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TBH my back is pretty well spotted with acne even when not on cycle. while on i get them around my jaw line bad but off nothing on the face. your right saps the Isotretinoin is pricey. i started a thread about it not to long ago to see who has tried it and got results, with the research chem not accutane. and got a couple good reviews. Im not the point right now that it almost worth the money to try it as its cheaper than really getting accutane and at my age i shouldnt have these anymore lol.

EDIT: and really if you think about it a low dose everyday you would get 4 months out of one bottle… thats like 37.50$ a month…

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Well that’s kinda the thing about the dose. I thought the recommendation was .5mg per kg but I read some more and they did seem to indicate even as little as 20mg ED would be OK. So yeah that’s just over a $1 a day really. My thing is now that I’m going to drop my test from 750 to 100mg a week the zits should vanish over the next month. Off cycle I don’t have much acne ever.

By all means for my next cycle it may be worth looking into running 40mg ED for the 2 months I’m on though. Food for thought.

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Pulled 600 for the first time ever last night. I got to the gym 45 minutes before they closed and had no focus at all. I’m almost surprised I did it because mentally I was not there.

BP update 129/82 so its easing down. At this point most of the tren is probably clear.

I’m basically done with this cycle from the high dose point of view. My last 375mg of TestE went in a few days ago. Tommorrow will be my first 50mg of my stasis for August.

Hopefully I can be where I’m at now, on Sept 1 as well. Just going to try to minimize the losses now. Gotta keep the protein over 300g a day I know. Never did crack open my brand new bottle of anastrozole. Thank goodness for being estrogen resistant I guess.

On a personal note I have a mini family reunion Sunday. Some relatives I have not seen in five years. Five years ago I had never touched AAS. Five years ago I was actually down in the 190-195 neighborhood I think.

I looked at some pictures from summer 2003 and I was very lean and not overly bulky. Be interesting to see my uncles and cousins reaction to see me at 240+. Funny thing is I’m even stronger than I look, not that I look scrawny at 240 but you know, the whole powerlifting thing.

Zits are still there. Hopefully now that I’m in stasis they start to vanish. I’m taking my kids swimming later today and when that shirt comes off I hope its not too bad. Most of them are small enough that you have to be within two feet of me to really see them. Still I guess even I’m somewhat concerned about my asethetic appearance.

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[quote]saps wrote:
Pulled 600 for the first time ever last night. I got to the gym 45 minutes before they closed and had no focus at all. I’m almost surprised I did it because mentally I was not there.

BP update 129/82 so its easing down. At this point most of the tren is probably clear.

I’m basically done with this cycle from the high dose point of view. My last 375mg of TestE went in a few days ago. Tommorrow will be my first 50mg of my stasis for August.

Hopefully I can be where I’m at now, on Sept 1 as well. Just going to try to minimize the losses now. Gotta keep the protein over 300g a day I know. Never did crack open my brand new bottle of anastrozole. Thank goodness for being estrogen resistant I guess.

On a personal note I have a mini family reunion Sunday. Some relatives I have not seen in five years. Five years ago I had never touched AAS. Five years ago I was actually down in the 190-195 neighborhood I think.

I looked at some pictures from summer 2003 and I was very lean and not overly bulky. Be interesting to see my uncles and cousins reaction to see me at 240+. Funny thing is I’m even stronger than I look, not that I look scrawny at 240 but you know, the whole powerlifting thing.

Zits are still there. Hopefully now that I’m in stasis they start to vanish. I’m taking my kids swimming later today and when that shirt comes off I hope its not too bad. Most of them are small enough that you have to be within two feet of me to really see them. Still I guess even I’m somewhat concerned about my asethetic appearance.[/quote]

I can imagine the murmurs amongst family family members now, saps. Oh well, one wild eyed look should keep them guessing!

I hope your bacne clears up quickly. That sun should help do the trick. This is week thirteen outside of my last cycle of test alone, and I’ve still got remnants – what a pain in the ass…well, back anyway.

As a side note, my back pumps only now cleared up when running. I even had them when I was down to 25mg/week. I tried your suggestion of taurine you mentioned to someone else. It unfortunately, wasn’t the magic pill I’d hoped for. Only after two weeks being completely off have they gone away.

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Saps, i dont get big zits really, but small red white heads on my arms…

I shower once a day, and i use a oil resistant spot cleaning solution… like ‘oxy something’… it has really helped actually.

Maybe try that, it just helps to keep the pores from being clogged as long, so they dont become infected and turn into the spot we all know and love!

Saps… can you write down a general before/after of your main lifts so we canm see your improvements in one place. It doesnt have to be the maxes if you have been concentrating on your dynamic stuff more, but just some final comparisons would be cool.

JJ

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To back up what JJ is saying, yeah, I used a Sea Breeze product (actually a facial scrub) on my face, shoulders, arms and back when things were getting pretty ugly there a couple of weeks back and, used twice a day, granted, it went a pretty long way toward clearing things up to a satisfactory degree. Buy the time my competition came around and I would be displaying my physique for everyone to see, I personally felt all right. Another thing to take in mind is that I used a pretty abrasive scrubber to really peel off that first layer of skin while using the aforementioned products.

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[quote] Brook wrote:
Saps, i dont get big zits really, but small red white heads on my arms…

I shower once a day, and i use a oil resistant spot cleaning solution… like ‘oxy something’… it has really helped actually.

Maybe try that, it just helps to keep the pores from being clogged as long, so they dont become infected and turn into the spot we all know and love!

Saps… can you write down a general before/after of your main lifts so we canm see your improvements in one place. It doesnt have to be the maxes if you have been concentrating on your dynamic stuff more, but just some final comparisons would be cool.

JJ[/quote]

I sure will. I will go thru my training log and compare the final week of July with the final week of May. I will post it later.

My bacne tends to be just red little bumps, they never whitehead or anything like that which is weird. I cannot really reach any of them but when my gf runs her fingers over them half the time I cannot even feel them. That might not make sense but let’s just say mine look worse than they feel.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
To back up what JJ is saying, yeah, I used a Sea Breeze product (actually a facial scrub) on my face, shoulders, arms and back when things were getting pretty ugly there a couple of weeks back and, used twice a day, granted, it went a pretty long way toward clearing things up to a satisfactory degree. Buy the time my competition came around and I would be displaying my physique for everyone to see, I personally felt all right. Another thing to take in mind is that I used a pretty abrasive scrubber to really peel off that first layer of skin while using the aforementioned products.[/quote]

I have thought about getting some Neutragena [sp?] stuff but then again maybe I won’t. Its certain cheaper than getting research chem accutane. But as aforementioned hopefully over the next weeks they clear up.

I over exposed my skin to the sun the other day, which was bad. The good was it did dry up a lot of my bacne.

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I am pretty sure you have the oxy-action/oxy-clean stuff in the US - its bright blue and marketed at teens for first dates etc…

I use it and it does help, in fact my spots have cleared up nicely (the majority of mine are like yours with a few small whiteys!)

JJ

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Christ Almightly I love ART. Got some done a few days ago. My pecs were thrashed. Rested a day afterwards and came back with a vengeance. Did the Reverse Band 2 board again that BPGorilla has me hooked on. 7/29 I did 585x1 and missed 600. Yesterday did 585x2 + a forced rep on the 3rd [in hindsight that 3rd rep attempt was stupid and zapped my strength for the next lift.

Then I went to 605 and had it, I know I had it but my spotter got nervous when the bar wasn’t moving too fast off the board and he touched it for a fraction of a second. I was pissed. So I rested 5-6 minutes and said this time don’t touch it until it looks like I’m pinned under the bar. Sadly for me this second time I could not get it.

So then I was extra pissed and peeled off the dimes and the last 45 for 495 and grinded out 12 + a 13th forced. I was amazed at how I could just keep going. I think where the ART makes a big difference for me is on the multi rep sets. Quite frankly I can do a 1RM without using every available fiber for better or for worse. But a set to failure basically will recruit those fibers that adhesions might be blocking.

Did 16 on the Precor/Icarian Cable row with 300lbs. Damn so I love that machine. It made me stop TBarring and DB Rowing for awhile. So heading into week #2 of stasis I’m stronger than where I was 2 weeks ago. Some is the ART to be sure but I sure hav not had the post Tren crash I expected to have.

Oh I also found a new machine to hit my calves with without putting pressure on my spine. It a leg press machine from like pure strength or something like that. Anyone it totally hammer my calves and I love it. Next time I’m down there I need to measure those babies because I swear they are hitting 20" fully pumped these days.

I know JJ and others are waiting on my comparison of pre and post cycle lift numbers. I will need to get my training log out for that and it will honestly take a while to do. I hope to get to it in a few days.

Only bad news seems to be the zits which were exclusive to my back are now on my shoulders and chest/stomach too. I got some neutrogena acne wash stuff and hopefully can keep them at bay.

More to come…

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[quote]saps wrote:
Christ Almightly I love ART. Got some done a few days ago. My pecs were thrashed. Rested a day afterwards and came back with a vengeance. Did the Reverse Band 2 board again that BPGorilla has me hooked on. 7/29 I did 585x1 and missed 600. Yesterday did 585x2 + a forced rep on the 3rd [in hindsight that 3rd rep attempt was stupid and zapped my strength for the next lift.

Then I went to 605 and had it, I know I had it but my spotter got nervous when the bar wasn’t moving too fast off the board and he touched it for a fraction of a second. I was pissed. So I rested 5-6 minutes and said this time don’t touch it until it looks like I’m pinned under the bar. Sadly for me this second time I could not get it.

So then I was extra pissed and peeled off the dimes and the last 45 for 495 and grinded out 12 + a 13th forced. I was amazed at how I could just keep going. I think where the ART makes a big difference for me is on the multi rep sets. Quite frankly I can do a 1RM without using every available fiber for better or for worse. But a set to failure basically will recruit those fibers that adhesions might be blocking.

Did 16 on the Precor/Icarian Cable row with 300lbs. Damn so I love that machine. It made me stop TBarring and DB Rowing for awhile. So heading into week #2 of stasis I’m stronger than where I was 2 weeks ago. Some is the ART to be sure but I sure hav not had the post Tren crash I expected to have.

Oh I also found a new machine to hit my calves with without putting pressure on my spine. It a leg press machine from like pure strength or something like that. Anyone it totally hammer my calves and I love it. Next time I’m down there I need to measure those babies because I swear they are hitting 20" fully pumped these days.

I know JJ and others are waiting on my comparison of pre and post cycle lift numbers. I will need to get my training log out for that and it will honestly take a while to do. I hope to get to it in a few days.

Only bad news seems to be the zits which were exclusive to my back are now on my shoulders and chest/stomach too. I got some neutrogena acne wash stuff and hopefully can keep them at bay.

More to come…[/quote]

You’re all that AND a bag of chips + the dip, and not the cheap stuff either! haha That’s great that you’re still going strong post-cycle. That’s what separates the true lifters from the fakes. Congratulations, really.

As for the zits, frequent treatment is the key, my friend. Every few hours, I wipe down my face with an acne pad and use differin gel as well as on my shoulders to keep them clean. It really works. I also take minocicline (sp), which seems to help my skin.

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Thanks BDE. Problem is my face has zero zits. Its my torso basically. And its not realistic for me to scrub my chest and back every few hours when I’m working 12 hours shifts at work. I’m four days into my neutrogena treatment and it seems like its working. Probably take 2 weeks to really see improvement though.

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OK so here it is. The comparison post.
I’ll even throw in some data from February when I re-started training after a mild break to rest the low back. Then I’ll show some stuff from May right before I geared up.

Lastly I will show what’s happened the past couple weeks. I suppose I could have done what they do at elitefts the whole time and just type out my training results. I suppose I could even do that now. No issue I have is the variation of my movements.

For instance if I could from 100x10 on DB Row to 100x16 you can see the direct progress. Its tougher to gauge the progress though from 100x10DB row to 255x8 on Tbar, you know?
Anyway, here it is:

[These won’t be the entire workout but rather elements which are suitable for comparison later on; usually I will only show the top set since that’s how we are judging my progress here]
2.17.08 - DB Rows 140x7
2.18.08 - 2 Board Press 325x5, 345x2, Pin Press #15 455x4
2.19.08 - Squat 315x2 [no joke that’s what my log says]
2.20.08 - Cable Rows 220x6
2.23.08 - Pin Press #15 505x2, Incline DB Press 90’s x5, Reverse Hyper 190x7

So I know the above looks rather pathetic, especially compared to where I am now. But again this is re-starting after a prolonged lay-off. You’ll see in this next section though that stuff comes back rather quickly. Its relatively easy to return to a point where the body has been before.

2.28.08 - DB Row 140x14
3.10.08 - Squats 415x2, Reverse Hyper 180x10
3.19.08 - 2 Board Press 385x1, DB Row 140x16
3.24.08 - Reverse Hyper 230x9 [Notice how I started hitting the Reverse hyper a lot towards the end of march and onward and watch what happened to my squat in the fews ahead; conincidence, I think not!]
4.3.08 - DB Row 140x20
4.9.08 - Pin Press #15 555x2
4.14.08 - Squat 505x1
4.16.08 - Reverse Band Press 455x1, 495x0Miss
4.21.08 - Squat 455x3, 405x7, Reverse Hyper 270x11
4.23.08 - Reverse Band Press 475x1
4.30.08 - Squat 550x1, Reverse Hyper 340x10
5.1.08 - Reverse Band Press 495x1, Pin Press #15 545x5
5.6.08 - DB Row 140+20lb chain x 18
5.8.08 - Squat 605x1, 495x5
5.9.08 - DB Row 140+35lb of chain x16, Cable Row 260x10
5.10.08 - Reverse Band Press 500x1
5.15.08 - Squat 625x1, 515x6
5.19.08 - 2 Board Press 410x1

So that’s about where I was pre-cycle. As you see I made huge apparent progress since February. However, that’s deceiving again because I was coming off a lay-off. By mid-April I was more or less where I should have been had I been training thru the winter.

Now here’s where I was at the end of the cycle/now:

6.12.08 - Squat 700x1
6.19.08 - 2 Board Press 445x1
6.20.08 - Squat 715x1, 745x1[probably high], 605x8
6.26.08 - 2 Board Press 435x2, 315x22, Pin Press #15 565x6
7.1.08 - Squat 725x2, 605x9

Early July is where I started to get some severe joint pain and I ended up take 2 separate 4 or 5 day mini lay offs in hopes of resting up.

7.10.08 - 2 Board Press 415x4, 445x1, 315x23, Incline DB Press 125’sx6
7.15.08 - Incline DB Press 125’sx9, 130’sx6
7.23.08 - 2 Board Press 405x5, Cable Row 300x13
7.24.08 - Deads from 3" 565x1
7.25.08 - Cable Rows 335x12, 360x9 [yes just 2 days after the last ones - I told you I fell in love with that machine]
7.27.08 - Dead 585x1
7.29.08 - Reverse Band 2 Board Press 585x1, Cable Rows 300x16
7.31.08 - Dead 600x1 :slight_smile:
8.5.08 - 2 Board Press 425x2
8.8.08 - Reverse Band 2 Board Press 585x2, 605x1[I really did have it], 495x12, Cable Row 300x16

So while that might not be complete because its not it does give you a decent idea where I was at the start of the lay-off, pre-cycle and post cycle. I seem to be maintaining rather well.

As much as I focused on Squats during June, I only squatted three times in July and never as an ME. I got too into that 20 rep non-sense; which on tren was stupid since I had no air for it.

Again the above is usually just what I did on certain ME days. It was not my entire workout for those days. Also the above does not showcase any of my DE work since really that’s tougher to gauge progress with. Hope that helps someone out.

Also I know June 1 was like 227lbs. I think I peaked at 245lbs during the cycle. Right now I’m about 240-241lbs. Don’t have bodyfat % numbers but I think I’m leaner now than June 1.

Steady as she goes. If I could actually maintain where I’m at right now thru Stasis and taper that would be remarkable. Realistically I should not and probably cannot but I will try.

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SAPS,

I’m glad to see all is going well with this cycle. I haven’t been following on it like I wanted to but after I read through it, it looks like you got some pretty awesome strength gains.

I have some trentonoin in cream form if you want it. PM me for details.

Also, I only have Test Cyp instead of Test E and I want to run the same stack as you did. Should I start the Tren E the same time you did or wait a bit longer for the Test Cyp to build up?

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GD
Good to hear from ya again. It makes little difference between Cyp and Enanthate really. Some people start Tren and test at the same time. I cannot truly say how much benefit or penalty I got by waiting the extra week before starting tren. All I know is once it kicked in it hit hard.

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BTW, boys pulled my groin Sunday. Hopefully its nothing that a few extra days rest cannot cure. I need to be sure I’m not overreaching. I’m trying so hard to maintain the gear gains. But I need to be aware that some regression might be very necessary. I was doing some high rep leg work for a change. Sets of 12+ apparently don’t agree with me as much as 1RM’s :wink:

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So today my knee is hurting super bad. Maybe its just from limping on the right side so much since my left groin is strained I don’t know. I should probably mention that my leg work from Sunday specifically was 4 sets of Squats 500x16,9,8,7. 40 total reps. I suppose 500x16 is a PR. I was reminded of this when I was at the t-cell’s PR thread and realized it probably was one.

Anyway, don’t be too surprised boys if you don’t see any more PR’s from me for awhile. If I truly do de-load as needed and if there is any regression of strength in my body I won’t be where I’m at now for quite some time.

I guess I just need to back off and recover a bit more

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Hey saps,

did you use a liquid caber during your cycle?

If so, what did you think of it?

And SQUAT 725x2!!! Wow dood that’s all I have to say, and to think I was somebody special repping 495 a few times. lol

Congrats on the progress and hope the recent minor injuries heal up no probs.

Gerdy

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DG
I did use liquid caber. I answered like four PM’s on this very subject today. I know there has been some chatter recently about liquid caber’s stability. IMO I need about four times the recommended dose to achieve the expected results. So whether this is underdosing from the manufacturer or the product decomposing I don’t know. I do know at four times nominal dosage the desired results are achieved. Take that for what its worth.

BTW, DG looking at your abs you are something special. I powerlift so that’s my focus. I got the numbers. You bodybuild, you definitely got the abs to prove it. Different castles in the same iron kingdom though

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[quote]saps wrote:
DG
I did use liquid caber. I answered like four PM’s on this very subject today. I know there has been some chatter recently about liquid caber’s stability. IMO I need about four times the recommended dose to achieve the expected results. So whether this is underdosing from the manufacturer or the product decomposing I don’t know. I do know at four times nominal dosage the desired results are achieved. Take that for what its worth.

BTW, DG looking at your abs you are something special. I powerlift so that’s my focus. I got the numbers. You bodybuild, you definitely got the abs to prove it. Different castles in the same iron kingdom though[/quote]

right on, well that answers my question regaurding liquid caber. I think if pills are to be found then that would be recommended, but if the liquid is the case then just up the dose. lol

thanks man I hope to make something of myself in bodybuilding, its definitely a passion that has consumed my life, but I don’t mind at all :wink: lol I like the different castles analogy, same iron, your guys is just quite a bit heavier than ours but we look better lifting ours. lol! jk

thanks for the feedback man, I appreciate it.

DG