School Shooting in Connecticut

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
What specific legislative measures would have prevented this tragedy from occuring?

[/quote]

Armed teachers.

Here are my observations:

  1. This is a tradgedy, but keep it in perspective. Your kid is much more likely to die from a falling big screen TV than being shot. I don’t see the media demanding big screen TV control. Gee, I wonder why?

  2. The USA has a crazy loner problem, not a gun problem.

If someone wants to kill people, they will find a way. I can go make an amonium nitrate bomb today and blow up a school, if I was so inclined. So can you. The root causes I see on this are the isolation of people due to a break down of the family unit AND, more importantly, since the Earl Warren Court, it’s basically impossible to lock up crazy people.

Yes, I know there is a sordid history in this country with sanitariums, but if done right, they are a great, safe, place. This is also the problem with homeless people, too, BTW.

  1. The attached picture is from Israel. It’s a school trip. The guys and lady with rifles are teachers.

You see, we have a much more common problem in Israel with sadly very sane people plotting to kill masses of Jewish children because their prophet told them we should be killed wherever we are found.

They use whatever is at hand — my wife was killed with a bomb; my daughters at about age 6 narrowly avoided being run over by a gentleman who just decided one day to drive along the sidewalk because it was filled with little Jewish girls. (He was gunned down by an off-duty IDF soldier with his sidearm.)

The world is a scary place. The USA has lived in a bubble for the better part of a century, but that bubble is popping. You need to get over the irrational fear of firearms because you are going to need them in the hands of sane, good, people.

[/quote]

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Damn Good Post[/quote]

Thank you, but I am going to be more explicit.

This shooting was done by an untrained 90 lb loser crazy fuck.

Don’t think for a second that Al Quada, Hamas, and the like haven’t studied this attack.

They are not stupid people.

The next 9/11 is going to be a 9-10 well-trained guys who come in to a school or several schools one day (or any of the other stupid “gun free” zones) and slaughter everyone.

All cops can do is file reports.

It is way past time to train civilians in schools, shopping malls, and the like to be the first line of defense, because that is where the spear is going to strike.

I am a victim of terrorism, and I ask. No, I implore you, to fucking wake up.[/quote]

Quite possibly of two of the dumbest post i’ve seen on here.

A few days after one young adult goes crazy and shoots up a classroom, you want to give teachers guns? Really? This is something you used your brain to think up? We have teachers fuckin students, in many areas specially urban teachers fighting students. Gangs everywhere and you want to put a ton of guns in school systems. Genius

To all the supporters of this in case you didn’t know THIS AIN’T MUTHAFUCKIN ISREAL.

And if you think it’s safer over there move, don’t turn America into a warzone.

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Man,

I’m not sure about questionnaires and paperwork being any sort of answer or tool to be used in extreme cases. A smart person with foresight is going to be wise enough to just reply with what the data analyzers would predict as “standard” and “normal” anyway.

When I was stationed with the Marine Corps we all had to fill out a “Pre-Deployment” survey to assess if we had any outlying issues or markers for mental instability. One of the questions was “do you see yourself capable of hurting yourself or others, if yes, why?”

Many of my Marines answered “yes” to this, and wrote in the comment section things like “I’m trained to drop bombs on the enemy, so of course I think of this often…”

Are those Marines fucked in the head and a risk to their fellow Marines and Sailors? No.

It was a bullshit question that was stolen from a psychology questionnaire probably for those being assessed or treated for depression and the like. It had no place on a pre-deployment survey. But yet there it was, and there we all were scratching our heads on how to really answer it truthfully. The survey data ended up bogging down our “work up” phase of the deployment because we had to send a bunch of these dudes off to get examined for behavior/developmental issues.

RnD… Quantifying numbers along a scale. Lean Six Sigma. Seven Habits of Highly Effective People… These are tools all meant for smart, reasonable, and educated people. Will these strategies ultimately shine a light on a process or a personality that knows how to work within the system and not get caught? Nossir.

I think that’s why this Newtown Event is so shudderingly sobering and real. Good intentioned affluent people aren’t the ones who can pick these sick and sideways individuals out of a stack of surveillance data.

Perhaps the thing that could be done is the Good Will Hunting tactic? Find a kid who’s had his issues and fits within the mold of character that could do something like Sandy Hook, employ him, give him purpose and a reason to plug back into society, and task him with cruising forums, social networks, weapon enthusiast, and counter culture websites to help shine a light on those that are troubled.

Ugh, that’s just straight spitballing and I apologize for the off the cuff reply, clearly it’s a fairly new and faceless enemy and we have plenty yet to learn.

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[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
How would you feel about instituting a psych test for people who want to purchase a weapon AS WELL as their family? Sort of like NATO clearance: You can’t get it unless you and your family are cleared. [/quote]

So you feel the need for an expensive pysch test to exercise a Constitutional right because .00001% of the gun owners are nuts? As has been aptly cited here, the LEAST likely person to have ever committed a crime in the USA is a legal gun owner.

Would you also apply this to free speech? Prove that the speaker is not nuts? Because words and ideas have killed far more people than loners with guns.[/quote]

Nope, I wouldn’t feel the need at all. Chances are the money alloted to those tests could probably be used to save more lives in the healthcare system than to prevent deaths in random shootings.

I was just wondering your take on the concept. What if the tests were easy and cheap, though not fool-proof? Though crimes are committed by legal gun owners, going through the legal paths to own a gun doesn’t necessarily make you a sane and well rounded/grounded person (at least in my opinion).

As far as the free speach comment, I don’t really know where to start with this. Words haven’t ever killed anybody (well…unless it involved giant speakers and very loud noises?) Interpretations and actions because of those words have killed people. This is a completely different argument and doesn’t really belong in this thread. [/quote]

I’m sure those tests would become politicized in no time.

Do you feel that people should be responsible for their own lives. (yes)

Do you feel that providing government assistance can cause more of the problem it is attempting to solve. (yes)

Do you believe that power should be held by individuals rather than concentrated in the hands of the State? (yes)

State your race: (white)

Test Result: Failed. Clearly a homicidal racist redneck right wing nutjob unfit to be trusted to possess firearms.

Sorry. No thanks.
[/quote]

Or what about a questionnaire which wasn’t made up on the fly and actually has some substance to it? I’m not trying to take your guns away from you Cortes.

@Jewbacca:
Is it really such a fantasy that such a psych test could be created? In your opinion, would it be a waste of funding if some RnD time were devoted to such a test/questionnaire?
[/quote]

Well, there are tests like that, used by psychiatrists and neuropsychologists to get better insight into patients… but they have to be used with the skill and discretion of people trained to understand the results and their implications. Even in a clinical setting, discovering that someone is actually capable of suicide or homicide or that they have a high degree of antisocial personality disorder or borderline personality disorder, none of that is anywhere near conclusive proof of anything.

I think as an observational tool and a filter, that profiling has its place at narrowing down the focus for surveillance and analysis. But not in the context of making decisions in someone’s life. Not everyone who has the word ‘bomb’ in their search results and online communication is a terrorist. Not every male loner with an interest in guns wants to shoot something up.

The biggest problem with any sort of standardized testing like that is that it opens up a lot of possibilities for indiscretion in the use of such information.

But, in all seriousness, a lot of this analysis and profiling goes on already. While obviously we don’t arrest people on the basis of “thought crimes”, the basic idea already happens. Just sometimes you have people who slip through the cracks.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Man,

I’m not sure about questionnaires and paperwork being any sort of answer or tool to be used in extreme cases. A smart person with foresight is going to be wise enough to just reply with what the data analyzers would predict as “standard” and “normal” anyway.

When I was stationed with the Marine Corps we all had to fill out a “Pre-Deployment” survey to assess if we had any outlying issues or markers for mental instability. One of the questions was “do you see yourself capable of hurting yourself or others, if yes, why?”

Many of my Marines answered “yes” to this, and wrote in the comment section things like “I’m trained to drop bombs on the enemy, so of course I think of this often…”

Are those Marines fucked in the head and a risk to their fellow Marines and Sailors? No.

It was a bullshit question that was stolen from a psychology questionnaire probably for those being assessed or treated for depression and the like. It had no place on a pre-deployment survey. But yet there it was, and there we all were scratching our heads on how to really answer it truthfully. The survey data ended up bogging down our “work up” phase of the deployment because we had to send a bunch of these dudes off to get examined for behavior/developmental issues.

RnD… Quantifying numbers along a scale. Lean Six Sigma. Seven Habits of Highly Effective People… These are tools all meant for smart, reasonable, and educated people. Will these strategies ultimately shine a light on a process or a personality that knows how to work within the system and not get caught? Nossir.

I think that’s why this Newtown Event is so shudderingly sobering and real. Good intentioned affluent people aren’t the ones who can pick these sick and sideways individuals out of a stack of surveillance data.

Perhaps the thing that could be done is the Good Will Hunting tactic? Find a kid who’s had his issues and fits within the mold of character that could do something like Sandy Hook, employ him, give him purpose and a reason to plug back into society, and task him with cruising forums, social networks, weapon enthusiast, and counter culture websites to help shine a light on those that are troubled.

Ugh, that’s just straight spitballing and I apologize for the off the cuff reply, clearly it’s a fairly new and faceless enemy and we have plenty yet to learn.[/quote]

No no, nothing wrong with your reply at all. You bring up some valid points. I was thinking along the lines of a test that is issued by the gun vendors and then submitted to some sort of testing center. But even as I type that it doesn’t make sense. What is stopping the vendor from looking at successful forms and then just telling people the answers, it would help them sell more guns afterall.

It was just a thought experiment rather than an attack on American rights. I figured the conversation could have used a new direction away from “Pro gun vs anti gun”.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

Well, there are tests like that, used by psychiatrists and neuropsychologists to get better insight into patients… but they have to be used with the skill and discretion of people trained to understand the results and their implications. Even in a clinical setting, discovering that someone is actually capable of suicide or homicide or that they have a high degree of antisocial personality disorder or borderline personality disorder, none of that is anywhere near conclusive proof of anything.

I think as an observational tool and a filter, that profiling has its place at narrowing down the focus for surveillance and analysis. But not in the context of making decisions in someone’s life. Not everyone who has the word ‘bomb’ in their search results and online communication is a terrorist. Not every male loner with an interest in guns wants to shoot something up.

The biggest problem with any sort of standardized testing like that is that it opens up a lot of possibilities for indiscretion in the use of such information.

But, in all seriousness, a lot of this analysis and profiling goes on already. While obviously we don’t arrest people on the basis of “thought crimes”, the basic idea already happens. Just sometimes you have people who slip through the cracks.[/quote]

All good points. Maybe i’ve been watching too much “Minority Report”…

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Find a kid who’s had his issues and fits within the mold of character that could do something like Sandy Hook, employ him, give him purpose and a reason to plug back into society[/quote]

You would have to get rid of his “loving, caring” and over possessive secretive mother, first.

How do we do that?

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Find a kid who’s had his issues and fits within the mold of character that could do something like Sandy Hook, employ him, give him purpose and a reason to plug back into society[/quote]

You would have to get rid of his “loving, caring” and over possessive secretive mother, first.

How do we do that?
[/quote]

No clue buddy, hence my apology for the off the cuff reply.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
What specific legislative measures would have prevented this tragedy from occuring?

[/quote]

Armed teachers.

Here are my observations:

  1. This is a tradgedy, but keep it in perspective. Your kid is much more likely to die from a falling big screen TV than being shot. I don’t see the media demanding big screen TV control. Gee, I wonder why?

  2. The USA has a crazy loner problem, not a gun problem.
    If someone wants to kill people, they will find a way. I can go make an amonium nitrate bomb today and blow up a school, if I was so inclined. So can you. The root causes I see on this are the isolation of people due to a break down of the family unit AND, more importantly, since the Earl Warren Court, it’s basically impossible to lock up crazy people.

Yes, I know there is a sordid history in this country with sanitariums, but if done right, they are a great, safe, place. This is also the problem with homeless people, too, BTW.

  1. The attached picture is from Israel. It’s a school trip. The guys and lady with rifles are teachers.

You see, we have a much more common problem in Israel with sadly very sane people plotting to kill masses of Jewish children because their prophet told them we should be killed wherever we are found.

They use whatever is at hand — my wife was killed with a bomb; my daughters at about age 6 narrowly avoided being run over by a gentleman who just decided one day to drive along the sidewalk because it was filled with little Jewish girls. (He was gunned down by an off-duty IDF soldier with his sidearm.)

The world is a scary place. The USA has lived in a bubble for the better part of a century, but that bubble is popping. You need to get over the irrational fear of firearms because you are going to need them in the hands of sane, good, people.

[/quote]

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Damn Good Post[/quote]
Thank you, but I am going to be more explicit.

This shooting was done by an untrained 90 lb loser crazy fuck.

Don’t think for a second that Al Quada, Hamas, and the like haven’t studied this attack.

They are not stupid people.

The next 9/11 is going to be a 9-10 well-trained guys who come in to a school or several schools one day (or any of the other stupid “gun free” zones) and slaughter everyone.

All cops can do is file reports.

It is way past time to train civilians in schools, shopping malls, and the like to be the first line of defense, because that is where the spear is going to strike.

I am a victim of terrorism, and I ask. No, I implore you, to fucking wake up.[/quote]

Quite possibly of two of the dumbest post i’ve seen on here.

A few days after one young adult goes crazy and shoots up a classroom, you want to give teachers guns? Really? This is something you used your brain to think up? We have teachers fuckin students, in many areas specially urban teachers fighting students. Gangs everywhere and you want to put a ton of guns in school systems. Genius

To all the supporters of this in case you didn’t know THIS AIN’T MUTHAFUCKIN ISREAL.

And if you think it’s safer over there move, don’t turn America into a warzone.[/quote]

The fantasy is everyone walking around thinking the Police are Magical Beings who will beam in to save the day when Danger arise.

When someone decides to go ape shit crazy and kill innocents they pic the group with the weakest possible chance to respond.

Google up all the mass shootings, All gun free Zones.

As crazy as we claim these dumb ass Pussy fame in death seekers to be they know enough not to shoot up police stations, because they know that shit would not end well.

Honest citizens will obey the stupid laws and the criminals will continue to take advantage.

So everyone can sit back pray and beg for a Law that will protect us all and the cycle will continue.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Find a kid who’s had his issues and fits within the mold of character that could do something like Sandy Hook, employ him, give him purpose and a reason to plug back into society[/quote]

You would have to get rid of his “loving, caring” and over possessive secretive mother, first.

How do we do that?
[/quote]

No clue buddy, hence my apology for the off the cuff reply.[/quote]

No need to apologize.

Your idea was great but the problem is twofold.
And if anything, a mother who is in denial of her child’s condition is the main problem because she will continue to over protect and enable him.

The news report that he was not even diagnosed.

Have to wait for full details of her relationship with him if it ever transpires but from the likes of it she was so hands on of a solo and exclusive nurturer of him she might as well have just reattached the umbilical cord.

Even if we did have rehab clinics or community mental health centers for people like him, there will be the hurdle of convincing their mothers to “give them up”.

It is like an addiction.
She would probably have to be treated as well if not first.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Find a kid who’s had his issues and fits within the mold of character that could do something like Sandy Hook, employ him, give him purpose and a reason to plug back into society[/quote]

You would have to get rid of his “loving, caring” and over possessive secretive mother, first.

How do we do that?
[/quote]

No clue buddy, hence my apology for the off the cuff reply.[/quote]

No need to apologize.

Your idea was great but the problem is twofold.
And if anything, a mother who is in denial of her child’s condition is the main problem because she will continue to over protect and enable him.

The news report that he was not even diagnosed.

Have to wait for full details of her relationship with him if it ever transpires but from the likes of it she was so hands on of a solo and exclusive nurturer of him she might as well have just reattached the umbilical cord.

Even if we did have rehab clinics or community mental health centers for people like him, there will be the hurdle of convincing their mothers to “give them up”.

It is like an addiction.
She would probably have to be treated as well if not first.

[/quote]

I see what you’re saying and agree.

Also too, the Dad is just as responsible.

It’s going to take a male leader of some sorts to come out and remind American fathers that they are FATHERS and need to be bringing up their kids. Too many moms have too much responsibility in that regard, and I believe the Dads’ need to have influence on the upbringing of their own kids.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
What specific legislative measures would have prevented this tragedy from occuring?

[/quote]

Armed teachers.

Here are my observations:

  1. This is a tradgedy, but keep it in perspective. Your kid is much more likely to die from a falling big screen TV than being shot. I don’t see the media demanding big screen TV control. Gee, I wonder why?

  2. The USA has a crazy loner problem, not a gun problem.
    If someone wants to kill people, they will find a way. I can go make an amonium nitrate bomb today and blow up a school, if I was so inclined. So can you. The root causes I see on this are the isolation of people due to a break down of the family unit AND, more importantly, since the Earl Warren Court, it’s basically impossible to lock up crazy people.

Yes, I know there is a sordid history in this country with sanitariums, but if done right, they are a great, safe, place. This is also the problem with homeless people, too, BTW.

  1. The attached picture is from Israel. It’s a school trip. The guys and lady with rifles are teachers.

You see, we have a much more common problem in Israel with sadly very sane people plotting to kill masses of Jewish children because their prophet told them we should be killed wherever we are found.

They use whatever is at hand — my wife was killed with a bomb; my daughters at about age 6 narrowly avoided being run over by a gentleman who just decided one day to drive along the sidewalk because it was filled with little Jewish girls. (He was gunned down by an off-duty IDF soldier with his sidearm.)

The world is a scary place. The USA has lived in a bubble for the better part of a century, but that bubble is popping. You need to get over the irrational fear of firearms because you are going to need them in the hands of sane, good, people.

[/quote]

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Damn Good Post[/quote]
Thank you, but I am going to be more explicit.

This shooting was done by an untrained 90 lb loser crazy fuck.

Don’t think for a second that Al Quada, Hamas, and the like haven’t studied this attack.

They are not stupid people.

The next 9/11 is going to be a 9-10 well-trained guys who come in to a school or several schools one day (or any of the other stupid “gun free” zones) and slaughter everyone.

All cops can do is file reports.

It is way past time to train civilians in schools, shopping malls, and the like to be the first line of defense, because that is where the spear is going to strike.

I am a victim of terrorism, and I ask. No, I implore you, to fucking wake up.[/quote]

Quite possibly of two of the dumbest post i’ve seen on here.

A few days after one young adult goes crazy and shoots up a classroom, you want to give teachers guns? Really? This is something you used your brain to think up? We have teachers fuckin students, in many areas specially urban teachers fighting students. Gangs everywhere and you want to put a ton of guns in school systems. Genius

To all the supporters of this in case you didn’t know THIS AIN’T MUTHAFUCKIN ISREAL.

And if you think it’s safer over there move, don’t turn America into a warzone.[/quote]

The fantasy is everyone walking around thinking the Police are Magical Beings who will beam in to save the day when Danger arise.

When someone decides to go ape shit crazy and kill innocents they pic the group with the weakest possible chance to respond.

Google up all the mass shootings, All gun free Zones.

As crazy as we claim these dumb ass Pussy fame in death seekers to be they know enough not to shoot up police stations, because they know that shit would not end well.

Honest citizens will obey the stupid laws and the criminals will continue to take advantage.

So everyone can sit back pray and beg for a Law that will protect us all and the cycle will continue.
[/quote]

Great post Four60!

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

To all the supporters of this in case you didn’t know THIS AIN’T MUTHAFUCKIN ISREAL.

[/quote]

Not yet.

I tend to agree with you that such measures are not needed, yet, because the dangers of mass shootings are grossly overblown.

But I do agree that terrorists will copy this stuff in a much more effective manner than the random loser, so it’s best to start preparing — and part of that preparing will be getting back to the idea that guns are OK.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

When someone decides to go ape shit crazy and kill innocents they pic the group with the weakest possible chance to respond.

[/quote]

The CO batman movie shooter had four theaters to pick from.

He chose the only one that was “gun free.” (All the others permitted CCW.)

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
When she says “worst off” she means those with the lowest socio-economic status.

[/quote]

A myth. Combat arms soldiers are overwhelmingly white and middle or upper class.

(Soldiers, in general, are middle to lower, but combat soliders are upper/middle. Remember 3/4 of soldiers are REMFs.)

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

Also too, the Dad is just as responsible.

It’s going to take a male leader of some sorts to come out and remind American fathers that they are FATHERS and need to be bringing up their kids. Too many moms have too much responsibility in that regard, and I believe the Dads’ need to have influence on the upbringing of their own kids.

[/quote]

I agree 100%!

That is why I suspect her being so “addicted” to the ill child.

He probably tried to and she would not allow him: The image of being a “loving, caring mother and there was nothing she would not do for him” would make the father look like the bad guy if he tried to break the boy free from her overbearing nurturing.

The role of the father is to allow the child to break free from the nurturing arms of the mother and give them confidence to stand on their own two feet in the world without “mommy” protectively cuddling them.

A male child specially will resent a mother who does that because she turns him into a useless member of society: He is in effect nothing without her.
For her, that ensures she will always have a man by her side.

Really sick and twisted.

But I could be wrong. Maybe she was just in denial.

The father was the first one who could have stopped her. Who knows if that wasn’t the main reason for divorce: He gave up.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
What specific legislative measures would have prevented this tragedy from occuring?

[/quote]

Armed teachers.

Here are my observations:

  1. This is a tradgedy, but keep it in perspective. Your kid is much more likely to die from a falling big screen TV than being shot. I don’t see the media demanding big screen TV control. Gee, I wonder why?

  2. The USA has a crazy loner problem, not a gun problem.
    If someone wants to kill people, they will find a way. I can go make an amonium nitrate bomb today and blow up a school, if I was so inclined. So can you. The root causes I see on this are the isolation of people due to a break down of the family unit AND, more importantly, since the Earl Warren Court, it’s basically impossible to lock up crazy people.

Yes, I know there is a sordid history in this country with sanitariums, but if done right, they are a great, safe, place. This is also the problem with homeless people, too, BTW.

  1. The attached picture is from Israel. It’s a school trip. The guys and lady with rifles are teachers.

You see, we have a much more common problem in Israel with sadly very sane people plotting to kill masses of Jewish children because their prophet told them we should be killed wherever we are found.

They use whatever is at hand — my wife was killed with a bomb; my daughters at about age 6 narrowly avoided being run over by a gentleman who just decided one day to drive along the sidewalk because it was filled with little Jewish girls. (He was gunned down by an off-duty IDF soldier with his sidearm.)

The world is a scary place. The USA has lived in a bubble for the better part of a century, but that bubble is popping. You need to get over the irrational fear of firearms because you are going to need them in the hands of sane, good, people.

[/quote]

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Damn Good Post[/quote]
Thank you, but I am going to be more explicit.

This shooting was done by an untrained 90 lb loser crazy fuck.

Don’t think for a second that Al Quada, Hamas, and the like haven’t studied this attack.

They are not stupid people.

The next 9/11 is going to be a 9-10 well-trained guys who come in to a school or several schools one day (or any of the other stupid “gun free” zones) and slaughter everyone.

All cops can do is file reports.

It is way past time to train civilians in schools, shopping malls, and the like to be the first line of defense, because that is where the spear is going to strike.

I am a victim of terrorism, and I ask. No, I implore you, to fucking wake up.[/quote]

Quite possibly of two of the dumbest post i’ve seen on here.

A few days after one young adult goes crazy and shoots up a classroom, you want to give teachers guns? Really? This is something you used your brain to think up? We have teachers fuckin students, in many areas specially urban teachers fighting students. Gangs everywhere and you want to put a ton of guns in school systems. Genius

To all the supporters of this in case you didn’t know THIS AIN’T MUTHAFUCKIN ISREAL.

And if you think it’s safer over there move, don’t turn America into a warzone.[/quote]

The fantasy is everyone walking around thinking the Police are Magical Beings who will beam in to save the day when Danger arise.

When someone decides to go ape shit crazy and kill innocents they pic the group with the weakest possible chance to respond.

Google up all the mass shootings, All gun free Zones.

As crazy as we claim these dumb ass Pussy fame in death seekers to be they know enough not to shoot up police stations, because they know that shit would not end well.

Honest citizens will obey the stupid laws and the criminals will continue to take advantage.

So everyone can sit back pray and beg for a Law that will protect us all and the cycle will continue.
[/quote]

This happens more at police stations and gun stores then at schools(it’s just so regular that you don’t hear about them). Even happened a few times at gun ranges. So if your second statement is wrong then your first is too?

The difference is yes maybe only one or two people die, however it happens far more frequently so while this mass killed 20. There would possibly be 100s across the country. Because an environment of peace is turned into an environment of fear and violence. Would you prefer it turn into something that happens so regularly that when a kid gets shot it doesn’t even make the news?

I actually had friends attempt to rob a gun store at 17. They were not labeled insane. I guarantee you in the school I grew up in more then one kid a year would make an attempt to steal a teachers gun if they had them, and I grew up in a relatively tame suburb.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
This happens more at police stations and gun stores then at schools(it’s just so regular that you don’t hear about them).

[/quote]

You mean criminals are in police stations and ciminals try to rob gun stores? Wow, so observant.

Has nothing to do with mass shooting at schools where there isn’t a bunch of stuff worth stealing or (except I guess your school) lots of criminals awaiting processing, though.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
What specific legislative measures would have prevented this tragedy from occuring?

[/quote]

Armed teachers.

Here are my observations:

  1. This is a tradgedy, but keep it in perspective. Your kid is much more likely to die from a falling big screen TV than being shot. I don’t see the media demanding big screen TV control. Gee, I wonder why?

  2. The USA has a crazy loner problem, not a gun problem.
    If someone wants to kill people, they will find a way. I can go make an amonium nitrate bomb today and blow up a school, if I was so inclined. So can you. The root causes I see on this are the isolation of people due to a break down of the family unit AND, more importantly, since the Earl Warren Court, it’s basically impossible to lock up crazy people.

Yes, I know there is a sordid history in this country with sanitariums, but if done right, they are a great, safe, place. This is also the problem with homeless
people, too, BTW.

  1. The attached picture is from Israel. It’s a school trip. The guys and lady with rifles are teachers.

You see, we have a much more common problem in Israel with sadly very sane people plotting to kill masses of Jewish children because their prophet told them we should be killed wherever we are found.

They use whatever is at hand — my wife was killed with a bomb; my daughters at about age 6 narrowly avoided being run over by a gentleman who just
decided one day to drive along the sidewalk because it was filled with little Jewish girls. (He was gunned down by an off-duty IDF soldier with his sidearm.)

The world is a scary place. The USA has lived in a bubble for the better part of a century, but that bubble is popping. You need to get over the irrational fear of firearms because you are going to need them in the hands of sane, good, people.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Damn Good Post[/quote]
Thank you, but I am going to be more explicit.

This shooting was done by an untrained 90 lb loser crazy fuck.

Don’t think for a second that Al Quada, Hamas, and the like haven’t studied this attack.

They are not stupid people.

The next 9/11 is going to be a 9-10 well-trained guys who come in to a school or several schools one day (or any of the other stupid “gun free” zones) and slaughter everyone.

All cops can do is file reports.

It is way past time to train civilians in schools, shopping malls, and the like to be the first line of defense, because that is where the spear is going to strike.

I am a victim of terrorism, and I ask. No, I implore you, to fucking wake up.[/quote]

Quite possibly of two of the dumbest post i’ve seen on here.

A few days after one young adult goes crazy and shoots up a classroom, you want to give teachers guns? Really? This is something you used your brain to think up? We have teachers fuckin students, in many areas specially urban teachers fighting students. Gangs everywhere and you want to put a ton of guns
in school systems. Genius

To all the supporters of this in case you didn’t know THIS AIN’T MUTHAFUCKIN ISREAL.

And if you think it’s safer over there move, don’t turn America into a warzone.[/quote]
The fantasy is everyone walking around thinking the Police are Magical Beings who will beam in to save the day when Danger arise.

When someone decides to go ape shit crazy and kill innocents they pic the group with the weakest possible chance to respond.

Google up all the mass shootings, All gun free Zones.

As crazy as we claim these dumb ass Pussy fame in death seekers to be they know enough not to shoot up police stations, because they know that shit
would not end well.

Honest citizens will obey the stupid laws and the criminals will continue to take advantage.

So everyone can sit back pray and beg for a Law that will protect us all and the cycle will continue.
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This happens more at police stations and gun stores then at schools(it’s just so regular that you don’t hear about them). Even happened a few times at gun ranges. So if your second statement is wrong then your first is too?

The difference is yes maybe only one or two people die, however it happens far more frequently so while this mass killed 20. There would possibly be 100s across the country. Because an environment of peace is turned into an environment of fear and violence. Would you prefer it turn into something that happens so regularly that when a kid gets shot it doesn’t even make the news?

I actually had friends attempt to rob a gun store at 17. They were not labeled insane. I guarantee you in the school I grew up in more then one kid a year would make an attempt to steal a teachers gun if they had them, and I grew up in a relatively tame suburb.
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Im not sure if your first comment was a statement or some internet fact you picked up. But let’s say your facts are true and Many Gun shows/store and Precients get shot up. The reason it’s not news is because if that does ever happen the shooter gets shut down before any damage could happen. If you think for a Minute Fox, CNN and MNBC wouldn’t jump on a story to prove that even the “gun lovers” are not safe. Then you have to much faith in the Cable News Networks.

I would rather our learning institutions become safe havens for young minds and old scholars with Maybe reserve military units patrolling and less a party scene and a open range for the next nut job looking for a easy target

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Find a kid who’s had his issues and fits within the mold of character that could do something like Sandy Hook, employ him, give him purpose and a reason to plug back into society[/quote]

You would have to get rid of his “loving, caring” and over possessive secretive mother, first.

How do we do that?
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No clue buddy, hence my apology for the off the cuff reply.[/quote]

No need to apologize.

Your idea was great but the problem is twofold.
And if anything, a mother who is in denial of her child’s condition is the main problem because she will continue to over protect and enable him.

The news report that he was not even diagnosed.

Have to wait for full details of her relationship with him if it ever transpires but from the likes of it she was so hands on of a solo and exclusive nurturer of him she might as well have just reattached the umbilical cord.

Even if we did have rehab clinics or community mental health centers for people like him, there will be the hurdle of convincing their mothers to “give them up”.

It is like an addiction.
She would probably have to be treated as well if not first.

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I see what you’re saying and agree.

Also too, the Dad is just as responsible.

It’s going to take a male leader of some sorts to come out and remind American fathers that they are FATHERS and need to be bringing up their kids. Too many moms have too much responsibility in that regard, and I believe the Dads’ need to have influence on the upbringing of their own kids.

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I’m afraid the misandry bubble will have to pop before that becomes possible at a national scale.

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A sportsman’s club by were I live (trap and skeet shooting) got robbed at gun point a few years back. I say “robbed” but really more of an attempted robbery. The robber lasted about 30 seconds before one of the patrons dropped him with with some 12-gauge bird shot.