Then be SHOCKED. GW Bush has a higher IQ than Obama.
Uh-huh. And of course you have some documentation from a credible source with certified scores from valid intelligent tests (e.g. Stanford-Binet, WISC, Woodcock-Johnson) administered by a qualified test proctor for both presidents, right?
Yeah, I didn’t think so.
Obama totally has a higher IQ than Bush. In fact, Obama’s IQ is, like, sixteen-bajillion or something like that. True story.[/quote]
Where’s Nomi to say that it’s because of his white ancestors?
Come to think of it, my best two black students ever had white mothers! That’s interesting! The young man went to Stanford while the young lady went to Northwestern, btw.
So maybe the secret to being an intellectually successful black person in America is to have one white parent. As the LA Times then said, you could become a ‘Magic Negro’, you know, like Barack.
You’re every bit of a fundamentalist in your own right. And “purvey more hate and anger”? Ha! Your posts here are living, breathing proof of who the hate and anger purveyor is. How laughably hypocritical.
I take politics seriously, but I am far from a “fundamentalist” Democrat, if you’d like to call it that. I’m pro-gun and pro-death penalty… both very un-Democratic stances.
I don’t give a shit about your party affiliation; that’s not what I was referring to. You just spewed a whole bunch of hate and anger all over this thread and THAT’S what I was referring to.
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There’s a big difference between swearing on a message board and shooting a doctor in a church, or strapping a bomb to yourself and blowing up women and kids. I am talking politics like anyone else, certainly not advocating violence. Although I do believe that it’s probably natural to “hate” your opposition. Not the individual, but the party, the ideas, etc. You can say all you want about how great and decent conservatives are, but the fact is you’ve got as many assholes as we do.
I say what I mean about politics. Don’t presume to think that you know my character, or that I would wish death on anyone because of the shit I say is out of line with your happy little idea of how politics should work.
Reading comprehension. A fairly easy thing. Get with it.
I’m dead serious when I say that I don’t care. I don’t care about polygamy, or gay marriage, or swingers, or whatever. No sorcerer’s book tells me my morals- I make them myself, thanks.
I think it’s kind of cool.
I don’t know if this comes as a surprise to you, but your opinion about me personally means two flying fucks. These weak ass attempts to try and get me mad at a computer screen are kinda funny though. Keep shootin in the dark, maybe you’ll sink my battleship.
No stammering here. I’m pretty concise. Aside from that, I’m not the one arguing that the magic book tells me everything literally except for that one part.
Hey, you put yourself out there on the net with this shit and that’s what you get. I’m not saying it’s right or not, but the things that folks on here say/do is bound to come up.
I’m sorry amigo, you fucked this one up to. I’ve stated numerous times what my problems with her were over the past year. Once before in this thread as well. Maybe I’ll just copy and paste it over and over for you.
Says the man who hates science and thinks that the Earth is 6,000 years old? I’d rather lack integrity in the eyes of a lunatic than prescribe to fairy tales. My dogmas pale in comparison to the whacky ass shit that goes through your head.
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No, I don’t think so. I have said quite a few times that I think there’s very likely a God of some type. However, the weak minded pussies that blow themselves up over abortion clinics and World Trade Centers need a little bit of schooling about logic.
Say what you want, but I’m not the one grasping at straws to try and prove, against all the evidence humanity has gathered in its time here on Earth, that your Magic (Christian) Space God created the planet in six days, speaks through burning bushes, turns people into pillars of salt, and managed to fit all the animals of the world into a magic ark.
Fuck Push, go answer the door, I think Santa Claus just knocked up the tooth fairy and she’s looking for a manger.
You flail and therefore you fail again. You have to fire grapeshot because you’re such a poor marksman. Grow up, boy. I called you out on the other thread. Put up or shut up, pussy. Come see me and run your mouth like you do online. You’ll never show even with me offering to pay for your airline ticket because like I said, you’re just a babbling boy with a keyboard.
If you do buy you some balls on the black market make sure you show up at the Kalispell airport wearing your “Bruce Springsteen is My Hero” t-shirt and with your Hope and Change tampon in place.[/quote]
I know you can’t see it, but I’m rolling my eyes as hard as I can.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Palin s hated and vilified by the Democrats and their fellow travelers in the media. She is vilified for one reason. A majority of people would elect her over every single Democratic candidate, including Obama. Therefore she must be destroyed.
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You did see the last election, right?
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If she runs, and I think she will, she defeat the Democratic candidate in 2012. If for no other reason than the country will be in a middle of a depression by then, but will have money for national health care and the carbon tax. We’ll be paying other countries for their oil but making sure ours sits in the ground. Our allies will hate us and our enemies will mock us.
I’ve said before, the backlash against the Democratic politburo is building and it is going to be substantial.[/quote]
No she won’t.
And honestly, fiscally, she’d fuck this country even worse. I find it funny that conservatives are all about the woman who gave a rebate to all the citizens that came out of the oil industry.
Liberal women hate her because she puts the lie to their whole agenda. They cannot stand to see a pro life, at least seemingly happily married heterosexual women who is not impressed with their militant rage getting any media attention. Especially in the context of politics. What’s interesting is, similar lines explain why liberal men hate her too. ANYTHING, except a traditional marriage that doesn’t kill babies. All this talk about qualifications and inarticulate interviews, while having some merit is still a red herring.
They hate her because she’s not a liberal, plain and simple.
She’s hated so much especially by big city east and left coast liberals because she is the antithesis of who they are. Not because she is some ultra right wing radical. For example, surely she is not more conservative, i.e., than say Newt Gingrich. Newt, of course, has his share of haters but you don’t see the Irishs of the world having antipathy orgasms quite like they do with Palin.
It’s somewhat unique and uncanny and can only be explained by who she is and not what she stands for. She’s more akin to a “regular person” than anyone else even remotely connected to the national political scene.
I defend her because I think I know the “who”. She was born just a few miles down the road from where I live now. We both lived in Wasilla at the same time. I understand what “kind of people” she and her family are. I understand “them”. I AM “them”.[/quote]
While I don’t think Palin is the national answer for conservatives personally, one of the most interesting aspects to “who she is” is that her character and profile - a “regular” person from the Heartland (if a really cold section) who is not the product of any kind of political aristocracy or network - is exactly the kind of “person” Democrats swear they are in touch with and represent…
…yet, Palin arrives on the scene, and suddenly she is “white trash”, a “hillbilly”, and a “bumpkin” to liberals and Democrats.
Far from being the champion of the “common man”, the Democrats - I am generalizing, at least the urban ones - have done nothing but demonstrate themselves as nothing but savage, haughty snobs who hold such “commoners” in absolute disdain.
They don’t criticize her politics, which is fair game - they attack her personally on the basis of being “one of those people”.
The next time a true-blue Democrat claims to be a proud warrior on behalf of the “common man”, always remember that the modern party hates the “common man” and merely uses them as a proxy to a different political end.
I’m one of those big city east coast liberals (well, not entirely liberal, but certainly big city) and I’ll agree with Push that the antipathy is cultural. She’s LESS akin to a “regular person” than anyone else I’ve ever seen in politics. I’ve never known anyone remotely like her or her family. I don’t hate her personally, because I’m not that kind of person, and I think she and her kids have been put through far too much. But on a knee-jerk level, the place she comes from is profoundly alien to me.
The truth is that, in a similar way, I got the same kind of charge out of seeing Obama run for office – I am the same “kind of people” as him, and he lives not far from my home. I think Wired magazine, during the campaign, said he could be the “First Geek President,” and that resonated even if it sounds silly in retrospect and even though I knew then that I disagreed with quite a few of his policies. A young, cerebral, pragmatic guy who reminded me of the academic people I grew up with: I wanted to see “one of us” succeed in politics. Most of us do that, even though it’s not completely rational and not entirely wise. We want to see ourselves in the White House.
The thing about Palin is that she was too intensely local a politician for the national scene. She had too much going against her: first, her lack of time to prepare, and then, the pregnancy scandal. Now she’s been brought pretty low and I think her chances at 2012 are likely shot. What’s more, she’s really to the right of the Republican party. Her strategy was very small, committed grassroots groups, and then being noticed by a few prominent conservatives and picked up as a running mate. I think she’d be unlikely to win a Republican primary as a presidential candidate.
Edit: To Thunderbolt: It’s culture, not class. The Palins are richer than I am. My mom grew up poor in a small town, hated it, put herself through college, and got to New York City, where her coworkers called her the “token hillbilly.” And her story is a common one. You don’t have to be born rich to travel, and you don’t have to be born rich to be interested in ideas, and I was irritated with Palin for using her “middle-class” status to justify her points of ignorance.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
I’m one of those big city east coast liberals (well, not entirely liberal, but certainly big city) and I’ll agree with Push that the antipathy is cultural. She’s LESS akin to a “regular person” than anyone else I’ve ever seen in politics. I’ve never known anyone remotely like her or her family. I don’t hate her personally, because I’m not that kind of person, and I think she and her kids have been put through far too much. But on a knee-jerk level, the place she comes from is profoundly alien to me.
The truth is that, in a similar way, I got the same kind of charge out of seeing Obama run for office – I am the same “kind of people” as him, and he lives not far from my home. I think Wired magazine, during the campaign, said he could be the “First Geek President,” and that resonated even if it sounds silly in retrospect and even though I knew then that I disagreed with quite a few of his policies. A young, cerebral, pragmatic guy who reminded me of the academic people I grew up with: I wanted to see “one of us” succeed in politics. Most of us do that, even though it’s not completely rational and not entirely wise. We want to see ourselves in the White House.
The thing about Palin is that she was too intensely local a politician for the national scene. She had too much going against her: first, her lack of time to prepare, and then, the pregnancy scandal. Now she’s been brought pretty low and I think her chances at 2012 are likely shot. What’s more, she’s really to the right of the Republican party. Her strategy was very small, committed grassroots groups, and then being noticed by a few prominent conservatives and picked up as a running mate. I think she’d be unlikely to win a Republican primary as a presidential candidate.
Edit: To Thunderbolt: It’s culture, not class. The Palins are richer than I am. My mom grew up poor in a small town, hated it, put herself through college, and got to New York City, where her coworkers called her the “token hillbilly.” And her story is a common one. You don’t have to be born rich to travel, and you don’t have to be born rich to be interested in ideas, and I was irritated with Palin for using her “middle-class” status to justify her points of ignorance.
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Had to take this one out of the “darkness” of the quotes:
“Edit: To Thunderbolt: It’s culture, not class. The Palins are richer than I am. My mom grew up poor in a small town, hated it, put herself through college, and got to New York City, where her coworkers called her the “token hillbilly.” And her story is a common one. You don’t have to be born rich to travel, and you don’t have to be born rich to be interested in ideas, and I was irritated with Palin for using her “middle-class” status to justify her points of ignorance”.
Excellent points, as always, AlisaV! (Even though “The Guys” certainly don’t always agree!)
There is no question that Liberal women were on TV about to have STROKES when Palin came on the scene. There is no question that in many ways she was the anti-thesis of what many of them were…
But…
Many (including a Senator who had young kids herself) seemed more angry that she was campaigning on being a “real” mom with “real” values…(which in turn made them what, exactly?)
They also seemed irritated that the GOP felt that by having a woman on the ticket meant that Palin would somehow “lock up” the women’s vote.
Yes…there are many who didn’t like her because of her “folksy/I’m Like You” Schtick and her “values”. However, there were also many Liberal women who saw a lot of arrogance in Palin and her pick by McCain and the GOP.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
<<< Many (including a Senator who had young kids herself) seemed more angry that she was campaigning on being a “real” mom with “real” values…(which in turn made them what, exactly?)
They also seemed irritated that the GOP felt that by having a woman on the ticket meant that Palin would somehow “lock up” the women’s vote. >>>[/quote]
Both, points I made here within minutes of her announcement. Even going so far as to say that they would lose some women’s votes for that very reason.
I’m talking about the rabid personal attacks. She represents the long discredited time warped, brain dead religious types that they have fought so hard to defeat.
I know you can’t see it, but I’m rolling my eyes as hard as I can.
And that’s all you’ll ever do…roll your eyes with your fingers on your keyboard. No backbone…just a rather large oral cavity.
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Forgive me. You’re right. I’m just not tough enough to travel across the country to fight someone from the fucking internet.
Like I said before- you got nothin. Nothin else except begging for a fight from the internet. Where I come from Push, that’s called a pussy. Debate the politics or get the fuck out.
She’s hated so much especially by big city east and left coast liberals because she is the antithesis of who they are. Not because she is some ultra right wing radical. For example, surely she is not more conservative, i.e., than say Newt Gingrich. Newt, of course, has his share of haters but you don’t see the Irishs of the world having antipathy orgasms quite like they do with Palin.
It’s somewhat unique and uncanny and can only be explained by who she is and not what she stands for. She’s more akin to a “regular person” than anyone else even remotely connected to the national political scene.
I defend her because I think I know the “who”. She was born just a few miles down the road from where I live now. We both lived in Wasilla at the same time. I understand what “kind of people” she and her family are. I understand “them”. I AM “them”.
While I don’t think Palin is the national answer for conservatives personally, one of the most interesting aspects to “who she is” is that her character and profile - a “regular” person from the Heartland (if a really cold section) who is not the product of any kind of political aristocracy or network - is exactly the kind of “person” Democrats swear they are in touch with and represent…
…yet, Palin arrives on the scene, and suddenly she is “white trash”, a “hillbilly”, and a “bumpkin” to liberals and Democrats.
Far from being the champion of the “common man”, the Democrats - I am generalizing, at least the urban ones - have done nothing but demonstrate themselves as nothing but savage, haughty snobs who hold such “commoners” in absolute disdain.
They don’t criticize her politics, which is fair game - they attack her personally on the basis of being “one of those people”.
The next time a true-blue Democrat claims to be a proud warrior on behalf of the “common man”, always remember that the modern party hates the “common man” and merely uses them as a proxy to a different political end.[/quote]
As opposed to the Republicans, who truly represent “working class commoners.”
Except if you live in the city. Or are a minority. Or don’t agree with massive tax cuts for the rich. You know, cause no “common men” think like that.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
<<< Many (including a Senator who had young kids herself) seemed more angry that she was campaigning on being a “real” mom with “real” values…(which in turn made them what, exactly?)
They also seemed irritated that the GOP felt that by having a woman on the ticket meant that Palin would somehow “lock up” the women’s vote. >>>
Both, points I made here within minutes of her announcement. Even going so far as to say that they would lose some women’s votes for that very reason.
I’m talking about the rabid personal attacks. She represents the long discredited time warped, brain dead religious types that they have fought so hard to defeat.[/quote]
And I was as wrong as I’ve EVER been on that one!
I really thought that Palin would put McCain over-the-top…
(No need to remind me to never run for any public office!)
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
To the point made by Tiribulus:
There is no question that Liberal women were on TV about to have STROKES when Palin came on the scene. There is no question that in many ways she was the anti-thesis of what many of them were…
But…
Many (including a Senator who had young kids herself) seemed more angry that she was campaigning on being a “real” mom with “real” values…(which in turn made them what, exactly?)
They also seemed irritated that the GOP felt that by having a woman on the ticket meant that Palin would somehow “lock up” the women’s vote.
Yes…there are many who didn’t like her because of her “folksy/I’m Like You” Schtick and her “values”. However, there were also many Liberal women who saw a lot of arrogance in Palin and her pick by McCain and the GOP.
Mufasa[/quote]
The funny part is that there’s way more people in the urban centers that Republicans hate so much. Fake America outnumbers “Real America.” She was too polarizing for moderate women.
There were few that I talked to that liked Palin in NJ, even people from the less-than-suburban areas. Women, it seemed, were not fond of her at all, and for the exact reasons that you mentioned.
I know you can’t see it, but I’m rolling my eyes as hard as I can.
And that’s all you’ll ever do…roll your eyes with your fingers on your keyboard. No backbone…just a rather large oral cavity.
Forgive me. You’re right. I’m just not tough enough to travel across the country to fight someone from the fucking internet.
Like I said before- you got nothin. Nothin else except begging for a fight from the internet. Where I come from Push, that’s called a pussy. Debate the politics or get the fuck out.
There’d be no fight. Of that I’m confident. You’d be a humble little punk when standing in the presence of those you disagree with. That’s why I’m sure you pretty much type with one hand and jerk off with the other when you are spewing the vitriol here on TN.
You’re not debating politics. You’re flapping your jaws making fun of people’s children and families. You don’t have the intellectual wherewithal to do anything but.
FWIW, I’ve been here since 2002 and you are the only one I’ve ever challenged in this way. If you were some fly-by-night here and gone poster I would never consider it. But you have been here too long shitting on this website with completely inappropriate vulgarities. It’s adorable, endearing and even acceptable at times, like when talking about soccer in the U.S. or such but in this case it’s completely out of bounds.
You’re not even close to engaging in political discourse. What you’re doing isn’t “healthy debate” about the issues. You’re just being a teenage boy trying to talk like a big man. You’re no Jersey tough guy; you’re just another common internet punk who can avoid the physical consequences of shooting off his filthy mouth about women and children.
Come see me or “get the fuck out,” kid.[/quote]
Fuckin ridiculous. More babbling bullshit from the old man. Not even worth reading.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
<<< Many (including a Senator who had young kids herself) seemed more angry that she was campaigning on being a “real” mom with “real” values…(which in turn made them what, exactly?)
They also seemed irritated that the GOP felt that by having a woman on the ticket meant that Palin would somehow “lock up” the women’s vote. >>>
Both, points I made here within minutes of her announcement. Even going so far as to say that they would lose some women’s votes for that very reason.
I’m talking about the rabid personal attacks. She represents the long discredited time warped, brain dead religious types that they have fought so hard to defeat.
And I was as wrong as I’ve EVER been on that one!
I really thought that Palin would put McCain over-the-top…
(No need to remind me to never run for any public office!)
Mufasa
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You also expressed doubt about whether her daughter’s pregnancy would be used against her in the media to which I replied that was exactly what they were going to do and we’d be seeing it before dinner time =]
I couldn’t help myself buddy. I’m just giving you a hard time now. I had to avenge myself of that cruel and unusual punishment of being tricked into gazing upon the repulsive countenance of the senior senator from NY… twice.
