So i dont like to speak to in depth on shit i dont know about. What i wipp say is this. There is plenty of studies on anabolics in general and how they effect your kidneys. A quick google search didnt return any headlines tieing winstrol to being the culprit.
If your talking about running winny at low dose a handful of times in your life to run faster i guarantee your kindneys are gonna be just fine
Woaaaah Iām not taking winstrol, I wouldnāt touch the stuff, I have no need for it
care to elaborate?
I have no goals that would require the use of stanozolol to achieve. When used in bodybuilding doses, stanozolol tends to be extremely harsh on the lipid profile, even 5mg/day will have. A deleterious effect (backed by literature) on HDL/LDL ratio, raising LDL by around 30% and decreasing HDL by around 30-50% (decreasing HDL-2 subfraction by up to 70% or even more), if this happens at 5ā6mg/day, imagine what the effect is on 25-50mg/day.
Therefore due to the harshness on the lipid profile I wouldnāt touch the stuff, however if youāre training for a marathon (tons of cardiovascular exercise), eat a healthy diet and take support supps Iād imagine the
potential damage could be mitigated
I believe its only fair when you scare people with medical literature to also explain how the values will return to normal as long as you arent running 12 week cycles 3 times a year.
I think itās just a given that obviously levels will return back to normal. But if you run stanozolol frequently or even intermittently (say once a year) youād be potentially looking at some long term issues.
Ya i guess im just a bit tired of seeing all the oral bashing. I use a few different forums but this forum in particular tends to talk about orals like a last resort and i personally disagree.
Just using winstrol as an example this time. We all knoe the possible negative sides because they are spouted out whenever winny is mentioned. Im wondering if its from people who have actually used it tho.
Personal experience i have very little to no sides but i do have amazing strength gains (much more noticeable than just testosterone alone), my endurance is thru the ceiling, my over all energy has increased, i have a daily sense of well being that testosterone alone didnt give me, it allows me to keep a pump almost round the clock (who doesnt love how a pump looks?), it has helped me shed some extra water while making my muscles hard as a rock (i thought before winny they couldnāt possibly get harder but i was wrong), and it allows me to do all of what i just said while in a caloric deficit.
Now im not saying everyone should go run some winny but if someoneās curious dont be put off by all the negativity people constantly throw out especially if its people who have never run a winny cycle and are copy and pasting google side effects
Edit; This isnt directed neccarily toward ls you unreal it was more of just a rant lol plz take no offense, i personally appreciate everything you bring to this forum!
Idk, winny is one of the ones Iāve vowed to myself Iāll never useā¦ ever. Same with Trenbolone, neverā¦ ever. Iāll probs try dbol one day in the far future tho
I understand. I have vowed to never use deca. We all have are reasons whatever they may be.
Whatās your dose of winstrol?
Iāve actually used that one beforeā¦ for a few weeks at like 90mg/wk, the endothelium in my heart died. Just kidding, I didnāt notice any sides. The reason I did stop tho was due to anxiety about cardiovascular complications the drug can cause.
@iron_yuppie 50mg/day split 25-am 25-pm. I debated running 75 but after a lot of research and speaking to people the little additional benefits didnt seem to outweigh the potential negatives. Granted this was pre-cycle. Now having experienced 50 i might be open to trying 75 in the future. Probably not tho. For what im looking for ( along with what anyone else unless you about to step on a stage) 50 seems to be a good dose. As im sure you know even much lower doses than 50 have been shown to work really well.
Edit: i will definitely incorporate it again in the future. My understanding is mast is very similar but not as harsh so im thinking of trying that next
Hoping it gives me the amazing feeling winny does then I would probably switch to that
Honestly what keeps me away from it is along with this forum and others the weekly thread titles of āHELP limp dick after deca cycleā or ā2 years after deca no erectionā
id rather deal with literally any other side than erectile dysfunction, wether its blood pressure, battling prolactin, gyno, E2, insomnia, sweats, agression, joints, liver values, you name and anything short of death i think id pick over the limp noodle.
Again tho this is my paranoia, i understand people run decca everyday and most have no issues, i could probably run it and be 100% fine. But im not and probably never will.
But at the same time i also dont tell everyone on a thread when i see deca in the cycle they are gonna get limp dick for the next 4 years lol i usually donāt say anything because the only thing i know about deca is what any other person with google and a few hours of free time and decent education knows.
Tha is for that answer. Iām on the fence about winstrol. I know intellectually that I donāt need it, but itās so attractive for a lot of reasons. Are you taking it orally or are you pinning?
I decided to take it orally only because i was told that pip is almost unavoidable with winstrol depot.
It was a difficult choice for me to make. I was heavily influenced by my buddies who have much more experience than me. I see on forums a lot that its only for people competing or (This is a big one) āif your above 10% body fat winstrol is a wasteā i swear the people regurgitating this shit must have never taken it. Yes im sure you can maximize the physique benefits if your body fat is >10% but my interest in it was not for the shrink wrap effect because i dont compete and never will. It was simply for all the other reasons i stated in earlier post that are great. If you do give it a run def keep us updated with what you think!