An assassination attempt against a Republican by a Bernie supporter is pretty partisan. Do you really think there would be calls for unity by Democrats if it was the other way around? I wouldn’t have said this two years ago, but I don’t. I’ve bent over backwards to be reasonable, and I’ve seen my few Republican friends do that same, in the face of an onslaught of fiery rhetoric and anger from people I once called friends and colleagues. Trump isn’t “just like Hitler,” we aren’t fascists or racists, and yet that is exactly the portrayal at the highest levels. Conservatives and Republicabs can’t even safely talk on college campuses anymore. This is different and it is terrifying.
I didn’t mean to ignore any of your posts H. And I thought I answered the post already in other posts. But I will do it again if you like.
Yes, the far left is more dangerous right now than any part of any other party. We have seen proof over and over again. Latest case is just the worst. A Bernie Sanders worker shooting republican Congressmen. Just scroll up for my many other examples. That doesn’t mean that I think the typical democrat is violent and I never said such a thing. But the democrat party is now filled with far left wing nut jobs. The Chairman of the party has a difficult time giving a speech without using profanity. When did that start? And where does that lead? Lance Preibus didn’t start it.
We are getting off course. My only point is that the far left has dragged the political discourse directly into the toilet. That does not reflect on you personally and I hope you don’t take it that way.
This point concerned resistance movements, not violence.
And part of the reason the Tea Party didn’t riot is they were too old. It’s hard to throw a brick when you’re holding on to a walker. Anyway, there were Matlock reruns to watch, so they were also too busy. 
Clearly, something ‘pushed him over the edge.’ Where we disagree concerns your suggestion that that something consisted of rhetoric from mainstream lefties.
Hollywood is mos def not “out in full force talking about doing violence to the President.” The few celebrities who have intimated violence against the POTUS have apologized–and in Kathy Griffin’s case, basically been ostracized. I would also point out that Madonna’s comments were taken out of context, but she issued a denunciation of violence the next day anyway.
Here is what she said:
“Yes, I’m angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House,” Madonna said. “But I know that this won’t change anything. We cannot fall into despair.” [emphasis mine]
The next day she said:
“I am not a violent person, I do not promote violence and it’s important people hear and understand my speech in its entirety rather than one phrase taken wildly out of context,” she wrote. “My speech began with ‘I want to start a revolution of love’.”
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/23/entertainment/madonna-white-house/
Let’s see…We’ve heard from Madonna; we’ve heard from Kathy Griffin. Who else is there?
Ted seems to be doing fine so far as the Secret Service is concerned:
Also, Madonna and Griffin drew the attention of the Secret Service as well:
It may have started when the Republican leader said the only goal is to make Obama a one term President. Not work with but to obstruct at every level. This is the playbook the Democrats are following and it is horrible. But it started in 08.
Maybe it started when Trump began his campaign by calling immigrants from Mexico rapists?
Why don’t we compare these words from the current President of the United States to Obama or Clinton?
You don’t think Donald Trump played a massive role in inciting this rhetoric? He basically campaigned on it. And that’s just from March 2016. You can find more examples past that.
But, the point IS violence, not resistance movements. And while we are on the topic there has never been a modern day republican that has joined such a movement. Now what is it that Hillary is doing? Do you think she is helping to calm the hate filled rhetoric?
HAHAHA HOOO HEE …I am seriously cracking up no I mean it. You are funny and should do more of it we can use that around here. Ha thanks.
I watched that tape a few times and I have to disagree with you.
Take a good look ED. Plenty of talk of doing violence and other hate filled speech. You must know that Hollywood is unhinged over Trump beating Hillary.
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It may have started when the Republican leader said the only goal is to make Obama a one term President. Not work with but to obstruct at every level. This is the playbook the Democrats are following and it is horrible. But it started in 08. [/quote]
H, that IS politics. Currently Democrats are obstructions. When Obama was President republicans were obstructionists. Two different philosophies…they disagree. That has nothing to do with inciting violence. I am sure you know this.
Oh H, that is an old one and has been debunked many times. I cannot recall word for word but it went something like this: “They are not sending us their best people they’re sending rapists some are good people bla bla bla” . He really knows how to fracture a sentence. But that was blown out of proportion by the left. And by the way even if he did say every single Mexican that comes over is a rapist does that give the left reason to commit violent acts? Where are you going with this?
Nice talking with you H and ED. I have to go train like a maniac now. Have fun talk to you guys later.
Simple. Compare the words that have come out of Trump’s mouth directly in regards to violence and compare them with Obama and Clinton. You conveniently ignored that part. No President in the past 30 years has talked like that.
No big deal. Just a member of Trump’s own party partially blaming him.
You can talk about celebrities all you guys want. Going to be hard to top calls for violence from the sitting President of the United States.
Try to remember, the Republicans don’t actually have power at the moment. All the power they have is overshadowed and then some by the Dems control of the MSM. That’s why Republicans have shit the bed at every turn, they’re still playing from behind the 8 ball.
What presidents say or don’t say isn’t nearly as important as who “controls” the media.
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No modern-day Republicans ‘joined’ the Tea Party?
Who knows? Who cares? Anyway, there is hate-filled rhetoric on both sides.
We’re not talking about celebrities who don’t like Trump; we’re talking about celebrities who have suggested, supported or encouraged violence against him (or other Republicans). I sincerely don’t know of any (other than the ones we’ve discussed). If you do, please list them.
Fortunately, I had lunch with a liberal buddy of mine today and all the world’s problems have now been solved. While we failed to reach compromises on healthcare, immigration, NATO, taxes, crime, poverty programs, and gun violence, we did agree on the same craft beer and the necessity for deadlifts. There is hope.
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I agree and nothing that Trump has said has deserved what he has received in return. And as I have already stated I think Trump is a bragger and a big mouth. But, no President deserves the kind of treatment and vile violent words that have been directed at him by the media, Hollywood and the far left.
My gosh ED I know you are busy improving eyesight in your area but take a look at all of the quotes. From De Niro wanting to punch him to Madonna wanting to blow him up and the many others which I was actually unaware of until I googled it. Trump is one very hated President. And those words without question imo helped push that nut case to fire on our republican congressmen.
I’ve been saying since election season that the world would be a better place if everyone just shut up and did more deadlifts.
There is hope, indeed.
#AcrossTheAisle
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Glad you agree. So keep in mind while you vilify the left that Republicans elected the person who talked like that. They drank it up. The precedent has been set by them now. You can talk about violence while campaigning. You can say disgusting things about women while campaigning. You can find an ugly picture of your opponents wife and tweet it out. None of these things disqualifies you from winning the Republican nomination. All of them combined? Nah you can still beat like 15 people while doing that. They are completely ok with it
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Let’s everyone calm down a bit. These discussions often happen in a vacuum where it seems like posters think that their favorite villain (Trump/Obama) invented sleazy politics, or tough talk, or corruption. There is nothing new under the sun. Our political elites have beaten each other to death with cains and dueled with pistols in the past.
Politicos have to walk a fine line of winding up the base to increase engagement/turnout and driving nutters to do this kind of thing.
In real life pols are usually friends and go to each other’s birthday parties and play golf together (or baseball).
All the anti Trump noise is histrionics to increase lib turnout in the midterms and 2020. They don’t really think he’s that big a threat. They’re probably mad he coopted half of their platform. In reality Schumer/Waters/Feinstein and Trump aren’t that different. Hell he donated to their campaigns a few years ago.
All this vilify the other propoganda is for winding up the proletariat while they all loot the treasury and get “public service” cushy jobs for life.
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…and that is why it is Ok to shoot them.
No one has even remotely said that in this thread
Whew!
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Yes, I agreed in part but also said the following:
But, no President deserves the kind of treatment and vile violent words that have been directed at him by the media, Hollywood and the far left
The left vilifies themselves. And Trump never did or said anything as disgusting as what came back at him and now the republican party. Certainly the Congressman who is in critical condition said nothing to deserve such treatment. The left whipped the fringe into a frenzy and the outcome was violence. Well…actually violence was the beginning when the far left rioted when Trump won.
Saying disgusting things like grabbing puxxy? That deserves violence in return. No, you don’t mean that.
And that gives the left reason to riot and loot? That gives celebrities carte blanche to hang Trump in effigy? To say you want to punch him in the face? To say you want to blow up the White House? To post a photo of someone holding a bloody severed head of the President? No way H. The left upped the game in a very big way and in the wrong direction.
There are no republicans who deserved to be shot down because of anything that they have said. That includes Donald Trump. And the left should quit stirring the pot and instigating these fringe types because we want things to get better not worse.