[quote]pat wrote:
. Born babies are totally dependent still on a host without it it dies.[/quote]
born babies are dependent for food and shelter they are not dependent for the mothers blood supply or the womb
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
The USA (and other countries as well) have changed the definition of innocent in regard to people to fit a policy decision. We have put a value on people we have defined as innocent. Is there a difference between an aborted fetus and a dead child called collateral damage? How many Pro-lifers cheered on Shock and Awe? Maybe Pro-lifers would be looked at differently if they were consistent. [/quote]
I live in rural Kansas and I can’t tell you the amount of staunch pro-lifers who have suggested the solution in Iraq and Afghanistan was “nuke those towel heads.”
How pro-life and Christian of you good sirs! [/quote]
Yup funny how those same folks are down with shoot to kill when some douche bag steals your car stereo, but somehow when sperm touches vag its a miracle… Welcome to America where the only life you cant take is a fetus
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Let’s see, Red Herring, incorrect information, and bad misinformation.
Welcome to America where the largest loss of life is that of a fetal human, to the tune of 1.2 million of year. How many douche bags who steal car stereos get shot a year? Just curious, but I am thinking that number is somewhat lower than 1.2 million.
Why are people so dumb that terms like ‘fetus’, ‘zygote’, etc. are all stages of human development and not the thing in itself? The fact that I am adult doesn’t negate the fact that that’s my stage of human development.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You are in over your head here.
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this is why I seriously discount you as a objective poster . You can not disagree with some one with out either getting all butt hurt or becoming offensive
[quote]H factor wrote:
Abortion rates are lower in countries with LESS restrictive abortion laws and abortion related deaths are lower as well. [/quote]
Can you please post? The US has zero restrictions on Abortions yet ours is really high. European countries, for instance France, has a rule you can not abort past 12 weeks unless it is a health risk to the mother. So can you please post the abortion rates and which countries you are speaking of?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
. Born babies are totally dependent still on a host without it it dies.[/quote]
born babies are dependent for food and shelter they are not dependent for the mothers blood supply or the womb
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So you think the mother’s blood actually circulates through the child in utero? LOL!!!
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
There’s no such thing. A sperm is not an autonomous living human being. It carries information, that’s all.[/quote]
A sperm is an autonomous living sperm
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Correct, not a human…
This might clear up some of your misconceptions from a source I know you cannot argue against. He’s a bioethicist
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4857703[/quote]
I will try and check it out tomorrow , I have got to go to work:)
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You are in over your head here.
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this is why I seriously discount you as a objective poster . You can not disagree with some one with out either getting all butt hurt or becoming offensive
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I stop bothering to try and be objective with you, or taking you serious when you started with personal attacks against me in threads I hadn’t even posted in, several times.
You assume I’m butthurt, but I’m not. Stop reading it in that tone. I’m at work when I post.
This is fun for me.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Abortion rates are lower in countries with LESS restrictive abortion laws and abortion related deaths are lower as well. [/quote]
Can you please post? The US has zero restrictions on Abortions
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So far as I know there is no country in the world with zero restriction on abortion.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
. Born babies are totally dependent still on a host without it it dies.[/quote]
born babies are dependent for food and shelter they are not dependent for the mothers blood supply or the womb
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So you think the mother’s blood actually circulates through the child in utero? LOL!!! [/quote]
No it was metaphorically spoken , I also know you can grow children in a test tube . But the child’s viability is at tied to the mothers in the most ( ) way
And yes 
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
. Born babies are totally dependent still on a host without it it dies.[/quote]
born babies are dependent for food and shelter they are not dependent for the mothers blood supply or the womb
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So you think the mother’s blood actually circulates through the child in utero? LOL!!! [/quote]
No it was metaphorically spoken , I also know you can grow children in a test tube . But the child’s viability is at tied to the mothers in the most ( ) way
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As it is post birth. It is a completely dependent creature.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You are in over your head here.
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this is why I seriously discount you as a objective poster . You can not disagree with some one with out either getting all butt hurt or becoming offensive
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I stop bothering to try and be objective with you, or taking you serious when you started with personal attacks against me in threads I hadn’t even posted in, several times.
You assume I’m butthurt, but I’m not. Stop reading it in that tone. I’m at work when I post.
This is fun for me. [/quote]
good , glad you don’t take your self as seriously as you act
[quote]pat wrote:
As it is post birth. It is a completely dependent creature.[/quote]
that is my point , it’s life as at the mother’s will . It totally taxes the mother .
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Abortion rates are lower in countries with LESS restrictive abortion laws and abortion related deaths are lower as well. [/quote]
Can you please post? The US has zero restrictions on Abortions yet ours is really high. European countries, for instance France, has a rule you can not abort past 12 weeks unless it is a health risk to the mother. So can you please post the abortion rates and which countries you are speaking of?
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Actually the U.S. abortion rate has fallen since the 80’s and hit an all time low (since Roe) in 2009.
Can pro lifers get on board with supporting I.U.D.'s hardcore and lower it even further?
EDIT: Was 2012 even lower? I gotta go to work soon so maybe.
I.U.D’s thats like retroactive abortion… Like the teriminator for sperms … No way bro sex is only for baby making
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Abortion rates are lower in countries with LESS restrictive abortion laws and abortion related deaths are lower as well. [/quote]
Can you please post? The US has zero restrictions on Abortions yet ours is really high. European countries, for instance France, has a rule you can not abort past 12 weeks unless it is a health risk to the mother. So can you please post the abortion rates and which countries you are speaking of?
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Actually the U.S. abortion rate has fallen since the 80’s and hit an all time low (since Roe) in 2009.
Can pro lifers get on board with supporting I.U.D.'s hardcore and lower it even further?
EDIT: Was 2012 even lower? I gotta go to work soon so maybe. [/quote]
I believe I read that polling shows a trend downward in the public’s approval of abortion overall. As in younger women aren’t as por-choice as the women in their 30’s+.
I can’t remember where I read that, otherwise would link, and too lazy to google, lol.
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Abortion rates are lower in countries with LESS restrictive abortion laws and abortion related deaths are lower as well. [/quote]
Can you please post? The US has zero restrictions on Abortions yet ours is really high. European countries, for instance France, has a rule you can not abort past 12 weeks unless it is a health risk to the mother. So can you please post the abortion rates and which countries you are speaking of?
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Actually the U.S. abortion rate has fallen since the 80’s and hit an all time low (since Roe) in 2009.
Can pro lifers get on board with supporting I.U.D.'s hardcore and lower it even further? [/quote]
I.U.D. sound like a great idea for anyone that is on the government dole.
The article requires me to sign up to read it, so not going to read it. I believe you though on your numbers. I am religiously opposed to abortion, but I understand why people do it. My wife and I while we were dating had one. I have said this many times, so not a news story.
I am 100% behind this country needs a cultural compass change. The morals of this country have gone down the crapper. I believe that only God can change this country, but I will fight until that day comes.
I am hard core fiscal conservative, but on the social side I am moderate. I would put myself more Libertarian than Republican. Now with that said, I do not believe the church should control the government, and I also believe the government should not control the church or the individual’s beliefs. If a Christian is a judge and wants to put up the 10 commandments in their court room they have every right to. If a Senator wants to pray before a meeting she can do that all she wants. The only thing I am against is the Government forcing people to do things that are against their religious beliefs. I am not Catholic, but the ACA requires Catholics who own businesses to buy insurance policies that pay for abortions. Catholics are 100% against any type of abortion.
The Religious Right gives more to charities than any other group. Maybe that is why they are against welfare, because they are already fighting poverty, homelessness, and hunger. They put their money where there mouths are.
Sorry for the tangent. Back to abortion.