Influenza vaccines are notorious for triggering anti-ganglioside antibodies that cause neurological disorders in susceptible people. In the other thread about swine flu, I said Google “1976 swine flu vaccine and Guillian-Barre syndrome”.
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Influenza vaccines are notorious for triggering anti-ganglioside antibodies that cause neurological disorders in susceptible people. In the other thread about swine flu, I said Google “1976 swine flu vaccine and Guillian-Barre syndrome”.[/quote]
Yes, I caught that. Interesting read.
Still, no-one knows how the virus will spread this time, it might not die out as quickly as it did in '76. I am very very sceptical about vaccination all the same, and that google search you mentioned makes me even more of a sceptic.
My mother has problems with her immune system, and have some sort of problem with her nevrological system as well. She is pretty torn up about whether or not to chance this vaccine. I believe they are saying on the news that people with reduced immune systems are in a higher risk group, but she is obviously afraid of getting sick from the vaccine.
I think I’ll encourage her not to take it.
[quote]adamhum wrote:
I’m not so worried about this strain, but historically H1N1 flu’s tend to mutate and turn into something way more deadly, kill a ton of people and then mutate into something not deadly and kinda vanish.[/quote]
No, actually H1N1 is not a very specific term, referring only to being a very common subtype of influenza A.
Why it is that the government-types got their panties in a wad about this particular flu being called “swine flu” and insisted everyone call it “H1N1” I can find no rational explanation for.
In fact, “swine flu” was much more specific, though also inadequate to be a complete specifier.
Most people that have had the flu, or at least most that have had it a few times, have already had an H1N1 flu.
Well high testosterone is supposed to suppress the immune system and lead to an increased risk of respiratory disease also, I have a young daughter and don’t want to increase her risk of getting it by increasing my risk of getting it. Also, flu vaccines are very, very well tested and statistically very safe. Also, I am way too busy to risk having to take time off work and missing workouts. Also, all of the leading experts on the subject in the world are recommending it and my company will give it to me free of charge, therefore I guess I will take my chances with the vaccine.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Well high testosterone is supposed to suppress the immune system and lead to an increased risk of respiratory disease also, I have a young daughter and don’t want to increase her risk of getting it by increasing my risk of getting it. Also, flu vaccines are very, very well tested and statistically very safe. Also, I am way too busy to risk having to take time off work and missing workouts. Also, all of the leading experts on the subject in the world are recommending it and my company will give it to me free of charge, therefore I guess I will take my chances with the vaccine.[/quote]
Becareful, when things start to be handed out for free, things might be always up and up.
Our county was vaccinating kids 6 months to 4 years for free today. The line was several blocks long. They could only vaccinate 1200-1400 kids. We had a baby die the other day after getting the Type A flu, not H1N1. Poor little guy…anyway, they airflighted him to Seattle, he died there, and now his folks can’t afford to transport his body back to Missoula. I guess that might be one reason people are lining up for a wait several hours long. Either that, or because it is free…
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
adamhum wrote:
I’m not so worried about this strain, but historically H1N1 flu’s tend to mutate and turn into something way more deadly, kill a ton of people and then mutate into something not deadly and kinda vanish.
No, actually H1N1 is not a very specific term, referring only to being a very common subtype of influenza A.
Why it is that the government-types got their panties in a wad about this particular flu being called “swine flu” and insisted everyone call it “H1N1” I can find no rational explanation for.
In fact, “swine flu” was much more specific, though also inadequate to be a complete specifier.
Most people that have had the flu, or at least most that have had it a few times, have already had an H1N1 flu.[/quote]
The logic was people are idiots and the government didn’t want to see the pork market suffer. I think its a fair assumption, I can normally count on the herd being mostly idiotic in nature.
I say yes.
[quote]Chrysalis wrote:
Our county was vaccinating kids 6 months to 4 years for free today. The line was several blocks long. They could only vaccinate 1200-1400 kids. We had a baby die the other day after getting the Type A flu, not H1N1. Poor little guy…anyway, they airflighted him to Seattle, he died there, and now his folks can’t afford to transport his body back to Missoula. I guess that might be one reason people are lining up for a wait several hours long. Either that, or because it is free…[/quote]
I hope the kid didn’t get the flu from someone else standing in line.
Has anyone else read World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie Apocalypse? There’s something similar in there. A company made a vaccine that at best did nothing, and at worst made the recipient more likely to get zombified, if I remember correctly.
Another point was brought up: as quickly as this went through the bureacracy, what do you think the chances are that it’s just a placebo anyway?
All that to say this: Even being military, I’d rather sign my paperwork than get this damned thing.
Just dont get a flu shot.
Would you rather A get the flu and likely recover quickly.
Or B live with Dystonia.
I choose A
Unfortunately for my career getting an annual flu shot (and now the swine flu vaccine) is a reality. Too many people dial 911 for any ache or pain and I get exposed to so many germs daily I have to have some prevention so I don’t transmit to my family (wife has a depressed immune systemm currently).
So I have my doses sitting in the fridge here at work and will be administering them to myself and my two kids that live with me when I get home on Sunday.
[quote]Mr.Purple wrote:
Rocky2 wrote:
If everyone else in your country gets it, you won’t need to 
Norwegians are huge sceptics by nature. I would be very surprised if even as many as 50% of the population takes the vaccine.[/quote]
True, I won’t get it, even though I’m “at risk” since I have asthma.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Unfortunately for my career getting an annual flu shot (and now the swine flu vaccine) is a reality. Too many people dial 911 for any ache or pain and I get exposed to so many germs daily I have to have some prevention so I don’t transmit to my family (wife has a depressed immune systemm currently).
So I have my doses sitting in the fridge here at work and will be administering them to myself and my two kids that live with me when I get home on Sunday.
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I work in a public library, mainly with teens and children. Turns out viruses can remain viable several hours on surfaces like books and computer keyboards. I get exposed to EVERYTHING. I very rarely get sick. It is kind of like my very own petri dish immune system innoculator!
I have never been much of a germ-phobe, figuring either I get it or I don’t. However, I HAVE taken to using a paper towel to open bathroom doors after working with the general public. It is absolutely AMAZING to me the number of people who don’t wash their hands after using the toilet, and then they go and open the door handle with those unwashed hands. Especially kids. Perhaps an adult can wipe without getting any excrement on their hands, but I raised a kid–I KNOW how dirty those hands get!! I watched our janitor wash the bathroom door handle once, and ewwww the grime that came off it.
Ok, back to work now…
edited to add a link to the clinic held yesterday to vaccinate kids. People waited in line for hours and hours, in the rain and cold.
I don’t mind taking a vaccine. I DO mind taking mercury, excess squalene and whatever else crap they put in it.
I believe in the 1970’s, more people died from the swine flu vaccine than from the flu itself.
Play the safe card, let some people go ahead and get the vaccine, and just watch and see what happens. See if they get sick, or have other problems. Don’t be the first to try something new.
[quote]yorik wrote:
I don’t mind taking a vaccine. I DO mind taking mercury, excess squalene and whatever else crap they put in it.[/quote]
The form of mercury in common vaccines is a) not bioaccumulative, meaning it washes out of your system and b) less than you get from eating tuna.
And the mercury in tuna is bioaccumulative.
And do you live in the same state as a coal-fired power station? Right now you’re breathing more mercury annually than regular vaccinations will give you in your lifetime.
I have been vaccinated. Vaccinations are about simple maths: I am more likely to die from a flu infection than to have an adverse reaction to the vaccination. Far, far more likely.
Plus, vaccinations prevent others I love and care about getting infected. Even if my immune system is buff, that doesn’t stop me from being a potential carrier to those whose immune system isn’t.
Finally, vaccination slows the rate of mutation by reducing the number of hosts. H1N1 caused an over-cautious reaction because it closely resembles the Spanish Flu, which killed 50 million people in months. It’s similar enough to spanish flu that it could mutate into something approximately as deadly. When you factor in the speed at which modern travel can spread a virus, the death toll would be astonishing if a dangerous variant emerges. The more people who get vaccinated, the less chance there is for the virus to mutate.
Again, it’s simple maths.
I won’t revisit this thread as I can already predict the usual roll call of misunderstandings, anecdotes, “but I’m OKs” and flat out conspiracy theories.