My gosh we need to stop pretending that the far left wasn’t out rioting, breaking windows and wearing black masks while doing it. For every one Ted Nugent there are 200 (or more) celebrities on the left calling for violence, or at least using violent talk. This whole “resistance” movement is not healthy and there is no equal to it on the right and there never was.
Yes, the shooter was crazy. But you must ask yourself what pushed him over the edge? How old of a person was he? I don’t know. But, if he looked to be at least 40 years old. How come he never tried to shoot anyone prior to those Congressmen playing ball? Constant talk of violence begets barely stable people slipping over the edge and doing crazy things like picking up a gun and acting out.
The heated rhetoric from the left is unhealthy and needs to stop. We all understand that Donald Trump is not most peoples first choice for President, certainly not mine. But, he is President and the left starting with Hillary, who joined “the resistance movement” (that alone is unprecedented) right on down to the violent talk from celebrities is not helping our country!
It should end here but like sunbeaches I am not hearing the outcry from many on the left regarding the shooting of our Congressman. I agree with Sunbeaches if this is not stopped very quickly there will be a lashing out from the far right which will no doubt be promoted by nuts like Alex Jones and others.
But, up to this point there is absolutely no comparison to the violence that the left has brought to us because Trump was elected President. I have lived a long time and have never seen such heated and violent talk directed at a sitting President.
Those on this thread claiming that the right is just as bad are either fooling themselves, or are taking these comments personally and feel a need to defend the left. I don’t believe that I have ever spoken with anyone on T Nation who would ever do such a thing so stop taking it personally guys. Take a step back…we should all condemn the wacky left and their violent rhetoric which absolutely lead to pushing this already unstable character to commit such a hideous crime.
Let’s hope it actually happens. This oppose everything one side does is horrible and it was that way with Obama and now Trump. Compromise became a dirty word, moderates needed to be ousted for those who were more pure.
zeb, don’t tell me you’re one of the 48.2% of internet folk who make up statistics on the spot.
To the contrary, the ‘resistance movement’ is a time-honored tradition in this country. I highly doubt you denounced it when, for example, the Tea Party organized resistance to the passing of Obamacare (but please correct me if I’m wrong on this score).
He has a significant history of violence, including (I am given to understand) striking someone with the butt of a shotgun.
‘Heated rhetoric’ does not respect party lines. It is bipartisan.
Who else would you like to hear from?
Then you must have lost your eyesight during the Obama years.
Wait the Tea party hosted large rallies with celebs talking about violence and blowing up the white house and the like? I didn’t know that. when and where was that?
But, look at what prompted McVeigh did you ever read his story? We can have a pretty good guess at what prompted this latest shooting. And we need to heed the warning signs and cut back on the hate filled rhetoric. I hope we can agree on that.
So this loser shoots up some people and that is completely representative of the left but Roof shoots up people and that has nothing to do with the right.
Ha ha…that was actually funny. You have a good wit and must keep your patience in stitches
As I said to H, the Tea Party never tore things up and rioted. They were a peaceful organization that stood for family values, lower taxes and the 2nd amendment. I wouldn’t compare them to the nut jobs on the left that riot.
Yes, but for some reason in all of his 40 plus years he never armed himself and hunted down republican Congressmen. That’s what I mean by being pushed, or prompted in this case…over the edge.
Yes, sometimes it is. But when Hollywood is out in full force talking about doing violence to the President in many forms…plays, cartoons, “jokes”…you have to admit it’s too much. And there is no comparison on the right to what the left is now doing. NONE.
Hollywood. Every single one of the scum who threatened the President. Just like Ted Nugent got a trip to the woodshed by the Secret Service when he threatened violence to the President.
Well, I will leave that up to your good judgment as you are the Ophthalmologist. And a darn good one I bet!
Dylan Roof was a white supremacist. Scalise was a volunteer in the Bernie Sanders campaign. Let’s be fair there is quite a difference.
The first person has no connection to a prominent republican candidate. But Bernie on the other hand did have one. You have to own that one H.
By the way speaking of Bernie and his followers I have never before seen such a body of odd looking characters in my life…at that level. But then when you look at who they are following I guess it’s par for the course…but I digress.
Let me ask you a question if I may. Do you think that the left needs to put out more hateful rhetoric? If not do you think that they have just enough hateful rhetoric?
I think both side need to knock off hateful rhetoric. Unlike you I don’t think it is a one side issue. I’m not someone who wanted far right or far left people in office. I never thought either side should get rid of moderates and that compromise should become a dirty word.
We are worse off for where our speech currently is. And our sitting President’s unhinged tweets don’t help. Or do you think that what Mr. Trump has said publicly about women and his political opponents is something that our children should mimic? You won’t find those type of examples in number from our most recent Presidents on both sides of the aisle.
A random guy carrying a sign <> a paid speaker getting cheered by massive crowds while talking about dreaming about murdering the president and his family. They aren’t remotely comparable. I am actually open to evidence of similarity with the tea party endorsing violence the way the left has under Trump, but I just haven’t seen it.
You tell me. You were one of the first people in this thread to try and turn it into a partisan contest.
You fully ignored this post which probably should have ended it.
“Yes, this is how to handle this tragedy. “Your political party is more violent than mine! What, you don’t agree? Than I’ll fight you for it!”. There are peaceful, kind conservatives, and peaceful, kind liberals. Just as there are wackos and loons that resort to violence that would claim both party as their own.
Politics are just something humans invited. Let’s not attach so much meaning to political affiliation that homicidal activities become a natural extrapolation of your voting habits.”
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I think both side need to knock off hateful rhetoric. Unlike you I don’t think it is a one side issue. I’m not someone who wanted far right or far left people in office. I never thought either side should get rid of moderates and that compromise should become a dirty word. [/quote]
saying that there was never any hateful rhetoric from the right. And I agree with you it is very wrong. But the point is the left now owns this hate filled rhetoric, from Hollywood, to main street. I mean a celebrity holding the bloody severed head of Donald Trump? Where does this crap end? I think we just found out the other day.
With all due resect H, you cannot compare Trump’s tweets with the hate filled rhetoric of the left. Trump has not called for violence in his tweets. He looks like an ass and hurts himself with his tweets, but that’s as far as it goes. And I really, really hate his tweets!
You are changing the topic from the lefts hate filled rhetoric pushing a fringe individual to commit a violent act to the bad behavior of Donald Trump. Two different things H. Trump is a blowhard, a bragger and a monumental exaggerator …and I will throw in womanizer and in some cases minor bully. But, none of that reaches the level that the left has achieved.
