carrying guilt over to people of the same skin color that had nothing to do with slavery is a form of racial thinking also.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:
I have mixed feelings about feeling sorry for something like this. In one hand, she didn’t kill anyone. And even if someone in her ascendancy took away children from the natives, she still didn’t do it herself. It’s good that she learns what happened, but from a neutral point of view if possible and without any kind of emotional blackmailing.

When South Americans come to Spanish newspapers to whine at the comments section about Spanish colonialism, I can just feel sorry because they sound stupid. They complain about something that started 500 years ago, and I can not feel sorry for something that “we” did. I didn’t choose or support it and it happened way too long ago.

Then, in the other hand, now living in a former Soviet republic, I kinda feel bad when Russians don’t show respect to Estonian independence day, mourning days, etc. Although the time lapse is much different, since this was not so much ago. The beginning of deportations started 70 years ago and many people I know got their grandparents deported to Siberia.

You also have Russians saying that there was no occupation at all, etc. but that’s product of brainwashing education.

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My point was much more in relation with the folks that have no idea of the shit that went through between races. OP is one of the examples as well.

The last line of my post was aimed at SM who wondered -sarcastically - in one of his posts, if the Australian ‘sorry day’ is working or not.

And I don’t care whether a white person feels guilt or not about what other white people did centuries, and even decades ago. I’m not asking every single white person I live, work, train or fuck with to apologise to me for the shit his/her ancestors did to my race. They owe me nothing.

The only thing that irks me is the ignorance or lack of sensibility from some. And this thread proves it. Most of the posts with racist undertone or mainly racist posted in this place so far had been by white peeps. And that says it all.

But as I always say, ‘that’s life, deal with it.’

Fuck racism.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I would say it is important to learn from it and know about it in detail.

I also don’t think he is beating himself up about it. In fact, I would guess many younger guys today are completely unaware of just how fucked up shit was in the 60’s and before…and that goes for all races.[/quote]

The average Joe doesn’t know anything more about his ethnicity/family history/genealogy than what his grandparents told him. And that’s usually not very much.

There’s a good TV show in the UK called ‘Who Do You Think You Are?’ that traces the genealogy of well known people. London Mayor Boris Johnson was featured in one episode. All he knew about himself at the beginning of the show was that he was of French and Turkish descent. By the end of the show he finds out that he’s a direct descendant of King George II.

Another episode features celebrity chef Ainsley Harriott. At the beginning of the episode all he knows is that he’s descended from Jamaican/West Indian slaves. He soon finds out that he is also descended from white slave traders in Jamaica.[/quote]

My cousin living in Perth told me once of his 17 year old Australian classmate who had no idea of the Aboriginal genocide and and the abuse of the indigenous children until her and other group of students had to write a thesis on races relations in Australia. Apparently she was so horrified she cried during the presentation. Her family had cocooned her so well.

She is one of the few Australians who are genuinely sorry on ‘sorry day’.[/quote]

There’s a big difference between feeling sorry and apologising. Apologising is admitting that YOU PERSONALLY have committed some wrong. Now I’m not going to argue with you about the treatment of the aborigines historically because it’s not going to change what you think about it. But my objection to ‘Sorry Day’ is that it is carries with it the agenda of the mainstream aboriginal ‘rights’ movement which basically comprises allowing the isolated rural communities to wallow in alcoholism, drug abuse, petrol sniffing and domestic violence. The leader of the now defunct and disgraced ATSIC department of our government, used to embezzle the department’s funds instead of spending them on ‘his people’.

Some people, including prominent aboriginals Noel Pearson, Warren Mundine and Beth Price believe that the state should intervene to protect the women and children in particular and basically improve the lot of the communities in general through education and health care spending reforms. They also support some discriminatory but paternalistic laws that were brought in by our former conservative government to prevent alcohol being brought in and to control their welfare spending to prevent them from buying drugs and alcohol instead of food. This is a part of the truth of the matter. Generally those on the ‘left’ oppose the intervention and those on the ‘right’ support it. I’m one of those ‘right-wing’ lunatics who advocates protecting women and children.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Nope. We are a country of racist white devils though. We have an annual ‘Sorry Day’ to help white people purge the wickedness from our souls. I can’t tell yet if it’s working or not.[/quote]

You seem to always have a lot of peripheral, irrelevant bullshit to talk about when the topic of racism comes up, e.g. the '64 Mississippi lynching or Emmett Till murders are in discussion and you post a video of a guy singing in blackface and make a sarcastic comment about white guilt. This is regular. What I have yet to see you do is type a single word in condemnation of racism, or racists, or even racial violence, despite the fact that you post in almost every thread on the subject. Just another step along the path ultimately leading to the conclusion that you are a piece of shit.[/quote]

You can’t change a racist cunt mentality.
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Agreed. Now take your watermelons and fried chicken and leave by the side door.[/quote]

Pff! rolls eyes

Wrong!

I like my chicken steamed or grilled preferably. With shit loads of broccoli and spinach.

Pineapple and mango are my favourite fruit. Higher in sugar than watermelon I reckon- but rich in fibre.
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That’s all boring bullshit. Chicken should be battered and fried in hydrogenated vegetable oil and watermelons need to be pureed and mixed with rum. In addition, fibre should be avoided at all costs as it helps prevent hemorrhoids which look really cool and impress the chicks when they bleed.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
My cousin living in Perth told me once of his 17 year old Australian classmate who had no idea of the Aboriginal genocide and and the abuse of the indigenous children until her and other group of students had to write a thesis on races relations in Australia. Apparently she was so horrified she cried during the presentation. Her family had cocooned her so well.

She is one of the few Australians who are genuinely sorry on ‘sorry day’.[/quote]

That’s really sad.

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I’m just going to leave this here…

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
I have mixed feelings about feeling sorry for something like this. In one hand, she didn’t kill anyone. And even if someone in her ascendancy took away children from the natives, she still didn’t do it herself. It’s good that she learns what happened, but from a neutral point of view if possible and without any kind of emotional blackmailing.

When South Americans come to Spanish newspapers to whine at the comments section about Spanish colonialism, I can just feel sorry because they sound stupid. They complain about something that started 500 years ago, and I can not feel sorry for something that “we” did. I didn’t choose or support it and it happened way too long ago.

Then, in the other hand, now living in a former Soviet republic, I kinda feel bad when Russians don’t show respect to Estonian independence day, mourning days, etc. Although the time lapse is much different, since this was not so much ago. The beginning of deportations started 70 years ago and many people I know got their grandparents deported to Siberia.

You also have Russians saying that there was no occupation at all, etc. but that’s product of brainwashing education.

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My point was much more in relation with the folks that have no idea of the shit that went through between races. OP is one of the examples as well.

The last line of my post was aimed at SM who wondered -sarcastically - in one of his posts, if the Australian ‘sorry day’ is working or not.

And I don’t care whether a white person feels guilt or not about what other white people did centuries, and even decades ago. I’m not asking every single white person I live, work, train or fuck with to apologise to me for the shit his/her ancestors did to my race. They owe me nothing.

The only thing that irks me is the ignorance or lack of sensibility from some. And this thread proves it. Most of the posts with racist undertone or mainly racist posted in this place so far had been by white peeps. And that says it all.

But as I always say, ‘that’s life, deal with it.’

Fuck racism.
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Lack of sensibility…or people just trying to wind you up?

Yesterday this happened in the Women World Cup. I chuckled. What can I say…

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

That’s all boring bullshit. Chicken should be battered and fried in hydrogenated vegetable oil and watermelons need to be pureed and mixed with rum. In addition, fibre should be avoided at all costs as it helps prevent hemorrhoids which look really cool and impress the chicks when they bleed.[/quote]

You’re really disgusting, you know?

Truly disgusting.

And the chicks don’t bleed due to the haemorrhoids. They love fibre.

The machinery makes them bleed.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

Lack of sensibility…or people just trying to wind you up?

Yesterday this happened in the Women World Cup. I chuckled. What can I say…
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Oh cool, French team moves to the semi. Well done, babes.

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I have cousins who have german last names who would dress/act like your stereotypical mexican gangsters just to fit in where they grew up.[/quote]

This is very sad. I’m glad I dont live in America and never will.

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[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
My cousin living in Perth told me once of his 17 year old Australian classmate who had no idea of the Aboriginal genocide and and the abuse of the indigenous children until her and other group of students had to write a thesis on races relations in Australia. Apparently she was so horrified she cried during the presentation. Her family had cocooned her so well.

She is one of the few Australians who are genuinely sorry on ‘sorry day’.[/quote]

That’s really sad.[/quote]

Sorry day? what the hell is that? what a fucking joke. Why should present day “me” be sorry for something that people who are not me did. It should be about the individual. If “you” have done racist shit then appologise, if you have not then you have absolutely nothing to be sorry about even if your parents or grandparents were racists. Its like sending a father and son to prison if the father robbed a bank.
Making people feel bad for something they had nothing to do with is incredibly irritating. I

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
I have mixed feelings about feeling sorry for something like this. In one hand, she didn’t kill anyone. And even if someone in her ascendancy took away children from the natives, she still didn’t do it herself. It’s good that she learns what happened, but from a neutral point of view if possible and without any kind of emotional blackmailing.

When South Americans come to Spanish newspapers to whine at the comments section about Spanish colonialism, I can just feel sorry because they sound stupid. They complain about something that started 500 years ago, and I can not feel sorry for something that “we” did. I didn’t choose or support it and it happened way too long ago.

Then, in the other hand, now living in a former Soviet republic, I kinda feel bad when Russians don’t show respect to Estonian independence day, mourning days, etc. Although the time lapse is much different, since this was not so much ago. The beginning of deportations started 70 years ago and many people I know got their grandparents deported to Siberia.

You also have Russians saying that there was no occupation at all, etc. but that’s product of brainwashing education.

[/quote]

My point was much more in relation with the folks that have no idea of the shit that went through between races. OP is one of the examples as well.

The last line of my post was aimed at SM who wondered -sarcastically - in one of his posts, if the Australian ‘sorry day’ is working or not.

And I don’t care whether a white person feels guilt or not about what other white people did centuries, and even decades ago. I’m not asking every single white person I live, work, train or fuck with to apologise to me for the shit his/her ancestors did to my race. They owe me nothing.

The only thing that irks me is the ignorance or lack of sensibility from some. And this thread proves it. Most of the posts with racist undertone or mainly racist posted in this place so far had been by white peeps. And that says it all.

But as I always say, ‘that’s life, deal with it.’

Fuck racism.
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This:

is very true and it has been that way since I first logged on. The truly hateful shit seems to usually only come from one direction on this forum…of course, always in the guise of “just having fun”. Not too many will speak out against it either.

They usually come after me for noticing it.

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^^ Yeah, I agree with that. It seems like lots of people like to make the typical black jokes that even I (a Canadian) have heard used many times before.
Maybe it’s a way to show that they aren’t scared of something. I’m not sure how to describe it psychologically, but maybe it’s like saying the things you’re not supposed to say to show that you’re not scared to say those taboo things. I dunno if that made sense.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
I have mixed feelings about feeling sorry for something like this. In one hand, she didn’t kill anyone. And even if someone in her ascendancy took away children from the natives, she still didn’t do it herself. It’s good that she learns what happened, but from a neutral point of view if possible and without any kind of emotional blackmailing.

When South Americans come to Spanish newspapers to whine at the comments section about Spanish colonialism, I can just feel sorry because they sound stupid. They complain about something that started 500 years ago, and I can not feel sorry for something that “we” did. I didn’t choose or support it and it happened way too long ago.

Then, in the other hand, now living in a former Soviet republic, I kinda feel bad when Russians don’t show respect to Estonian independence day, mourning days, etc. Although the time lapse is much different, since this was not so much ago. The beginning of deportations started 70 years ago and many people I know got their grandparents deported to Siberia.

You also have Russians saying that there was no occupation at all, etc. but that’s product of brainwashing education.

[/quote]

My point was much more in relation with the folks that have no idea of the shit that went through between races. OP is one of the examples as well.

The last line of my post was aimed at SM who wondered -sarcastically - in one of his posts, if the Australian ‘sorry day’ is working or not.

And I don’t care whether a white person feels guilt or not about what other white people did centuries, and even decades ago. I’m not asking every single white person I live, work, train or fuck with to apologise to me for the shit his/her ancestors did to my race. They owe me nothing.

The only thing that irks me is the ignorance or lack of sensibility from some. And this thread proves it. Most of the posts with racist undertone or mainly racist posted in this place so far had been by white peeps. And that says it all.

But as I always say, ‘that’s life, deal with it.’

Fuck racism.
[/quote]

This:

is very true and it has been that way since I first logged on. The truly hateful shit seems to usually only come from one direction on this forum…of course, always in the guise of “just having fun”. Not too many will speak out against it either.

They usually come after me for noticing it.[/quote]

Truly hateful? You mean like;

[quote]doogie wrote:
Watching Rosewood always made me want to kill whitey.

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3296985369/[/quote]

Conceded there’s a Finish headcase and some shit stirrers here. There aren’t any posts expressing the desire to murder blacks though. If I was a sensitive cracker I might take offense at doogie’s post.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
I have mixed feelings about feeling sorry for something like this. In one hand, she didn’t kill anyone. And even if someone in her ascendancy took away children from the natives, she still didn’t do it herself. It’s good that she learns what happened, but from a neutral point of view if possible and without any kind of emotional blackmailing.

When South Americans come to Spanish newspapers to whine at the comments section about Spanish colonialism, I can just feel sorry because they sound stupid. They complain about something that started 500 years ago, and I can not feel sorry for something that “we” did. I didn’t choose or support it and it happened way too long ago.

Then, in the other hand, now living in a former Soviet republic, I kinda feel bad when Russians don’t show respect to Estonian independence day, mourning days, etc. Although the time lapse is much different, since this was not so much ago. The beginning of deportations started 70 years ago and many people I know got their grandparents deported to Siberia.

You also have Russians saying that there was no occupation at all, etc. but that’s product of brainwashing education.

[/quote]

My point was much more in relation with the folks that have no idea of the shit that went through between races. OP is one of the examples as well.

The last line of my post was aimed at SM who wondered -sarcastically - in one of his posts, if the Australian ‘sorry day’ is working or not.

And I don’t care whether a white person feels guilt or not about what other white people did centuries, and even decades ago. I’m not asking every single white person I live, work, train or fuck with to apologise to me for the shit his/her ancestors did to my race. They owe me nothing.

The only thing that irks me is the ignorance or lack of sensibility from some. And this thread proves it. Most of the posts with racist undertone or mainly racist posted in this place so far had been by white peeps. And that says it all.

But as I always say, ‘that’s life, deal with it.’

Fuck racism.
[/quote]

This:

is very true and it has been that way since I first logged on. The truly hateful shit seems to usually only come from one direction on this forum…of course, always in the guise of “just having fun”. Not too many will speak out against it either.

They usually come after me for noticing it.[/quote]

Truly hateful? You mean like;

[quote]doogie wrote:
Watching Rosewood always made me want to kill whitey.

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3296985369/[/quote]

Conceded there’s a Finish headcase and some shit stirrers here. There aren’t any posts expressing the desire to murder blacks though. If I was a sensitive cracker I might take offense at doogie’s post.[/quote]

I’m a lily-white ginger, doofus.

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HA HA HA!!!

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Hahaha!!! That’s some funny shit!

Big Fail SM. Big fucking fail.

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When I was a toddler, my grandmother tried to teach me to call her “Granny”. All I could say was “Mammy”.
This name stuck, and I called her Mammy until the day she died 18 years ago!

So that makes me half black.

lol