[quote]jskrabac wrote:
y’all hear the one about the pirate with the steering wheel on his penis???
I asked him about it. He said, “YARRRRRR! IT’S DRIVIN’ ME NUTS!!”
Damn pirates. I fucking hate them. They should just go back to the sea where they belong. [/quote]
Thinly veiled homophobia, I see your true agenda…Trying to rid the world of the Butt Pirates and Rump Rangers
Forgotten Irish slave trade:
'The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.
Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. THE MAJORITY OF THE EARLY SLAVES TO THE NEW WORLD WERE ACTUALLY WHITE.’
‘During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.’
etc
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]porkpie wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I have mixed feelings about feeling sorry for something like this. In one hand, she didn’t kill anyone. And even if someone in her ascendancy took away children from the natives, she still didn’t do it herself. It’s good that she learns what happened, but from a neutral point of view if possible and without any kind of emotional blackmailing.
When South Americans come to Spanish newspapers to whine at the comments section about Spanish colonialism, I can just feel sorry because they sound stupid. They complain about something that started 500 years ago, and I can not feel sorry for something that “we” did. I didn’t choose or support it and it happened way too long ago.
Then, in the other hand, now living in a former Soviet republic, I kinda feel bad when Russians don’t show respect to Estonian independence day, mourning days, etc. Although the time lapse is much different, since this was not so much ago. The beginning of deportations started 70 years ago and many people I know got their grandparents deported to Siberia.
You also have Russians saying that there was no occupation at all, etc. but that’s product of brainwashing education.
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My point was much more in relation with the folks that have no idea of the shit that went through between races. OP is one of the examples as well.
The last line of my post was aimed at SM who wondered -sarcastically - in one of his posts, if the Australian ‘sorry day’ is working or not.
And I don’t care whether a white person feels guilt or not about what other white people did centuries, and even decades ago. I’m not asking every single white person I live, work, train or fuck with to apologise to me for the shit his/her ancestors did to my race. They owe me nothing.
The only thing that irks me is the ignorance or lack of sensibility from some. And this thread proves it. Most of the posts with racist undertone or mainly racist posted in this place so far had been by white peeps. And that says it all.
But as I always say, ‘that’s life, deal with it.’
Fuck racism.
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This:
is very true and it has been that way since I first logged on. The truly hateful shit seems to usually only come from one direction on this forum…of course, always in the guise of “just having fun”. Not too many will speak out against it either.
They usually come after me for noticing it.[/quote]
Sorry X, could you clarify which direction is it coming from?
I don’t want this statement to be ambiguous, which direction is this truly hateful shit coming from?
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No, first, clarify something for me.
When someone writes something like:
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Well Raj, does the black community in Canada like to play the race card when it benefits them. As it happens here in America, let me say not the majority of the blacks do it but like always its the few that spoil it for all. [/quote]
why do you stay quiet?
Answer that first.
Why be so selective as to ignore all of that and only focus on me?
How about this, any further comments about me will be ignored. Stay on topic. Why ignore racist remarks from others like you have just now?[/quote]
Why do i stay quiet on these boards, because I find the whole culture on here very very strange. When people come on here to learn from the articles and find completely conflicting advice on the forums.
I don’t think i was making comments about you, i was asking for some clarification of the point you were trying to make.
You were generalising about all us ‘damn white folk’
Whereas the poster said some ‘let me say not the majority of the blacks do it but like always its the few that spoil it for all’
Which is true and a more balanced reply than the one you make.
Cheers
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
So if I summarize this to see whether I got the point, while the sentiments of the hater might be the same in both cases, the hatee, so to speak, is in a different position because he cannot change the color of his skin, he cannot assimilate and therefore skin color based discrimination has a more profound social impact?
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That is only part of it. The rest involves the after math of that much hatred…thus why things like “Reefer Madness” propaganda relied heavily on flat out making blacks and hispanics out to be evil and thus corrupting pure white people…and that was in the 1930’s-50’s.
It isn’t about a need to assimilate as it is a lack of needing to if you look the same.
You know why people don’t hate Irish people now? Because they don’t know who the fuck they are.
Unless someone flat out yells out they are Irish or has a thick accent, who the fuck would know?
I’m not even all black but do you think anyone cares?[/quote]
I’ve watched reefer madness…
Lots of white folks in that too
[quote]porkpie wrote:
You were generalising about all us ‘damn white folk’
Whereas the poster said some ‘let me say not the majority of the blacks do it but like always its the few that spoil it for all’
Which is true and a more balanced reply than the one you make.
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That’s exactly what I was going to say but I didn’t bother.
Moneypenny is going to be black and sexy (Naomi Harris) on Bond 23.
[quote]porkpie wrote:
Why do i stay quiet on these boards, because I find the whole culture on here very very strange. When people come on here to learn from the articles and find completely conflicting advice on the forums.
I don’t think i was making comments about you, i was asking for some clarification of the point you were trying to make.
You were generalising about all us ‘damn white folk’
Whereas the poster said some ‘let me say not the majority of the blacks do it but like always its the few that spoil it for all’
Which is true and a more balanced reply than the one you make.
Cheers[/quote]
Wow. That’s incredible.
…or a complete waste of my time, one of the two.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m not even all black but do you think anyone cares?[/quote]
You know what’s interesting? Most African-Americans aren’t 100% black.
58 percent of African Americans have at least 12.5 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one great-grandparent);
19.6 percent of African Americans have at least 25 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one grandparent);
1 percent of African Americans have at least 50 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one parent); and
5 percent of African Americans have at least 12.5 percent Native American ancestry (equivalent to one great-grandparent)
-Henry Louis Gates Jr.
When I was younger (in grammar school), I thought only white people were racist. As I grew older and became friends with more minorities I realized they were just as racist than the white people I’ve ecountered my whole life. Examples would be blacks making racist jokes about Mexicans as well as Asians and Dominicans (of all people) talking shit about blacks. This board isn’t any different. The generalizations written before about white people is just too ironic. As if making an observation than applying to entire race is somehow not racist in itself.
I think Stronghold’s posts were right on the money.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
When I was younger (in grammar school), I thought only white people were racist. As I grew older and became friends with more minorities I realized they were just as racist than the white people I’ve ecountered my whole life. Examples would be blacks making racist jokes about Mexicans as well as Asians and Dominicans (of all people) talking shit about blacks. This board isn’t any different. The generalizations written before about white people is just too ironic. As if making an observation than applying to entire race is somehow not racist in itself.
I think Stronghold’s posts were right on the money.
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The only generalization made about white people was the comment that most of the truly hateful comments only seem to come from white people ON THIS BOARD. Not one person here made some sweeping generalization about all white people in the country.
That is why reading comprehension was mentioned so many times.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The only generalization made about white people was the comment that most of the truly hateful comments only seem to come from white people ON THIS BOARD. Not one person here made some sweeping generalization about all white people in the country.
That is why reading comprehension was mentioned so many times.
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Stronghold quoted the generalizations back on page 8.
Yeah, so no need to mention reading comprehension again. I know that’s your “go to” response in every debate but you could save it for another thread this time.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The only generalization made about white people was the comment that most of the truly hateful comments only seem to come from white people ON THIS BOARD. Not one person here made some sweeping generalization about all white people in the country.
That is why reading comprehension was mentioned so many times.
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Stronghold quoted the generalizations back on page 8.
Yeah, so no need to mention reading comprehension again. I know that’s your “go to” response in every debate but you could save it for another thread this time.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter what Stronghold wrote. I am telling you that no one here made some sweeping generalization about all white people on the planet and some negative action…while someone did make a statement that the actions of a few black people stand for the actions of all black people.
DarkNinjaa made an observation about this forum that was true and got jumped for it.
Did someone mention Gingers?
btw…I’d sell my whole collection of 8-tracks, just to spend an afternoon with Ninjaa…
Just sayin…
This is really a fucked up thread. I thought it would be about how we all embrace each other since we have somthing in common. Of course I expected a few jokes (about all ethnicities - this is immature nation after all) but to see so much negativity makes me feel sorry for so many of you.
In an age where knowledge is so readily abundant how can you feel accomplished wallowing in ignorance (which I feel is the basis of racism along with greed).
How do you stop racism - start from within!!
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]Waylander wrote:
[quote]TheMarathonMan wrote:
Just watched “Mississippi Burning”, fantastic movie. But I just feel the need for a forum hating racism. If someone is so ignorant, and seems to feel that the differences in races- one which people dont pick for themselves- makes one better or worse than another, then that person needs to be beaten senselessly. [/quote]
Your eloquence is astonishing. Yes let’s promote tolerance through the means of intolerance! I disagree with your views therefore I’m going to beat you senseless! I wonder when you’re going to start going around beating up all those racists in the world. Of course this just crusade will probably take you into almost everyone’s home. Hell you’ll probably find you’re beating yourself too.
I find it curious how a lot of white Americans seem to feel the need to make up for their vicious racist past by becoming zealots against racism. It’s just like how people can go OTT with passionately hating and vilifying paedophiles to make up for the fact that they don’t care about their children enough. Or people becoming pacifist socialists to make up for the fact that their country was an imperial empire stretching the globe in the past. It’s quite a narrow viewpoint, and just shows that people will just follow what is fashionable, often to make up for their insecurities.
Most people don’t consider that humans are innately racist to a large degree, depending on their upbringing (if you were immersed in a multi-racial environment as a kid then you’re more accepting of other races). But its human nature to be innately distrustful of people who don’t look similar to yourself. This cracked article sums it up pretty well, showing the hypocritical fallacies that people think.
What am I getting at here? I’m saying that intolerance is a contradictory way of promoting tolerance. You don’t beat someone senseless just because they have a different opinion to you. That’s the hypocrisy that starts up persecutory movements. Yes racism can often enter the realm of dangerous ignorance, and its important to remove that dangerous ignorance through edification. But unless we have widespread integration and multicultural societies, then racism will remain just another part of life and human nature.
Also Mississippi burning was a good film in the beginning, but then towards the end it didn’t seem to really go anywhere. It tried to ride the racist wave without adding in much substance. American History X is a much superior film.
inb4 someone calls me racist[/quote]
RACIST!!!
I agree. American History X was definitely far superior.
Mississippi Burning always reminds me of Emmet Till. RIP.
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The twist in American History X got me good the first time…since then I’ve watched the video more times than I can count. Damn good movie. [/quote]
I think you just watch it for the gay rape scene. Lol
What did I tell you? Spectacular.
Off topic - looking impressive in your avatar Prof. X
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
y’all hear the one about the pirate with the steering wheel on his penis???
I asked him about it. He said, “YARRRRRR! IT’S DRIVIN’ ME NUTS!!”
Damn pirates. I fucking hate them. They should just go back to the sea where they belong. [/quote]
Okay that’s fucking funny!! Hahaha!!
[quote]porkpie wrote:
Why do i stay quiet on these boards, because I find the whole culture on here very very strange. When people come on here to learn from the articles and find completely conflicting advice on the forums.
I don’t think i was making comments about you, i was asking for some clarification of the point you were trying to make.
You were generalising about all us ‘damn white folk’
Whereas the poster said some ‘let me say not the majority of the blacks do it but like always its the few that spoil it for all’
Which is true and a more balanced reply than the one you make.
Cheers[/quote]
Like I said… they only see what they wanna see…
Oh, some of the ignorant white folks can come here, use the N word, make generalizations about other races, which will be seen as ‘jokes’, no one will protest about it, and the blacks MUST stay quiet about it.
Once a black opens his or her mouth about the behaviour of some, hell yeah, to the white poster, that’s being a generalization.
Great. Hahaha!!! sacarstic laugh of course
We’ll have to agree to disagree on this.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
When I was younger (in grammar school), I thought only white people were racist. As I grew older and became friends with more minorities I realized they were just as racist than the white people I’ve ecountered my whole life. Examples would be blacks making racist jokes about Mexicans as well as Asians and Dominicans (of all people) talking shit about blacks. This board isn’t any different. The generalizations written before about white people is just too ironic. As if making an observation than applying to entire race is somehow not racist in itself.
I think Stronghold’s posts were right on the money.
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The only generalization made about white people was the comment that most of the truly hateful comments only seem to come from white people ON THIS BOARD. Not one person here made some sweeping generalization about all white people in the country.
That is why reading comprehension was mentioned so many times.
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Meh… why bother?
Actually edit: I see now where that ‘generalization’ accusation is coming from.
Well, I believe I wasn’t generalizing there. I made an observation regarding the ignorance of some white people and the fact that the thread was a proof in showing how ignorant some white folks can be.
I used most and, MOST of the members posting racial slurs in the first few pages are whites. If I’m wrong about it, then I’ll definitely retract my statement. In the meantime I’ll stand by what said.
