[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Here’s an embed for the lazy-asses.
I don’t have much conviction one way or another about gun control so while watching this vid I was just thinking “wow, this woman would make a really great actress”.[/quote]
I’ve seen it probably ten times and every time I am blown away at what a powerful speaker she is.
Btw, what’d I tell you would happen with that other thread?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I read the first page and then skipped the the last few pages to see if gun crazies were out.
I was not disappointed.
Spitting on the the graves of children? Stay classy guys.[/quote]
Funny, I was under the impression that opportunistically capitalizing upon the death of children to force unconstitutional laws onto society was the less “classy” act.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I read the first page and then skipped the the last few pages to see if gun crazies were out.
I was not disappointed.
Spitting on the the graves of children? Stay classy guys.[/quote]
Funny, I was under the impression that opportunistically capitalizing upon the death of children to force unconstitutional laws onto society was the less “classy” act. [/quote]
It’s disappointing that you see it as opportunistic rather than as a final straw bringing a call to action. The problem of mass shootings is getting worse not better and needs to be addressed.
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[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I read the first page and then skipped the the last few pages to see if gun crazies were out.
I was not disappointed.
Spitting on the the graves of children? Stay classy guys.[/quote]
Funny, I was under the impression that opportunistically capitalizing upon the death of children to force unconstitutional laws onto society was the less “classy” act. [/quote]
Dem Lawmaker: Obama Must ‘Exploit’ School Shooting To Get Gun Control
Yeah, a real class act.
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I read the first page and then skipped the the last few pages to see if gun crazies were out.
I was not disappointed.
Spitting on the the graves of children? Stay classy guys.[/quote]
Funny, I was under the impression that opportunistically capitalizing upon the death of children to force unconstitutional laws onto society was the less “classy” act. [/quote]
It’s disappointing that you see it as opportunistic rather than as a final straw bringing a call to action. The problem of mass shootings is getting worse not better and needs to be addressed.[/quote]
Don’t be obtuse. Have you not read anything else that I’ve posted in this entire thread?
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
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Your not being here will help me to fulfill that resolution, as well. Thanks!
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I read the first page and then skipped the the last few pages to see if gun crazies were out.
I was not disappointed.
Spitting on the the graves of children? Stay classy guys.[/quote]
Funny, I was under the impression that opportunistically capitalizing upon the death of children to force unconstitutional laws onto society was the less “classy” act. [/quote]
It’s disappointing that you see it as opportunistic rather than as a final straw bringing a call to action. The problem of mass shootings is getting worse not better and needs to be addressed.[/quote]
Don’t be obtuse. Have you not read anything else that I’ve posted in this entire thread? [/quote]
Nothing that you have said stands out, could you be more specific?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
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Your not being here will help me to fulfill that resolution, as well. Thanks![/quote]
The fact that you think this was about you speaks volumes…but what do I know, I’m just a DC resident LOL
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I read the first page and then skipped the the last few pages to see if gun crazies were out.
I was not disappointed.
Spitting on the the graves of children? Stay classy guys.[/quote]
Talking about guns is now “spitting on graves of children”? You’re not going to instill much guilt with that much of a stretch.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Any info on the shooter? A student? Teacher? Teacher’s aide/volunteer?[/quote]
I’d bet my fucking ass it’s a middle-aged white guy with extreme right-wing political views.[/quote]
That’s funny, you should read more though. These are for the most part left leaning nuttjobs, who have some history of drug use and are anti-social. They also want to punish an America they believe to be the reason for the world’s problems. That’s in line with Obama bowing and apologizing to world leaders for America’s sins. But some like Jared Loughner (pictured above) was a registered independent who wanted to meet Arizona representative “Gabby” Giffords.
In the immediate aftermath of the Giffords shooting, liberals sought to paint Loughner as an anti-government, tea party conservative. Conservatives retorted that Loughner lacked anything close to a coherent political philosophy - a case strengthened by subsequent glimpses into his personal life that suggests someone struggling with mental illness.
Loughner’s decision to affiliate as an independent rather than a Republican or Democrat would seem to affirm the sense that while he targeted Giffords in the attack, it was not a decision born of a set of deeply held political beliefs that fit neatly into either party.
The middle aged right leaning white guys are usually the few that attempt to assassinate abortion doctors.
They all have one thing in common. They are twisted nuttjobs that need to have registration and some manner of control same as we have for guns.
[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
[quote]NikH wrote:
Yeah thats fucking stupid logic. “what if you get your hands on atombomb”. The fact is if a guy goes nuts he grabs what ever he can to do most destruction.[/quote]
I agree with this. It all comes down to the proximity and availability of a weapon.
Imagine 2 men fighting in an empty room. All they could do is punch and kick each other. Now imagine there is a knife or gun on a table. Obviously as things escalate someone could end up being stabbed or shot.
Having to source a gun off the black market would take knowledge, time and premeditation, but coming home after having a bad day knowing your mum has one in her dresser drawer is a different story. The availability increases the likelihood of use.
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What if the mum (or person of proximity) bought it off the black market? Do you assume black market shoppers don’t associate with anyone who could snap?
These are not the church going, pro USA tea party members that go to lots of rallies and Washington DC vacations. These are the anti-Americans, that want the United States to fall on it’s face and collapse.
The reason for mass shootings of people they do not know signifies the need to punish for their culpable “American behavior” that is similar to anti-USA terrorists. They certainly are not right leaning pro gun, pro God, pro American citizens.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/batman-shooter-was-psychiatric-patient-248582
I don’t post often(not sure I ever have?), but this post talking about preventing these things caught my eye:
"Easily preventable by not selling semiautomatic rifles to civilians. And the only rifles should be sold to hunters which are not automatic either. Why does any civilian need to have a bushmaster assault-rifle? It’s meant for killing people not hunting.
If you are paranoid and need a gun for safety a handgun might do as well.
If you think ‘oh we needz ak47 cuz criminals have them’ well those criminals arent gonna attack with automatic rifles unless you are doing some really shady business.
All these schoolshootings are done by depressed twisted white male ‘non-criminals’ who dont plan to survive, and your gun stores sell the best tools for killing people. Wadap.
USA is pretty much the only ‘developed’ country in the world that has metaldetectors in schools. :< "
My answer to this(at least the only answer that may appeal to someone who obviously has no respect for freedom-though someone who doesn’t respect freedom may believe that government’s decisions are beyond question) is that civilians need a way to ensure mass murder doesn’t become government sponsored. I think it’s safe to say that the majority of Hitler’s and Stalin’s victims did not have a way to protect themselves from their governments. The most important reason for “civilian” gun ownership is defense from the government. I would argue that civilians should be allowed to own any weapon the government possesses.
The argument that hunting is the only justification for gun ownership is weak. After all, how can we justify hunting? Could government owned farms not supply us with food?
The statement, “If you think ‘oh we needz ak47 cuz criminals have them’ well those criminals arent gonna attack with automatic rifles unless you are doing some really shady business,” is also ridiculous. Ownership of automatic rifles is already restricted, but I’m going to assume you were talking about semi-automatic rifles since that is what was mentioned in the first line of the post. What kind of shady business were the kindergarteners involved in? How about the Aurora moviegoers?
I haven’t got through all the posts in this thread yet, but I did see someone call the shooter a pussy. I think that is what needs to be done. Instead of painting these loons as dangerous men or excusing their behavior because they’re “crazy”, these people should be called the same names in death that they were in life. It seems the media tries to make these guys into victims. I think these pieces of shit do these things in order to leave a legacy different than they would have otherwise. Look at pictures of the guy that killed these kids. Think he was a pussy magnet, top athlete, or tough guy in high school? I think the way to treat these people is to continue to point out their inadequacies, or completely ignore them. We certainly shouldn’t let these powerless cocksuckers influence laws(do you think the next would-be shooter-who’s getting stuffed in his locker or completely ignored-wouldn’t get a kick out of his superior classmates’ rights being taken away due to his actions?). These kids probably sit in their rooms jacking it to the thought of having that kind of power over people, don’t give them a reason to believe they will ever have that power.
I’m not sure if the shooter was using prescription drugs, but I suspect he was. If a scapegoat is needed, I think that’s a good one. Another good one would be piss poor parenting, as I’m sure that is always a contributing factor to these freaks’ behavior.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
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Your not being here will help me to fulfill that resolution, as well. Thanks![/quote]
The fact that you think this was about you speaks volumes…but what do I know, I’m just a DC resident LOL[/quote]
You’re engaging me, so I guess you don’t think I am an idiot. Or are you breaking your New Year’s Resolution faster than Rosie O’Donnell doesn’t go to Planet Fitness on January 1st?
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I read the first page and then skipped the the last few pages to see if gun crazies were out.
I was not disappointed.
Spitting on the the graves of children? Stay classy guys.[/quote]
Funny, I was under the impression that opportunistically capitalizing upon the death of children to force unconstitutional laws onto society was the less “classy” act. [/quote]
It’s disappointing that you see it as opportunistic rather than as a final straw bringing a call to action. The problem of mass shootings is getting worse not better and needs to be addressed.[/quote]
Don’t be obtuse. Have you not read anything else that I’ve posted in this entire thread? [/quote]
Nothing that you have said stands out, could you be more specific?
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You took issue with my point, which was really just a snarky response to Mak’s troll, but you had nothing to say about his post. By that, I believe I can safely assume that you expect us NOT to reduce your stance to selfish opportunism, but it’s perfectly fine to do that with ours.
It’s transparent hypocrisy.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
And yet Britain had 551 homicides and over 400 attempted homicides in November of this year alone. Yep, sure looks like your gun laws kept people from killing each other.
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You have read the statistics incorrectly. That is 551 for the FULL YEAR (you misread the date 2011/2012 as it was not calculated over a calendar year). How does this compare with Chicago? Even 1 a year is too many regardless of city, country or planet.
I have seen more than 40 countries (worked in 13 of them) and I can tell you that having police in schools is something I have only seen in America. Did I see it in Lagos? No, Did I see it in Caracas? No. etc. Police in schools is a symptom of a problem rather than the solution. Why do you need police in schools? Solve ‘that or those’ problems.
They have lots of guns in Canada but don’t have the murder rates of the USA, so it is not just the availability of guns. Something drastic needs to change for the safety of the innocent and I shall leave the solution finding to people much smarter than me (I just like to train with heavy objects and that does not qualify me). For the children, it must be worth trying.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I read the first page and then skipped the the last few pages to see if gun crazies were out.
I was not disappointed.
Spitting on the the graves of children? Stay classy guys.[/quote]
Funny, I was under the impression that opportunistically capitalizing upon the death of children to force unconstitutional laws onto society was the less “classy” act. [/quote]
I wonder how much damage the guy would have done with just a pistol.
Interesting that you think I’m trolling.
I don’t see why some of you pro-gun people need to be so aggressive about the issue. It’s typically not a good sign whenever people get emotional/aggressive/defensive during an argumentation since it typically clouds their judgement.
I see that on this board a lot. Not sure if it’s just a sign of a lack of intelligence, lack of maturity, or a mixture of both, but it always makes a reasonable discussion impossible.
Clever people very rarely speak in absolutes, accept contradictory evidence, and are NOT dogmatic about their beliefs. You should try it for a change.
~end rant~