[quote]LoRez wrote:
Any info on the shooter? A student? Teacher? Teacher’s aide/volunteer?[/quote]
I’d bet my fucking ass it’s a middle-aged white guy with extreme right-wing political views.[/quote]
sympathizes with Islam (e.g., Tim McVeigh)[/quote]
While I agree the middle age white guy thing was stupid, what do McVeigh and Islam have in common? He was a Michigan Militia guy and they are about as far from being Islamic as you can get. They also make up a large segment of those “wackos” you mentioned.
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McVey’s last stated reason for the attack was sympathy for Iraq and his view that the USA was a bully in the middle east against Islam.[/quote]
His accomplice(Terry Nichols) who provided funds for the attack was likely trained by Islamists in the Philipines.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Any info on the shooter? A student? Teacher? Teacher’s aide/volunteer?[/quote]
I’d bet my fucking ass it’s a middle-aged white guy with extreme right-wing political views.[/quote]
sympathizes with Islam (e.g., Tim McVeigh)[/quote]
While I agree the middle age white guy thing was stupid, what do McVeigh and Islam have in common? He was a Michigan Militia guy and they are about as far from being Islamic as you can get. They also make up a large segment of those “wackos” you mentioned.
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McVey’s last stated reason for the attack was sympathy for Iraq and his view that the USA was a bully in the middle east against Islam.[/quote]
His accomplice(Terry Nichols) who provided funds for the attack was likely trained by Islamists in the Philipines.
Interesting, although they seem like pretty tenuous links. The thing is, rural Michigan really is a hotbed for the militia types, and the ones that I know (and I know quite a few) are more libertarian/right than left wing. I’m not disputing the left has it’s loons or that the Islamist ties are not there, just that Militia members are not usually lefties.
Was passed by a few SWAT vehicles on the highway today. Not in a million years would I have ever thought that the events of today were why. Truly sickening. My thoughts are with the victim’s families.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Any info on the shooter? A student? Teacher? Teacher’s aide/volunteer?[/quote]
I’d bet my fucking ass it’s a middle-aged white guy with extreme right-wing political views.[/quote]
sympathizes with Islam (e.g., Tim McVeigh)[/quote]
While I agree the middle age white guy thing was stupid, what do McVeigh and Islam have in common? He was a Michigan Militia guy and they are about as far from being Islamic as you can get. They also make up a large segment of those “wackos” you mentioned.
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McVey’s last stated reason for the attack was sympathy for Iraq and his view that the USA was a bully in the middle east against Islam.[/quote]
His accomplice(Terry Nichols) who provided funds for the attack was likely trained by Islamists in the Philipines.
Interesting, although they seem like pretty tenuous links. The thing is, rural Michigan really is a hotbed for the militia types, and the ones that I know (and I know quite a few) are more libertarian/right than left wing. I’m not disputing the left has it’s loons or that the Islamist ties are not there, just that Militia members are not usually lefties.
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Timothy McVeigh was very anti-government. Also of note, he killed a lot more people without the use of any firearms.
This was an interesting read when I first came across it after the whole Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman thing. I thought the writer was taking the wrong stance on Zimmerman’s actions, but the overall gist of the article is especially relevant and thought-provoking in light of this horrible tragedy.
I know that many here own firearms. All I ask is that you think honestly about the people in your life who know about them and have access to them. Please make sure your weapons are secure.
I think these type of events are a symptom of the anti-socialization of boys.
So many boys are at home playing video games, watching porn or hibernating in front of their computers. They do not have the social skills to be productive members of society or find happiness. I’m one of the few people you’ll talk to that believes computers shouldn’t be in elementary schools ( that time should be for building interpersonal skills).
Anyways that’s my hypothesis as to why we are seeing shootings are now happening on a bi-monthly basis.
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I find myself agreeing with you more and more, raj.
Terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. Unimaginably terrible. Here’s what I wrote somewhere else in response to some idiot woman (who incidentally told me to “woman up” before using the deaths of these innocent children as a platform for an opportunistic power grab:
I certainly feel terrible for this unbelievably disturbing, evil act. There are FAR too many of these in the USA lately, and my deepest, most heartfelt prayers go out to the victims and to those lost souls who may now also be contemplating a similar massacre.
WHY are these crimes becoming so widespread? WHY? Does anyone ever take a break from their pet policy power grab to stop and contemplate this question for a second? This is very important. Regulating guns is NOT going to stop psychopaths hellbent on initiating an orgy of mayhem and death. Look at how effective this guy was, and he didn’t need a single gun:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Let’s blame the music" - columbine shootings
let’s blame the video games
let’s blame the guns
“Everybody is wanting to know what music were the kids listening to, or what movies were they watching. Who gives a fuck what they was watching! Whatever happened to crazy? What, you can’t be crazy no more? Should we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?”[/quote]
Thing is, there seems to be a lot more “crazy” lately than there ever has been at any time I can think of throughout history. This particular kind of crazy, anyway,
Think about how widespread and easily accessible guns were in the 1950’s. Now try and think of massacres like this that occurred back then. I could be wrong, but I don’t believe I am.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Let’s blame the music" - columbine shootings
let’s blame the video games
let’s blame the guns
“Everybody is wanting to know what music were the kids listening to, or what movies were they watching. Who gives a fuck what they was watching! Whatever happened to crazy? What, you can’t be crazy no more? Should we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?”[/quote]
Thing is, there seems to be a lot more “crazy” lately than there ever has been at any time I can think of throughout history. This particular kind of crazy, anyway,
Think about how widespread and easily accessible guns were in the 1950’s. Now try and think of massacres like this that occurred back then. I could be wrong, but I don’t believe I am. [/quote]
I’ve been thinking the same thing. And this started with that shooting in the 60’s with the guy in the clock tower.
What was different about influences around him and the others that have followed since that weren’t around prior?
My heart goes out to those who are torn by their loss.
I will comtinue to take a personal interest in my neighbors and their children in the hope that
our society will be stronger through small acts of loving kindness.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Most of these shooters die but unless we get into the minds of these people there’s no real way to prevent this. He could easily have killed on armed security guard, or bought a gun illegally.[/quote]
Easily preventable by not selling semiautomatic rifles to civilians. And the only rifles should be sold to hunters which are not automatic either. Why does any civilian need to have a bushmaster assault-rifle? It’s meant for killing people not hunting.
If you are paranoid and need a gun for safety a handgun might do as well.
If you think ‘oh we needz ak47 cuz criminals have them’ well those criminals arent gonna attack with automatic rifles unless you are doing some really shady business.
All these schoolshootings are done by depressed twisted white male ‘non-criminals’ who dont plan to survive, and your gun stores sell the best tools for killing people. Wadap.
USA is pretty much the only ‘developed’ country in the world that has metaldetectors in schools. :<
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Most of these shooters die but unless we get into the minds of these people there’s no real way to prevent this. He could easily have killed on armed security guard, or bought a gun illegally.[/quote]
Easily preventable by not selling semiautomatic rifles to civilians. And the only rifles should be sold to hunters which are not automatic either. Why does any civilian need to have a bushmaster assault-rifle? It’s meant for killing people not hunting.
If you are paranoid and need a gun for safety a handgun might do as well.
If you think ‘oh we needz ak47 cuz criminals have them’ well those criminals arent gonna attack with automatic rifles unless you are doing some really shady business.
All these schoolshootings are done by depressed twisted white male ‘non-criminals’ who dont plan to survive, and your gun stores sell the best tools for killing people. Wadap.
USA is pretty much the only ‘developed’ country in the world that has metaldetectors in schools. :<[/quote]
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Let’s blame the music" - columbine shootings
let’s blame the video games
let’s blame the guns
“Everybody is wanting to know what music were the kids listening to, or what movies were they watching. Who gives a fuck what they was watching! Whatever happened to crazy? What, you can’t be crazy no more? Should we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?”[/quote]
Thing is, there seems to be a lot more “crazy” lately than there ever has been at any time I can think of throughout history. This particular kind of crazy, anyway,
Think about how widespread and easily accessible guns were in the 1950’s. Now try and think of massacres like this that occurred back then. I could be wrong, but I don’t believe I am. [/quote]
I’ve been thinking the same thing. And this started with that shooting in the 60’s with the guy in the clock tower.
What was different about influences around him and the others that have followed since that weren’t around prior?[/quote]
My personal conjecture is that we are becoming ever more alienated as individuals in a modern society saturated with the technology to allow such isolation. Most people are still stable and grounded enough that they can handle such isolation. Some, though, who might have been forced to interact a bit more and for whom it might have been just enough to keep them from completely falling into their own fantastical world, are not afforded that last needed bit of socialization, and this is what happens.
Someone earlier mentioned narcism, too. I think there are multiple other factors among which this is also one.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Most of these shooters die but unless we get into the minds of these people there’s no real way to prevent this. He could easily have killed on armed security guard, or bought a gun illegally.[/quote]
Easily preventable by not selling semiautomatic rifles to civilians. And the only rifles should be sold to hunters which are not automatic either. Why does any civilian need to have a bushmaster assault-rifle? It’s meant for killing people not hunting.
If you are paranoid and need a gun for safety a handgun might do as well.
If you think ‘oh we needz ak47 cuz criminals have them’ well those criminals arent gonna attack with automatic rifles unless you are doing some really shady business.
All these schoolshootings are done by depressed twisted white male ‘non-criminals’ who dont plan to survive, and your gun stores sell the best tools for killing people. Wadap.
USA is pretty much the only ‘developed’ country in the world that has metaldetectors in schools. :<[/quote]
I agree with you this would be the most logical explanation but it seems too simple.
While it seems these things tend to happen more in the U.S.A., I think there’s a huge bias in the media. The China stabbings haven’t been reported in mainstream press where I live. Same goes for the killings in Brazil last year (16 dead in a school).
These things also happen outside of the U.S., a couple of years ago in Belgium somebody stabbed & killed quite a lot of children in kindergarten. Not to mention Breivik…
As you can see these events also happen in countries with (repressive) and anti-gun governments.
Do they happen more in the U.S.A.? I am not a statistician but I highly doubt the difference is significant.
Guns might be an “enabling factor” for crazy people but saying they are the cause seems too simple. Obviously I have no clue where this violence is coming from. It’s not as if guns make you suddenly want to randomly kill children, they might make it easier but let’s be honest…there are plenty of ways to wreak havoc.
Off topic: Criminals do attack whether you’re doing shady business or not. If they’d only attack other criminals they would hardly be an issue.