Sarah Palin Interview with Katie Couric

[quote]rainjack wrote:

Why? Opie has less experience in both of the economy and foreign policy. Would you give him the same advice?

You seem to be bending backwards to point out Palin’s shortcomings. If you think 143 days in the Senate gives Opie any sort of edge in experience over Palin, you are delusional.

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Oh stop. You make it seem like they pulled him out of a coal mine and put him up for president.

This amount of work in politics, the political field, and the eight years in the state legistlature with four years in the US senate is enough for me.

So stick it up your ass.

Obama’s 20 years of experience
By Angie Drobnic Holan
Published on Friday, March 7th, 2008 at 12:31 p.m.

SUMMARY: Though often described as an upstart or newcomer, Barack Obama has a solid resume in public service work �?? 20 years’ worth, in fact.

In a race where his opponent Sen. Hillary Clinton has touted “35 years of experience” over and over, Sen. Barack Obama has begun to cite his own experience of 20 years. At a debate in Cleveland, moderator Brian Williams asked Obama to respond to Clinton’s charges that he was heavy on oratory and light on action. Obama said:

“You know, she characterizes it typically as speeches, not solutions, or talk versus action. And as I said in the last debate, I’ve spent 20 years devoted to working on behalf of families who are having a tough time and they’re seeking out the American dream. That’s how I started my career in public service.”

The voters will decide if the gap between 20 and 35 years is significant, but we find Obama’s claim of two decades of experience to be accurate. We also find that just about all of his experience is in the field of public service, education or civil rights law.

For our examination, we looked at Obama’s official congressional biography, his professional resume and news articles chronicling his political rise in Illinois.

If Obama wins election and takes office in January 2009, he will have served four years in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois.

Before that, he was a state senator in Illinois for eight years. He was also a senior lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School during that time.

His schedule from the school shows him teaching two or three classes in the fall and winter terms �?? usually Constitutional Law III:

Equal Protection and Substantive Due Process; Voting Rights and the Democratic Process; and Current Issues in Racism and the Law. In the spring, he would attend the Illinois legislative sessions.

It seems a fairly safe bet that, like most legislators, his constituent work �?? fielding phone calls and helping people in his district �?? went on year-round.

Press reports indicate he would do a small amount of private law practice during the summer. So that’s eight years as a public official in Illinois, bringing our total to 12 years.

To get to 20 years of experience, we still need eight years from Obama’s career prior to holding public office. Obama graduated from Columbia University in 1983.

He worked for a year as a financial analyst; in his memoir he said he spent his days behind a computer terminal, “checking the Reuters machine that blinked bright emerald messages across the globe” and feeling like “a spy behind enemy lines.”

He gave up that job to go into community organizing, work he felt was more important politically. He worked three years as a community organizer in Chicago before going to Harvard Law School.

We won’t count the junior-level business experience as working “on behalf of families who are having a hard time,” but the community organizing work does seem to fit the bill. That brings his work experience to 15 years.

At Harvard, Obama began to receive national attention. He became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review and was recruited heavily by law firms around the country. (He met his future wife, Michelle Robinson, as a summer associate at the Chicago firm Sidley Austin.)

He graduated in 1991. He ran Illinois Project Vote, a voter registration drive, for much of 1992, and then accepted a position with the Chicago firm Miner, Barnhill & Galland.

The firm specialized in political and civil rights work and neighborhood economic development work. He also began teaching at the University of Chicago in 1993. He was elected to the Illinois state Senate in 1996 and took office in 1997, so his full-time work after law school comprises five years. That gets us to 20 years.

(During these years, Obama also worked on his career as an author. His memoir Dreams from my Father was published in 1994 and reprinted after his speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004.

A follow-up, The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream, was published in 2006. His personal financial disclosure statements show that those books earned him $1.8-million in 2005 and 2006, the majority of his income.)

The other part of Obama’s claim is that his experience is “on behalf of families who are having a tough time and are seeking out the American dream.” We take that to mean his experience is broadly in the field of public service, and that too is an accurate claim.

The bulk of Obama’s professional experience is either in elected office or working for a nonprofit, a university or a civil rights law firm.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
rainjack wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
It is obvious she is not a typical politician with a bullshit nonanswer to every question all ready to go.

Cmon, Zap. I usually respect what you say. It makes sense whether I agree with it or not. But not this time. Almost ALL her answers are bullshit nonanswers.

How is that different from ANY politician? I watched the interview, and at the very least she does not have a speech impediment like Opie does without a teleprompter, and is far more at ease in a far more hostile environment than Opie has ever been since he decided to run for President.

You are looking for substantive answers from Palin, but allow Opie the retard to stammer and stutter through every single scriptless situation he has been in.

Where are your critiques of Opie?

Why the double standard?

I think they are terrified of Palin, not because of what they perceive has her ineptitude, but because of her philosophic principles. The woman is an old-fashioned conservative and these values might light a fire with the American people. Her philosophy might just crush them, and they know it.

WRONG. I actually like many of her principles though I disagree with some of her social policies. But she needs to come back 20 years from now after she’s educated herself on the economy and foreing policy.

Why? Opie has less experience in both of the economy and foreign policy. Would you give him the same advice?

You seem to be bending backwards to point out Palin’s shortcomings. If you think 143 days in the Senate gives Opie any sort of edge in experience over Palin, you are delusional.

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And I’m not going out of my way to find Palin’s shortcomings. They exist and are blatantly obvious. And even those who support the McCain/Palin ticket as the best option should acknowledge them.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
rainjack wrote:

Why? Opie has less experience in both of the economy and foreign policy. Would you give him the same advice?

You seem to be bending backwards to point out Palin’s shortcomings. If you think 143 days in the Senate gives Opie any sort of edge in experience over Palin, you are delusional.

Oh stop. You make it seem like they pulled him out of a coal mine and put him up for president.

This amount of work in politics, the political field, and the eight years in the state legistlature with four years in the US senate is enough for me.

So stick it up your ass.

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Get your heads out of your asses, people! You have become so polarized that some of you are even defending this most pathetic interviewee. Might not realize it, but you’re up there with the zealots who suggest that Obama will bring real change.

Stop thinking in black and white! They got you feuding, while they’re comfortably sharing power and laughing at you.

Palin stunk during this interview, period. There’s no reason to sugarcoat it. She was awesome in the GOP convention, but here she sucked, plain and simple.

How flipping hard is that to admit?

[quote]lixy wrote:
Get your heads out of your asses, people! You have become so polarized that some of you are even defending this most pathetic interviewee. Might not realize it, but you’re up there with the zealots who suggest that Obama will bring real change.

Stop thinking in black and white! They got you feuding, while they’re comfortably sharing power and laughing at you.

Palin stunk during this interview, period. There’s no reason to sugarcoat it. She was awesome in the GOP convention, but here she sucked, plain and simple.

How flipping hard is that to admit?[/quote]

I agree lixy.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Get your heads out of your asses, people! You have become so polarized that some of you are even defending this most pathetic interviewee. Might not realize it, but you’re up there with the zealots who suggest that Obama will bring real change.

Stop thinking in black and white! They got you feuding, while they’re comfortably sharing power and laughing at you.

Palin stunk during this interview, period. There’s no reason to sugarcoat it. She was awesome in the GOP convention, but here she sucked, plain and simple.

How flipping hard is that to admit?[/quote]

And so what the fuck do you propose nutjob?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

And so what the fuck do you propose nutjob?[/quote]

That’s quite a non sequitur there Irish.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

And so what the fuck do you propose nutjob?

That’s quite a non sequitur there Irish.[/quote]

I just want to know what fucknut thinks we should be doing instead of debating about probably the most important election in years.

For every smart post Lixy makes, he makes fifteen that make you reach for a bottle of scotch and handgun. I want to see what he thinks.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

And so what the fuck do you propose nutjob?

That’s quite a non sequitur there Irish.

I just want to know what fucknut thinks we should be doing instead of debating about probably the most important election in years.

For every smart post Lixy makes, he makes fifteen that make you reach for a bottle of scotch and handgun. I want to see what he thinks.[/quote]

I don’t think that Lixy was trying to stop the debate here, but just is annoyed with the constant belittling of the media, on this forum, for asking questions that Sarah Palin could not answer.

There is absolutely no excuse for the level of ignorance on basic subjects that Mrs. Palin has displayed for a person of her merit. I myself believe that she was briefed well for these interviews, and she simply forgot what to say because of either not being able to handle the pressures or being simply stupid.

As for her speech at the RNC, she said absolutely nothing substantive (Examples why I’m wrong on this anyone?).

[quote]hokiehess wrote:

As for her speech at the RNC, she said absolutely nothing substantive (Examples why I’m wrong on this anyone?). [/quote]

No, in fact she made a bunch of shit up, the cunt, to get a round of applause.

“I stopped the bridge to nowhere.”

Yea cunt, once you figured out it was political suicide.

Flipfloppin motherfuckin’ pig.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
He does NOT have less foreign policy experience. I can’t have a conversation with you if you can’t at least admit that. I think you actually did in another thread.

Obama has met with numerous foreign leaders. Is on committees that focus on foreign policy. And has worked on bipartisian bills. Palin lives near Russia. [/quote]

I won’t admit he has foreign policy experience. That would be a lie. What experience do you think he has? Chairing a subcommittee that has never met? What?

Palin has negotiated the largest pipline contract in Alaska history with the Canadian government. To say she has no experience would be the lie.

Meeting with foreign leaders caunts as foreign policy experience? Show me his work on bi-partisan bills. 143 days and a seat on a committee is not experience.

But I will cede the point.

Are you willing to tell him to go learn for another 20 years? Seems to me, it would be a draw with Palin having more economic experience, and giving you whatever experience you think Opie has wrt foreign policy.

Actually, you would have to give the nod to Palin as the economy is the most important issue on the ballot. 46% say it is the most important. Only 15% say that foreign policy is the most important.

It’s okay to admit your bias. I’d much rather you do that, then posture as some middle of the road guy.

No need to watch the debate tonight. McCain declares victory.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/mccain-has-alre.html

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
hokiehess wrote:

As for her speech at the RNC, she said absolutely nothing substantive (Examples why I’m wrong on this anyone?).

No, in fact she made a bunch of shit up, the cunt, to get a round of applause.

“I stopped the bridge to nowhere.”

Yea cunt, once you figured out it was political suicide.

Flipfloppin motherfuckin’ pig.

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This is an example of how nice the ‘liberal’ media has been to her. Palin backed federal funding for the bridge to nowhere in 2006 until taking a huge amount of criticism.

She also also hired a Washington lobbying firm that helped secure $8 million in congressionally directed spending projects, known as earmarks, according to public spending records compiled by the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste and lobbying documents.

But the media has allowed her to paint herself as a crusader against pork and proclaim how she turned down offered funds for the bridge loudly and often. It’s done very little to push back.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
He does NOT have less foreign policy experience. I can’t have a conversation with you if you can’t at least admit that. I think you actually did in another thread.

Obama has met with numerous foreign leaders. Is on committees that focus on foreign policy. And has worked on bipartisian bills. Palin lives near Russia.

I won’t admit he has foreign policy experience. That would be a lie. What experience do you think he has? Chairing a subcommittee that has never met? What?

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Is that any more than W had, “Mr. I-couldn’t-name-five -foreign-leaders-if-they-were-tattooed-on-my-cock”?

What about JFK? How much did he have?

Bill Clinton?

Mitt Romney?

Anyone else that’s ever been a governor?

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
hokiehess wrote:

As for her speech at the RNC, she said absolutely nothing substantive (Examples why I’m wrong on this anyone?).

No, in fact she made a bunch of shit up, the cunt, to get a round of applause.

“I stopped the bridge to nowhere.”

Yea cunt, once you figured out it was political suicide.

Flipfloppin motherfuckin’ pig.

This is an example of how nice the ‘liberal’ media has been to her. Palin backed federal funding for the bridge to nowhere in 2006 until taking a huge amount of criticism.

She also also hired a Washington lobbying firm that helped secure $8 million in congressionally directed spending projects, known as earmarks, according to public spending records compiled by the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste and lobbying documents.

But the media has allowed her to paint herself as a crusader against pork and proclaim how she turned down offered funds for the bridge loudly and often. It’s done very little to push back.[/quote]

They should be bashing and berating her for being so blatantly full of shit.

This bitch isn’t even trying

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
He does NOT have less foreign policy experience. I can’t have a conversation with you if you can’t at least admit that. I think you actually did in another thread.

Obama has met with numerous foreign leaders. Is on committees that focus on foreign policy. And has worked on bipartisian bills. Palin lives near Russia.

I won’t admit he has foreign policy experience. That would be a lie. What experience do you think he has? Chairing a subcommittee that has never met? What?

Palin has negotiated the largest pipline contract in Alaska history with the Canadian government. To say she has no experience would be the lie.

Meeting with foreign leaders caunts as foreign policy experience? Show me his work on bi-partisan bills. 143 days and a seat on a committee is not experience.

But I will cede the point.

Are you willing to tell him to go learn for another 20 years? Seems to me, it would be a draw with Palin having more economic experience, and giving you whatever experience you think Opie has wrt foreign policy.

Actually, you would have to give the nod to Palin as the economy is the most important issue on the ballot. 46% say it is the most important. Only 15% say that foreign policy is the most important.

It’s okay to admit your bias. I’d much rather you do that, then posture as some middle of the road guy.

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I am a middle-of-the road guy. But I’ll admit this. I disagree with several of Palin’s social policies and find her ignorant and vacuous on many other important issues.

That probably does make me more disinclined to discount any arguable achievements of hers. I also think she’s full of shit and not the fiscally responsible crusader she would like people to think she is. Which was her main if not sole point of appeal with me.

Her negotiations regarding the pipeline are comforting. Marginally. But they only required minimal interaction with foreign governments. Mostly with company. Which, I’ll admit, is impressive in its own right.

But it’s far from a done deal. Representatives of Canada’s tribes are threatening to sue. Why? Because Palin has treated them with disrepect. All of the legal experts who have looked into the situation say the difficulties are substantial and the suit has merit.

And that Palin is sticking her head in the sand by refusing to deal with the tribes and negotiate the way she should and moving ahead with plans. That doesn’t inspire much confidence.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
He does NOT have less foreign policy experience. I can’t have a conversation with you if you can’t at least admit that. I think you actually did in another thread.

Obama has met with numerous foreign leaders. Is on committees that focus on foreign policy. And has worked on bipartisian bills. Palin lives near Russia.

I won’t admit he has foreign policy experience. That would be a lie. What experience do you think he has? Chairing a subcommittee that has never met? What?

Palin has negotiated the largest pipline contract in Alaska history with the Canadian government. To say she has no experience would be the lie.

Meeting with foreign leaders caunts as foreign policy experience? Show me his work on bi-partisan bills. 143 days and a seat on a committee is not experience.

But I will cede the point.

Are you willing to tell him to go learn for another 20 years? Seems to me, it would be a draw with Palin having more economic experience, and giving you whatever experience you think Opie has wrt foreign policy.

Actually, you would have to give the nod to Palin as the economy is the most important issue on the ballot. 46% say it is the most important. Only 15% say that foreign policy is the most important.

It’s okay to admit your bias. I’d much rather you do that, then posture as some middle of the road guy.

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Obama actually has met with foreign leaders. He sponsored the Nuclear Weapons Threat Reduction Act of 2007. He co-sponsored the “Lugar-Obama Act” with Republican Senator Richard Lugar who was Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations at the time.

This act was a bi-partisan effort to increase U.S. security in terms of the elimination of conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction. This legislation came out of Obama’s trip with Senator Richard Lugar to Russia, the Ukraine and Azerbaijan.

This after a TRIP to Russia. Not just living ‘in proximity’ to Russia. He has also sponsored legislation such as the “Democratic Republic of Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act” which was signed into law by President Bush on December 22, 2006.

Obama’s co-sponsored immigration related bills related to his service on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee including the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. I could keep going.

RJ, what economic experience of Palin’s are you refering to?

Who cares. The alternative to a Palin vice-presidency is an Obama Presidency. At this point, as long as she can spell her own name, I’m voting McCain.