[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
Salt was originally written for a male actor (Tom Cruise turned it down to film Knight and Day).
Hardly derivative of Kill Bill when KB was written specifically with Uma Thurman in mind.
For a truly badass female lead see Lisbeth Salander…
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Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?[/quote]
Yep.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
Salt was originally written for a male actor (Tom Cruise turned it down to film Knight and Day).
Hardly derivative of Kill Bill when KB was written specifically with Uma Thurman in mind.
For a truly badass female lead see Lisbeth Salander…
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Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?
Hell yes, well spotted.[/quote]
Really? She looks like an emo/goth who forgot to go vertical when it was time to slit her wrists.
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Unlike most goths she has good reason to be a moody bitch. Plus wicked tattooing skills…
Pam Grier in “Foxy Brown”
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Pam Grier in “Foxy Brown”[/quote]
As for PIONEERS, yeah, they helped pave a way for a movie like Aliens to even be made in the first place…but again what I mean is all out mega-money actions flicks that are made at the same level you would expect to see for a movie starring Tom Cruise as the lead.
This has rarely been done up to this point and low budget movies from 40 years ago don’t meet the mark.
Salt was written for a guy lead and they didn’t make the character super weak just because they changed it to a woman.
I think that may be a first this has been done. Most female action leads are written for women from the start.
This was why I was a fan of Tomb Raider…because the game was originally conceptualized to feature a guy as the lead character…but making it a woman caused it to be a mega-hit of the 90’s for video games.
Salt… Meeh. Not really my style for an action flick.
I think that actions movies that are supposed to be realistic SHOULD ACTUALLY BE REALISTIC (the Bourne movies). If they’re gonna be over the top wild then own it and don’t take themselves too seriously (the expendables)
Angelina is smokin hot and sexy as hell so that pretty much makes all her movies worth watching but could a woman her size pull off all the stuff she did in that movie in real life? Naah.
Again this is just my personal taste but I like my action movies to be realistic and believable if that’s what theyre going for (which it seemed like they were)
Jollie taking on the CIA and Secret Service? I don’t really think so.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Salt… Meeh. Not really my style for an action flick.
I think that actions movies that are supposed to be realistic SHOULD ACTUALLY BE REALISTIC (the Bourne movies). If they’re gonna be over the top wild then own it and don’t take themselves too seriously (the expendables)
Angelina is smokin hot and sexy as hell so that pretty much makes all her movies worth watching but could a woman her size pull off all the stuff she did in that movie in real life? Naah.
Again this is just my personal taste but I like my action movies to be realistic and believable if that’s what theyre going for (which it seemed like they were)
Jollie taking on the CIA and Secret Service? I don’t really think so.[/quote]
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But a forgetful CIA agent who takes on both the CIA and foreign governments while slipping in and out of borders with ease and never taking more than a minor scratch in the process makes perfect sense?
LOL
If Bourne is more “realistic” to you, your reality is way different than mine.
[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:
I could be biased though, I think that everything Jolie touches turns to gold.[/quote]
“Wanted” didn’t…
But I do agree she kicked ass in this movie.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Salt… Meeh. Not really my style for an action flick.
I think that actions movies that are supposed to be realistic SHOULD ACTUALLY BE REALISTIC (the Bourne movies). If they’re gonna be over the top wild then own it and don’t take themselves too seriously (the expendables)
Angelina is smokin hot and sexy as hell so that pretty much makes all her movies worth watching but could a woman her size pull off all the stuff she did in that movie in real life? Naah.
Again this is just my personal taste but I like my action movies to be realistic and believable if that’s what theyre going for (which it seemed like they were)
Jollie taking on the CIA and Secret Service? I don’t really think so.[/quote]
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But a forgetful CIA agent who takes on both the CIA and foreign governments while slipping in and out of borders with ease and never taking more than a minor scratch in the process makes perfect sense?
LOL
If Bourne is more “realistic” to you, your reality is way different than mine.[/quote]
Where did I say the Bourne movies “made perfect sense?”
So you don’t think that the bourne movies were more realistic than salt? Really?
Also Jason Bourne was shot more than once in the Bourne movies so I don’t know why you said he never got more than “minor scratches.”
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Salt… Meeh. Not really my style for an action flick.
I think that actions movies that are supposed to be realistic SHOULD ACTUALLY BE REALISTIC (the Bourne movies). If they’re gonna be over the top wild then own it and don’t take themselves too seriously (the expendables)
Angelina is smokin hot and sexy as hell so that pretty much makes all her movies worth watching but could a woman her size pull off all the stuff she did in that movie in real life? Naah.
Again this is just my personal taste but I like my action movies to be realistic and believable if that’s what theyre going for (which it seemed like they were)
Jollie taking on the CIA and Secret Service? I don’t really think so.[/quote]
?
But a forgetful CIA agent who takes on both the CIA and foreign governments while slipping in and out of borders with ease and never taking more than a minor scratch in the process makes perfect sense?
LOL
If Bourne is more “realistic” to you, your reality is way different than mine.[/quote]
Where did I say the Bourne movies “made perfect sense?”
So you don’t think that the bourne movies were more realistic than salt? Really?
Also Jason Bourne was shot more than once in the Bourne movies so I don’t know why you said he never got more than “minor scratches.”[/quote]
No, it is not more realistic. An amnesiac government agent working for the CIA who somehow turns over a new leaf and (ignoring all of the people he killed in his lifetime) wants a quiet life on the beach after destroying presidents, families, and random nameless victims yet after being targeted himself takes on the entire fucking government?
Dude, if anything they are almost exactly the same. You only think one is more realistic because one was a guy and historically, guys are the ones in these roles.
Tom Cruise is weak as shit and a tiny little fucker yet no one said a damn thing about him hanging off the side of a cliff in Mission Impossible.
Sexist.
I thought the mission impossible movies were lame too but what does the fact that the Salt role was originally written for Tom Cruise have to do with Angelina playing it and ME thinking that some of the things she dis in it weren’t very believable?
Actually I kinda liked the last MI movie but the others were lame.
I will admit that they are kinda similar (sleeper agents who were betrayed trying to exact revenge and get some answers) but Bourne is a more believable character than Salt IMO. If you think they’re exactly the same then that’s your opinion. Me on the other hand… I think Bourne is MORE realistic/believable than Salt (not that it’s completely believable… Just more believable)
She pulled it off. Hell I will admit to being somewhat sexist about action movies. If the chick is going to be the Superhero-Hero (taking out 5 guys, jumping off bridges) I need her to convince me with her acting or lack of a better word “Vibe/Swagger”. Jolie did it (up till the dressing up like a russian male soldier) That almost killed the effect becasue she just looked so freaking tiny.
Few Actresses can pull that off.
[quote]gregron wrote:
I thought the mission impossible movies were lame too but what does the fact that the Salt role was originally written for Tom Cruise have to do with Angelina playing it and ME thinking that some of the things she dis in it weren’t very believable?
Actually I kinda liked the last MI movie but the others were lame.
I will admit that they are kinda similar (sleeper agents who were betrayed trying to exact revenge and get some answers) but Bourne is a more believable character than Salt IMO. If you think they’re exactly the same then that’s your opinion. Me on the other hand… I think Bourne is MORE realistic/believable than Salt (not that it’s completely believable… Just more believable)[/quote]
You’ve already stated this as your opinion…but again, much of that is based on the sex of the character. Bourne should have died in the first movie. THAT just might be realistic. After three fucking movies and this dude STILL doesn’t have his whole memory back, I call bullshit.
Is Bourne a decent movie? Yes. Is it realistic? Hell no. He took on the entire fucking CIA and lived while being as close as right across the street from HQ. Yeah…ok.
[quote]four60 wrote:
She pulled it off. Hell I will admit to being somewhat sexist about action movies. If the chick is going to be the Superhero-Hero (taking out 5 guys, jumping off bridges) I need her to convince me with her acting or lack of a better word “Vibe/Swagger”. Jolie did it (up till the dressing up like a russian male soldier) That almost killed the effect becasue she just looked so freaking tiny.
Few Actresses can pull that off.[/quote]
I gotta say though that it was the best “female to male” makeup job that I have ever seen. Up close, you would know…but from 20 feet away, I bet you would just think it was a feminine acting guy.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I really enjoyed this movie.
When I watch an action film I like to live vicariously through the protagonist and pretend I’m delivering the beatings (if that makes sense). It’s much harder for me to do this with a female lead.
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Didn’t see this movie, but I am the same way with the vicarious living thing. Spent two days over Christmas vacation watching Spartacus: Blood and Sand and practically going into fits over all the devious, scheming, completely unjust Romans of both genders I wanted to kill.
EDIT: Shiiiit! Just typed out a long post and it erased before I could post it. Lame
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
I thought the mission impossible movies were lame too but what does the fact that the Salt role was originally written for Tom Cruise have to do with Angelina playing it and ME thinking that some of the things she dis in it weren’t very believable?
Actually I kinda liked the last MI movie but the others were lame.
I will admit that they are kinda similar (sleeper agents who were betrayed trying to exact revenge and get some answers) but Bourne is a more believable character than Salt IMO. If you think they’re exactly the same then that’s your opinion. Me on the other hand… I think Bourne is MORE realistic/believable than Salt (not that it’s completely believable… Just more believable)[/quote]
You’ve already stated this as your opinion…but again, much of that is based on the sex of the character. Bourne should have died in the first movie. THAT just might be realistic. After three fucking movies and this dude STILL doesn’t have his whole memory back, I call bullshit.
Is Bourne a decent movie? Yes. Is it realistic? Hell no. He took on the entire fucking CIA and lived while being as close as right across the street from HQ. Yeah…ok.[/quote]
Pretty sure the Bourne movies were all directly based on novels. But I read them back in the day, before the movies were made, and don’t remember if the books were more realistic.
[quote]BobParr wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
I thought the mission impossible movies were lame too but what does the fact that the Salt role was originally written for Tom Cruise have to do with Angelina playing it and ME thinking that some of the things she dis in it weren’t very believable?
Actually I kinda liked the last MI movie but the others were lame.
I will admit that they are kinda similar (sleeper agents who were betrayed trying to exact revenge and get some answers) but Bourne is a more believable character than Salt IMO. If you think they’re exactly the same then that’s your opinion. Me on the other hand… I think Bourne is MORE realistic/believable than Salt (not that it’s completely believable… Just more believable)[/quote]
You’ve already stated this as your opinion…but again, much of that is based on the sex of the character. Bourne should have died in the first movie. THAT just might be realistic. After three fucking movies and this dude STILL doesn’t have his whole memory back, I call bullshit.
Is Bourne a decent movie? Yes. Is it realistic? Hell no. He took on the entire fucking CIA and lived while being as close as right across the street from HQ. Yeah…ok.[/quote]
Pretty sure the Bourne movies were all directly based on novels. But I read them back in the day, before the movies were made, and don’t remember if the books were more realistic.
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Yeah, they were based on books. I am not hating on Bourne movies. I watched all of them, but by the second one, I was bored with the concept and his moves as far as fighting. It got old. He kept the franchise running due to star power in my opinion.
You also can’t use that character outside of his getting revenge on the guys who killed his girl.
Salt on the other hand has more ways you can go since she already killed the guys who killed her husband and her mission now would be to find the others plants in society before they become active.
For the most part I want some Fantasy in my Action Movies. Hell it lets me escape into the flick. I want the hero to take out more than one guy with a room full of Pots and Pans. I dig it when the Hero is not the Average Joe.
So Bourne even though it was made without all the special effects I like the idea that the Hero can Jump off of a building thru the window of another building across the street and still get up to kick azz realistic naaaaaaaaaaa cool yeahhhhhh.
You had movies like 300 that showed you can mix realistic hand to hand and special effects that the 2 can work. But most times it just falls flat. Street Fighter chun li for one just was not buying any of it
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
She pulled it off. Hell I will admit to being somewhat sexist about action movies. If the chick is going to be the Superhero-Hero (taking out 5 guys, jumping off bridges) I need her to convince me with her acting or lack of a better word “Vibe/Swagger”. Jolie did it (up till the dressing up like a russian male soldier) That almost killed the effect becasue she just looked so freaking tiny.
Few Actresses can pull that off.[/quote]
I gotta say though that it was the best “female to male” makeup job that I have ever seen. Up close, you would know…but from 20 feet away, I bet you would just think it was a feminine acting guy.[/quote]
you guys thought the disguise was good?
